FOX extends DBZ Live action Movie Domain Rights Another year

Bardock the Mexican · Post by **Bardock the Mexican** » Wed May 02, 2007 6:56 pm

I might be the only one who thinks this, but I can stand being in the minority on this subject. I don't want this to come even to the drawing board or even to the first shoot. It would never be done correctly or in a way that we all want to see it done. You guys conveniently forgot that Funi would have a big invisible hand in all the aspects of production and the source material...ay dios mio, don't get me started on this. From "I can see their parachutes, they're OK!" and practically everything else that was a issue in the dub that fans are still whining about. Yeah, and this movie will make them (those weirdos on Youtube who a while back said somthing about if Funi got ahold of the Mr Japan competion footage w/Goku narration thing*)all have a more "reasonable" soapbox on which to proclaim how much Funi sucks and declare Jihad on all Funi fans.

In hindsight the Spanish track will be excellent if and if a DVD sees a North and Latin American release.

*The thing that was brought up was the issue of Funi dubbing into the video the words "Other Demention" when the guy dies. People still living in the 1990s.

Remix · Post by **Remix** » Wed May 02, 2007 7:32 pm

I imagine a Dragonball Z film having a strange visual style much like 300, Sin City, and other visually unique films of the like. If something of the sort is used in a live-action DBZ film, I think audiences can suspend their disbelief in such things as Goku's hair or the impossible physics of Dragonball Z in general.

Hell, look at Kung Fu Hustle.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed May 02, 2007 11:32 pm

Bardock the Mexican wrote:I might be the only one who thinks this, but I can stand being in the minority on this subject. I don't want this to come even to the drawing board or even to the first shoot. It would never be done correctly or in a way that we all want to see it done. You guys conveniently forgot that Funi would have a big invisible hand in all the aspects of production and the source material...ay dios mio, don't get me started on this. From "I can see their parachutes, they're OK!" and practically everything else that was a issue in the dub that fans are still whining about. Yeah, and this movie will make them (those weirdos on Youtube who a while back said somthing about if Funi got ahold of the Mr Japan competion footage w/Goku narration thing*)all have a more "reasonable" soapbox on which to proclaim how much Funi sucks and declare Jihad on all Funi fans.

In hindsight the Spanish track will be excellent if and if a DVD sees a North and Latin American release.

*The thing that was brought up was the issue of Funi dubbing into the video the words "Other Demention" when the guy dies. People still living in the 1990s.

Wow, pesimistic much...? Also, on a side-note. The parachutes and Other/Next Dimension were not FUNi, they were Saban forcing syndication standards. Also note that FUNi would not be involved in a live action movie. Why? Because they own the anime rights only. Just like Viz only owns the manga rights. Fox are sole holders of the movie rights.

Hell, look at Kung Fu Hustle.

Look at 90% of asian kung-fu movies. They're almost all over the top. While none of them have green aliens, giant monkeys, or energy blasts some of them put DB/Z to shame with the combat sequences.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed May 02, 2007 11:53 pm

Remix wrote:Sin City

Heh, Sin City, that was even more green-screen relied than Star Wars Episode III, and that's saying something! Seriously, movies rely wayyy too much on CGI these days, it's kinda disappointing seeing obvious incidents in the recent Harry Potter and Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Is it really that hard for someone to spend cash on building real sets, shooting on real locations, rather than smacking a green or blue screen on back of someone saying "Pretend that's there, this'll here, we'll computer generate it all later!" It's movies like The Goonies, Water World, and so many other visually impressive features that make me nearly hate the overly use of CG these days. I mean good Lord, it's even concurred the animation domain, when's the last time we had a nationwide theatrical release of a 2D (digitally 2D or not) animated movie? Anyone? It's like all these repetitive, redundant 3D/CG animated movies that are basically cheap copies of one another that's put an end to the classic art of 2D animation we'd find in great hits like Aladdin, Lion King, Prince of Egypt, Hunchback of Notre Dam, among many other classics. it's just really sad how much CGI's taken over the media of movies.

