Least favorite characters

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) Goku Black.

2) Vegeta.

[precita]

What's wrong with Goku Black? Seemed to be loved to me.

Gotenks, Goten, and Kid Trunks- They annoy me a lot. I didn't like how OP they were, and I felt that they just wasted my time.

Trunks and Goten in the Buu arc were about the younger generation becoming the new heroes. They've been handled badly in Super though.

[Akyon]

In Z, I absolutely loathed Vegeta after the Saiyan saga. The so called rival to the hero who selfishly endangered the Earth, banged on about his own overinflated ego and pride and flip flopped between being an ally and a villain to the point I wished Piccolo just wasted his indecisive ass in the Android arc as soon as he obtained the Kami powerup. Good god man took you forever to pick a side. Didn't help his fans were the most annoying at the time.

These days I dislike Vegeta a lot less, partially because Naruto proved he could of been developed a hell of a lot worse(Sasuke is everything I hate in Vegeta ramped up to 11) and partly because Super has somehow managed to make Vegeta, the mass murdering alien MORE human than the main hero who seems to become more and more unrelatable as time goes on.

My list is probably something like this:

1. Broly
2. Gotenks

and then all the following are interchangable for placement:

- Kid Trunks(Super seems to be redeeming him a bit.)
- Goku(Super specifically)
- Chi-Chi(Z and Super specifically; quite liked Dragonball Chi-Chi before she went all Mama Bear)
- Bardock(stop ruining the story by making out Bardock was the legendary chosen one. Makes Goku's journey less impressive by making him even MORE genetically superior)
- Vegeta(Z specifically)
- Goten(do something with him for chrissakes)
- Buu
- Supreme Kai(irritated me no end in Z, Super has made him more tolerable by showing him far more hands on in the alternative timeline)

...actually my dislike of the Buu saga makes a lot more sense suddenly.

[precita]

All these people complaining about Vegeta. Its almost as if some of you think Vegeta should have become "magically good" the moment he came back to life after Freeza killed him. You're talking about a guy who essentially wanted to rule the universe and live only for himself, of course he is still going to be that way into the Cell arc. Vegeta's gradual development would make no sense if Cell-era Vegeta didn't exist.

Kaioshin also being inexperienced about Buu made sense in the context of the saga.

[Akyon]

Piccolo and Android 18 both transitioned to being less of an asshole in a third of the time it took Vegeta. One wanted to rule the planet, one destroyed it in alternative timeline. Vegeta still couldn't put his pride aside once Frieza was dead, he had gotten together with a wealthy woman who kept him in the manner he'd no doubt been accostomed to as a prince and he obtained his coveted Super Saiyan form. Nope, still a dick.
Doesn't help that he seemed to stop being a jerk at the end of the Cell Saga(when he apologised to Gohan) and the Frieza saga(when he was dying) and then we come back to the following arc and he's right back to being an earth endangering douchebag again.

Kaioshin's inexperience wasn't what annoyed me; it was his lack of conviction to get involved in a conflict he himself caused. Also the news that he at any point could have got off his ass and stopped Frieza from genociding millions but didn't bother doesn't exactly endear him.

[precita]

Piccolo and Android 18 both transitioned to being less of an asshole in a third of the time it took Vegeta. One wanted to rule the planet, one destroyed it in alternative timeline. Vegeta still couldn't put his pride aside once Frieza was dead, he had gotten together with a wealthy woman who kept him in the manner he'd no doubt been accostomed to as a prince and he obtained his coveted Super Saiyan form. Nope, still a dick.
Doesn't help that he seemed to stop being a jerk at the end of the Cell Saga(when he apologised to Gohan) and the Frieza saga(when he was dying) and then we come back to the following arc and he's right back to being an earth endangering douchebag again.

Piccolo had a whole year to bond with Gohan. 18 never cared about world domination in the present timeline. Vegeta in the Buu arc had no plans of being evil at all, and Majin Vegeta was short-lived to the point where he went and sacrificed himself to stop Buu anyway.

