Do Timelines 3 & 4 exist anymore?

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

No they weren't. There isn't any mention of anyone else making alternate timelines other than the U12 traveler, Trunks and Cell.

Gowasu said that last time he checked, there were 3 green rings instead of 4, and that the 4th one was created recently, and he doesn't mention that there was any relation to those 3 rings.

He didn't say that there were 3 Time Rings instead of 4. He just said that they increased.

[dragon boss z]

Or the writers didn't think into it and probably forgot those time lines existed. lol

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No they weren't. There isn't any mention of anyone else making alternate timelines other than the U12 traveler, Trunks and Cell.

Gowasu said that last time he checked, there were 3 green rings instead of 4, and that the 4th one was created recently, and he doesn't mention that there was any relation to those 3 rings.

He didn't say that there were 3 Time Rings instead of 4. He just said that they increased.

Gowasu says in the anime that another green ring appeared a few years ago. In the manga, he says that another world was created recently, not more worlds, and he didn't notice that they were 4 until later. If the number of the green rings was just 1, he would have noticed it instantly.

[dbgtFO]

Gowasu said that last time he checked, there were 3 green rings instead of 4, and that the 4th one was created recently, and he doesn't mention that there was any relation to those 3 rings.

He didn't say that there were 3 Time Rings instead of 4. He just said that they increased.

Gowasu says in the anime that another green ring appeared a few years ago. In the manga, he says that another world was created recently, not more worlds, and he didn't notice that they were 4 until later. If the number of the green rings was just 1, he would have noticed it instantly.

The anime certainly implies only one new timeline was created in the Cell Arc. The manga can still go in the direction of a new ring being created because Trunks just came back, creating the new and final iteration of the main timeline.
Though we will see, if Zamasu knowing about Trunks' time travel will also be brought up in the manga.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The manga can still go in the direction of a new ring being created because Trunks just came back, creating the new and final iteration of the main timeline.

This would still create a plot-hole, since that would mean Trunks' time-machine created all 4 timelines, and we know this isn't the case.

[dbgtFO]

The manga can still go in the direction of a new ring being created because Trunks just came back, creating the new and final iteration of the main timeline.

This would still create a plot-hole, since that would mean Trunks' time-machine created all 4 timelines, and we know this isn't the case.

Not necessarily.

1st Green Ring = Timeline created by some guy from Universe 12.

At this point to avoid confusion, I would prefer to think whatever that guy from U12 did in his new timeline meant Dragon Ball as we know it, did not happen in the Universe 7 of that timeline so we put that to the side leaving us with 1 Silver Ring and 3 Green Rings at the beginning of the Future Trunks Arc.

Silver Ring = The Original Timeline, the timeline from which Cell comes.
2nd Green Ring = Future Trunks Timeline.
3rd Green Ring = Goku Black Timeline/The former Main Timeline.
4th Green Ring = The new Main Timeline.

This means there were only 3 Timelines in the Cell Arc, but that's in accordance with DB Forever, that guidebook from 2004. Not exactly my preferred take, but it can work.
However I do think the manga will also have the "Beerus created Goku-Black's timeline" sequence, as Kaioshin already theorizes that will happen in the latest chapter.
If that really means the Cell Arc only produced one new time ring, that will be a big shame and frankly non-sensical.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I don't see why said timelines would cease to exist in the first place.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The manga can still go in the direction of a new ring being created because Trunks just came back, creating the new and final iteration of the main timeline.

This would still create a plot-hole, since that would mean Trunks' time-machine created all 4 timelines, and we know this isn't the case.

Not necessarily.

1st Green Ring = Timeline created by some guy from Universe 12.

At this point to avoid confusion, I would prefer to think whatever that guy from U12 did in his new timeline meant Dragon Ball as we know it, did not happen in the Universe 7 of that timeline so we put that to the side leaving us with 1 Silver Ring and 3 Green Rings at the beginning of the Future Trunks Arc.

Silver Ring = The Original Timeline, the timeline from which Cell comes.
2nd Green Ring = Future Trunks Timeline.
3rd Green Ring = Goku Black Timeline/The former Main Timeline.
4th Green Ring = The new Main Timeline.

This means there were only 3 Timelines in the Cell Arc, but that's in accordance with DB Forever, that guidebook from 2004. Not exactly my preferred take, but it can work.
However I do think the manga will also have the "Beerus created Goku-Black's timeline" sequence, as Kaioshin already theorizes that will happen in the latest chapter.
If that really means the Cell Arc only produced one new time ring, that will be a big shame and frankly non-sensical.

That doesn't make any sense. If the green rings appear only in the universe that time-traveling happened, why would the U10 Kaioshin have green rings created from time-travels that happened in U7?

[dbgtFO]

[spoiler]Not necessarily.

1st Green Ring = Timeline created by some guy from Universe 12.

At this point to avoid confusion, I would prefer to think whatever that guy from U12 did in his new timeline meant Dragon Ball as we know it, did not happen in the Universe 7 of that timeline so we put that to the side leaving us with 1 Silver Ring and 3 Green Rings at the beginning of the Future Trunks Arc.

Silver Ring = The Original Timeline, the timeline from which Cell comes.
2nd Green Ring = Future Trunks Timeline.
3rd Green Ring = Goku Black Timeline/The former Main Timeline.
4th Green Ring = The new Main Timeline.