If a DBZ "live-action" movie ever were to come about, I could accept some story element changes because that's natural in such adapting, but please don't 99% green-screen the damn thing. Shoot on real Asian mountain locations for places like Goku's home, a real island for Goku and Kuririn's training, a real tournament setting for the Budokai events, among other things that really don't need to be computer generated to achieve sufficient results. If anything, the only completely CG things should be fast paced fighting, flying, and big battle arena events like Piccolo Daimao/Kid Goku post East City destruction, Goku/Jr. post-Budokai arena destruction, Goku/Vegeta in the mountains, and that's just for that entire first portion of the series. I mean budget shows like Power Rangers, Charmed, Angel, and sometimes Smallville (when it's not relying too much on CG) can really pull off some good stuff with just regular sets. It's a testament to days from 12-15 years ago where CG was so much less used.

Here's a tip, Hollywood, as awesome as some movies like the Spiderman series and Superman Returns are with such extreme CG that they use, other areas like DBZ really don't need it outside big battles, flight sequences, and probably unique air-crafts. Don't Sin City the poor franchise if you ever bring it over to live-action format, what makes DragonBall cool is its timeless appealing look, not the 2007-ish special effects that you probably think would make a perfect sky or city environment for every single frame of the movie. Be gentle and loving to DragonBall, don't mutilate it if you're ever given such a precious chance to bring it over to such a popular mainstream entertainment.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu May 03, 2007 8:48 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:Heh, Sin City, that was even more green-screen relied than Star Wars Episode III, and that's saying something! Seriously, movies rely wayyy too much on CGI these days, it's kinda disappointing seeing obvious incidents in the recent Harry Potter and Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Is it really that hard for someone to spend cash on building real sets, shooting on real locations, rather than smacking a green or blue screen on back of someone saying "Pretend that's there, this'll here, we'll computer generate it all later!" It's movies like The Goonies, Water World, and so many other visually impressive features that make me nearly hate the overly use of CG these days. I mean good Lord, it's even concurred the animation domain, when's the last time we had a nationwide theatrical release of a 2D (digitally 2D or not) animated movie? Anyone? It's like all these repetitive, redundant 3D/CG animated movies that are basically cheap copies of one another that's put an end to the classic art of 2D animation we'd find in great hits like Aladdin, Lion King, Prince of Egypt, Hunchback of Notre Dame, among many other classics. it's just really sad how much CGI's taken over the media of movies.

Sing it, brutha!

gohan2k · Post by **gohan2k** » Thu May 03, 2007 8:55 am

Well there will be a 2D animated movie released shortly - The Simpsons Movie but the main reason they stopped releasing those was because people stopped going to see them. Movies like Sinbad, Treasure Planet, Titan A.E and even Disney's Home on the Range failed at the box office.

Now I'm not saying they all failed just because they were in 2D but that seems to be what the movie execs believed. Last year was the first year where movies that were released in 3D animation actually started not necessarily succeding as opposed to previously where if you released

Suprisingly building sets can now be more expensive than just using CGI, the sets don't have to be built and then taken down afterwards.

But otherwise I totally agree with what you said and definitely if they can find real life locations to shoot the movie then it's all the better.

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Thu May 03, 2007 9:04 am

Sin City was based on a graphic novel, hence the reason to use entirely-CG backgrounds. It was to give it the feel of the book. There's a big difference between using CG in that matter and using it all over the place like in some movies which aren't based on comics or graphic novels. Though, I don't agree with using CG to recreate things that are actually real. (Why do some action movies use CG cars? I find it hard to believe people would prefer seeing that over real-life stunts.)

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Thu May 03, 2007 6:41 pm

I am so out of my league... but that won't stop me from, uh, ... rambling?

How much did Goku care about his heritage? In battle when it was brought up by the other Saiyans, he made defiant comments... that's pretty much all that I recall, but I could have missed something. "So, you're a member of a race that is basically the opposite of what you stand for." "... So? It's not like that makes me suddenly the opposite of myself...".

... I suddenly think a Goku Character podcast would be interesting...

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~~~ Over using CGI=bad... although if we see the whole afterlife/serpent road/Hell stuff, I'd imagine there'd be some CG going on there... but in general? Not necessary. (And woe to he that decides that EL=FI should such shirts be worn on the screen! Though I'd imagine any appearances of Hell stuff would be without the label entirely so as to avoid having to deal with that decision.).