Also the news that he at any point could have got off his ass and stopped Frieza from genociding millions but didn't bother doesn't exactly endear him.

Its not Supeme Kai's job to stop Freeza from taking over a Galaxy. He's not supposed to step into mortal affairs, the only reason he did it with Buu is because he was a danger to the entire universe and killed all the other Supreme Kai's.

Its the same reason Beerus never stopped Freeza when he knew about him, they're not the "universe police."

[Freeza9000]

Its not Supeme Kai's job to stop Freeza from taking over a Galaxy. He's not supposed to step into mortal affairs, the only reason he did it with Buu is because he was a danger to the entire universe and killed all the other Supreme Kai's.

But he should've stopped Freeza. Seriously, Freeza had all this potential that he achieved even in 4 months and yet they didn't attempt to stop him. There's a chance Freeza might go rogue considering Freeza's power hungry and egotistical nature.

[kinisking]

All these people complaining about Vegeta. Its almost as if some of you think Vegeta should have become "magically good" the moment he came back to life after Freeza killed him. You're talking about a guy who essentially wanted to rule the universe and live only for himself, of course he is still going to be that way into the Cell arc. Vegeta's gradual development would make no sense if Cell-era Vegeta didn't exist.

Kaioshin also being inexperienced about Buu made sense in the context of the saga.

You don't have to be good to be likeable. Namek Saga vegeta was likeable but Cell saga Vegeta got really annoying.

[DBZAOTA482]

Piccolo and Android 18 both transitioned to being less of an asshole in a third of the time it took Vegeta. One wanted to rule the planet, one destroyed it in alternative timeline. Vegeta still couldn't put his pride aside once Frieza was dead, he had gotten together with a wealthy woman who kept him in the manner he'd no doubt been accostomed to as a prince and he obtained his coveted Super Saiyan form. Nope, still a dick.
Doesn't help that he seemed to stop being a jerk at the end of the Cell Saga(when he apologised to Gohan) and the Frieza saga(when he was dying) and then we come back to the following arc and he's right back to being an earth endangering douchebag again.

Kaioshin's inexperience wasn't what annoyed me; it was his lack of conviction to get involved in a conflict he himself caused. Also the news that he at any point could have got off his ass and stopped Frieza from genociding millions but didn't bother doesn't exactly endear him.

Their backstories aren't even comparable. Piccolo pretty did the only thing he knew... avenge his father's death and fulfilling his father's ambitions of taking over the world. #18 in the present time wasn't even evil at all.

Vegeta was raised with the extreme Saiyan mentality and had a harsh/unloving upbringings where he was oppressed by Freeza. Also, nothing suggests he was remorseful towards his past crimes when he was dying on Namek only that he wanted a Super Saiyan to restore honor to his people and Vegeta never spent time with Bulma in the 2 year stretch between the Freeza Saga and the Android Saga.

Vegeta's transition had to be more gradual otherwise it's bad writing.

And That's far from the worst thing Kaioshin did. Even though what he did was stupid he had a legit reason not to. Freeza was only a threat to one Galaxy and wasn't a mindless killing machine like Majin Boo.

[DanielSSJ]

All these people complaining about Vegeta. Its almost as if some of you think Vegeta should have become "magically good" the moment he came back to life after Freeza killed him. You're talking about a guy who essentially wanted to rule the universe and live only for himself, of course he is still going to be that way into the Cell arc. Vegeta's gradual development would make no sense if Cell-era Vegeta didn't exist.

My main problem with Vegeta isn't that he's an evil asshole. It's that, he's a whiny evil asshole, at least in the Cell arc he is. Vegeta was just as cruel in the Freeza arc, but it was so entertaining to see him plan and sneak around Freeza and his men. And after he lets go of his pride in the Boo arc, we do see a bit more of that more cunning and strategic persona.