This means there were only 3 Timelines in the Cell Arc, but that's in accordance with DB Forever, that guidebook from 2004. Not exactly my preferred take, but it can work.
However I do think the manga will also have the "Beerus created Goku-Black's timeline" sequence, as Kaioshin already theorizes that will happen in the latest chapter.
If that really means the Cell Arc only produced one new time ring, that will be a big shame and frankly non-sensical.[/spoiler]

That doesn't make any sense. If the green rings appear only in the universe that time-traveling happened, why would the U10 Kaioshin have green rings created from time-travels that happened in U7?

What do you mean? I agree that every new timeline creates a new ring in every universe in every timeline.
Please elaborate.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Gowasu said that last time he checked, there were 3 green rings instead of 4, and that the 4th one was created recently, and he doesn't mention that there was any relation to those 3 rings.

He didn't say that there were 3 Time Rings instead of 4. He just said that they increased.

Gowasu says in the anime that another green ring appeared a few years ago. In the manga, he says that another world was created recently, not more worlds, and he didn't notice that they were 4 until later. If the number of the green rings was just 1, he would have noticed it instantly.

You don't know when Gowasu last checked. Cell & Trunks' timeline have the same flowstream until Trunks returns to his timeline. Trunks killing Cell created a history where Trunks lived and one where he died.

Same situation as Present Zamasu & Goku Black, whom are from the same flowstream, just from different points of it. That's until Beerus killed Zamasu, erased Blacks' history from the main timeline and created a 6th Time Ring(the 5th Green Time Ring).

Gowasu could've last checked the number of Green Time Rings in Age 763 or 764, when there should logically only be 3 at the time(Since Trunks' and Cells' timeline haven't split yet). At this point we would have:

-Timeline 1(Green Time Ring)=Timeline that Universe 12 traveler created
-Timeline 2(Green Time Ring)=Trunks' and Cells' timeline
-Timeline 3(Green Time Ring)=Main timeline altered by Trunks, but not Cell
-Timeline 4(Silver Time Ring)=Main timeline altered by Trunks & Cell

with timeline 2 being split over 3 years later when Trunks goes back to his timeline and changes history, creating the 4th Green Time Ring.

[apex_pretador]

Here's my take on timelines

1. Cell killed trunks after trunks defeated androids
2. Trunks ran away from androids, came back stronger than ever, killed androids and cell, Dabura, Black came and killed people, Vegetto defeats merged Zamasu and trunks defeats him. Zeno destroys the universe
3. Trunks killed androids, cell, dabura. Black came and beerus took care of him as whis told him to do it.
4. Goku killed golden freeza, Monaka won the U6 tournament, Goku fought Zamasu and Zamasu stole goku's body after 1 year
5. Goku fought Zamasu, beerus killed Zamasu
6. Some u12 guy created this timeline. So, we do not know how it matters in context to U7.

[iop890]

Since U12 guy split the time-line originally, then assuming the change he made wasn't so drastic that it threw things in U7 off course, shouldn't there be two sets of all the subsequent time-lines?

And since there aren't two sets of them, doesn't that mean the U12 guy must have done something huge enough to change the course of history all the way over in in U7?

Or am I mixed up? The time travel stuff gets messy.

[dbgtFO]

Since U12 guy split the time-line originally, then assuming the change he made wasn't so drastic that it threw things in U7 off course, shouldn't there be two sets of all the subsequent time-lines?

And since there aren't two sets of them, doesn't that mean the U12 guy must have done something huge enough to change the course of history all the way over in in U7?

Or am I mixed up? The time travel stuff gets messy.

Yup. That is why I decided to not factor it in above, because that would be too confusing.
We just have to wait for the story to unfold to see how it deals with it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

[spoiler]Not necessarily.

1st Green Ring = Timeline created by some guy from Universe 12.

At this point to avoid confusion, I would prefer to think whatever that guy from U12 did in his new timeline meant Dragon Ball as we know it, did not happen in the Universe 7 of that timeline so we put that to the side leaving us with 1 Silver Ring and 3 Green Rings at the beginning of the Future Trunks Arc.

Silver Ring = The Original Timeline, the timeline from which Cell comes.
2nd Green Ring = Future Trunks Timeline.
3rd Green Ring = Goku Black Timeline/The former Main Timeline.
4th Green Ring = The new Main Timeline.

This means there were only 3 Timelines in the Cell Arc, but that's in accordance with DB Forever, that guidebook from 2004. Not exactly my preferred take, but it can work.
However I do think the manga will also have the "Beerus created Goku-Black's timeline" sequence, as Kaioshin already theorizes that will happen in the latest chapter.
If that really means the Cell Arc only produced one new time ring, that will be a big shame and frankly non-sensical.[/spoiler]

That doesn't make any sense. If the green rings appear only in the universe that time-traveling happened, why would the U10 Kaioshin have green rings created from time-travels that happened in U7?

What do you mean? I agree that every new timeline creates a new ring in every universe in every timeline.
Please elaborate.

Sorry, I read your post in a hurry and thought that the Silver Ring was the 1st Green Ring.

But still, why would the unseen timeline from Cell arc disappear? The latest guidebooks (like DB Forever & Chozenshuu) may not acknowledge it, but it's still mentioned in the manga.