We can agree that there are two "goals" to look at: The goals of the project as a whole (Make the production company money, and increase the economic success of the franchize), and those of the story... which is where we are free to speculate and be pecimistic. With some of the points that we've made here, those who disagree with one another included... I can imagine that we could eventually get a good answer to that, and then worry about whether or not any such story goals can be achieved.

... Oh wait... Let me start over. . . .

Umm... what themes would be involved, and can they be achieved in a cenamatic format without sekumbing(sp?) to the flaws everyone has pointed out?

... you ever have one of those days where you have something to say, but can't really figure out what it is, but try to say it anyway, and hate everything that you write, but post it anyway? ... no? Umm... Ok.

Remix · Post by **Remix** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:09 pm

Xyex wrote:Look at 90% of asian kung-fu movies. They're almost all over the top. While none of them have green aliens, giant monkeys, or energy blasts some of them put DB/Z to shame with the combat sequences.

And 90% of the said percentage are absolute shit.

I think we need to see a screen test of a DBZ movie.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:35 pm

Power Rangers didn't use CG for fights, but it was never good, either...

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:52 pm

mAcChaos wrote:Power Rangers didn't use CG for fights, but it was never good, either...

Says you.

SSJmole · Post by **SSJmole** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:53 pm

mAcChaos wrote:Power Rangers didn't use CG for fights, but it was never good, either...

Who's point are you making?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:58 pm

Remix wrote:
Xyex wrote:Look at 90% of asian kung-fu movies. They're almost all over the top. While none of them have green aliens, giant monkeys, or energy blasts some of them put DB/Z to shame with the combat sequences.
And 90% of the said percentage are absolute shit.

I think we need to see a screen test of a DBZ movie.

Well that's certainly a matter of opinion.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Thu May 03, 2007 8:01 pm

Bruice Lee Vs. Chuck Noris.

'nuff said.

I've convinced myself that the difficulty won't be in anything visual in this case.

Would we want such a movie to stick with the themes of the story? Which ones? How? (In that case... we'd have to identify themes of the story that are translatable... I'm confusing myself.)

gohan2k · Post by **gohan2k** » Sat May 05, 2007 4:31 am

I just had a thought, say the live action movie was made and it was a success and there were sequels. How would you feel if, in the final movie with the fight against Buu, that Gohan defeated Buu instead of Goku?

Would you just be annoyed they changed the original ending or consider it a good change depending on how it was handled?

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sat May 05, 2007 7:10 am

I'd imagine it'd go over like the Buu saga did in Japan: a few of us would like it, but a lot of people would complain. Unless of course the movies build Goku and Goha's characters differently.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sat May 05, 2007 11:04 am

SSJmole wrote:
mAcChaos wrote:Power Rangers didn't use CG for fights, but it was never good, either...

Who's point are you making?

It's hard to have a good DBZ style fight without CG.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat May 05, 2007 11:06 am

I say that for as many times at as many points the Buu saga was supposed to end, I like the way it ended, and I wouldn't have it any other way, especially in movie form. Goku and Vegeta fighting together, good Buu helping, the people of Earth saving themselves for once by fueling the Spirit Bomb... it's brilliant, and very climactic. Can you imagine how breathtaking the energizing and forming of the Super Spirit Bomb would look and feel with live-action and excellent CGI?! @_@

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Sat May 05, 2007 6:23 pm

caejones wrote: Unless of course the movies build Goku and Gohan's characters differently.

Yeah, that could happen. I think somebody mention earlier how the movie Spiderman is different from the comic book one. It could be the same way with this, the story is a little different, but maybe not so much where it would be horrible. How would you guys have the story be in the movie if it were altered? And who would you want to direct it?
BTW, everyone should go see Spiderman 3, because it is made of pure awesome-ness, I don't want to give much away, but the fighting is much better than before, and Venom is amazing, now I see why Venom was never shown in the trailers.

Maker777 · Post by **Maker777** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:05 am

My opinion is that the guys employed by Square-Enix to do Advent Children should make the film totally CG. It's just my opinion but I think that would be f***in' sweet.