However there is none of that in the Cell arc. All he does is proclaim his superiority over his opponent (and Kakarotto), get his ass kicked by his opponent, and then whine about it, and all the while making horrible decisions along the way.

[Akyon]

I mean you can argue it all you want, it's not going to change personal opinion that's been there for over a decade. Fact remains I hated Vegeta in Z for flip flopping.
He was at least tolerable when he was on Namek, and I throughly enjoyed him as an antagonist in the Saiyan Saga. When everyone pretended they were hunky dory with him and he was still an asshole is where I draw the line.

If Toriyama really wanted to make it a believable transition he probably shouldn't have rushed to get Bulma and him together and all the Z fighters to act like he was an ally they could trust before he'd actually had his true change of heart. Hell, they let him go in the time chamber twice rather than someone more reliable with similar power. If Vegeta's redemption is slow and realistic, then all the rest of the cast's reactions to him aren't. Either one character is at fault or ALL the other characters are.

Also as the God of Creation you really should be preventing things that are causing needless destruction to your creations outside the God of Destruction. Beerus even stated he was planning to destroy Frieza when he woke up. Clearly Frieza is still doing something he shouldn't be if even the God of Destruction wants to get involved.

[precita]

When everyone pretended they were hunky dory with him and he was still an asshole is where I draw the line.

If Toriyama really wanted to make it a believable transition he probably shouldn't have rushed to get Bulma and him together and all the Z fighters to act like he was an ally they could trust before he'd actually had his true change of heart. Hell, they let him go in the time chamber twice rather than someone more reliable with similar power. If Vegeta's redemption is slow and realistic, then all the rest of the cast's reactions to him aren't. Either one character is at fault or ALL the other characters are.

They weren't? There was also a 3 year gap between Trunks arrival and the training for the Androids, so we have no idea what Vegeta did with the rest of the cast at the time. Likewise Tenshinhan still doesn't like Vegeta, and Piccolo was also skeptical of him. In fact I'm pretty sure I remember Piccolo telling Vegeta to back off a few times.

I mean you've watched the series for years, you should know this. As for the time chamber, all the Saiyans went in, and Piccolo and the others felt it wouldn't do them any good. Who else did you expect them to let into the time chamber over Vegeta, when Piccolo and Tenshinhan flat out say they don't think training in there would do them any good?

Also as the God of Creation you really should be preventing things that are causing needless destruction to your creations outside the God of Destruction. Beerus even stated he was planning to destroy Frieza when he woke up. Clearly Frieza is still doing something he shouldn't be if even the God of Destruction wants to get involved.

Freeza being a tyrant still isn't enough reason for God's to get involved. That's the natural order of the universe. There will always be aliens who try to conquer other alien races in the universe, its just that Freeza was (or thought) he was the most powerful at the time.

[RandomGuy96]

Roshi, the wacky and hilarious rapist.

[Trickster]

Talking about the original DB only, Goten. I don't like his (lack of) personality, he doesn't have almost any function in the story, and he didn't let Gohan have the "Goku's boy" status :v

[sintzu]

Super would be greatly improved by removing Vegeta.

He's the best part about Super and anime in general.

[Soppa Saia People]

Super would be greatly improved by removing Vegeta.

He's the best part about Super and anime in general.

As someone who has only watched two animes, no. Maybe in Saiyan and early Freeza.

[TekTheNinja]

Not sure if they count, but I hate the Cell Juniors. They annoy the hell outta me.

[sintzu]

As someone who has only watched two animes, no. Maybe in Saiyan and early Freeza.

What's the other anime you've seen ?

[Soppa Saia People]

As someone who has only watched two animes, no. Maybe in Saiyan and early Freeza.

What's the other anime you've seen ?

Besides one episode of Naruto, Pokemon. Don't watch it much anymore, besides for the occasional laughs.

EDIT: I watched all of YYUA if that counts for something.

[sintzu]

Besides one episode of Naruto...

I definitely recommend you continue Naruto, watch the 1st 135 episodes of the original Naruto then skip to Shippuden.