The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Anime Kitten]

SsjR Black Goku is stronger than Hit according to the latest interview about power levels.

Which interview about power levels?

[Zamasu55]

SsjR Black Goku is stronger than Hit according to the latest interview about power levels.

Which interview about power levels?

The one where a producer said SsjR Goku Black is the strongest unfused character of the arc.

[Anime Kitten]

The one where a producer said SsjR Goku Black is the strongest unfused character of the arc.

Well, the statement is extremely vague.

Who’s the strongest out of all these? We asked producer, Atsushi Kido.
The God of Destruction Beerus is overwhelmingly strong, but if we leave him out, then I think the strongest fighter is Goku Black. I’d say he’s used Son Goku’s power as a base and evolved in his own, unique way.

He's asked about the strongest "out of all these", which should be referring to Vegetto Blue, Merged Zamasu, and Future Trunks, but it can't be them as Beerus isn't presented, nor is Goku Black shown on his own. It also leaves out Whis, Vados, and the Grand Priest.

Going into upcoming episode spoilers territory here.
[spoiler]To put it simply, we don't actually know if Hit is stronger yet. Even if Goku Black was stronger than the Hit we saw in the tournament, that doesn't necessarily mean Hit hasn't improved further than before. I'd just wait until Hit's arc starts.[/spoiler]

[Khin]

New matches:

- Super Saiyan 3 Goku (vs. F. Trunks) vs. Goku Black (vs. SSJ2 Goku)

- Super Saiyan Rosé Black (final improvement) vs. Hit (unseen deadly techniques/fully improved)

- Trunks said that the Black that fought Goku was slightly weaker than the Black he fought in the future - whom he said to be as about as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku an episode prior. Chances are, Goku would likely have the edge at first, but Black will get stronger as the fight goes on, and Goku's stamina will fall fast.

- Black has a big edge in raw power, but I don't think he's stronger than SSB Kaio-ken Goku that fought Hit at all, since Black was never implied to have surpassed that Goku until he and Future Zamasu fused. Given that Goku admitted that Hit could've killed him after he pummeled him, with Hit's attack only doing little damage because Hit held back. I'd say Black gets his butt kicked.

[Hellspawn28]

None of them unless a character with the ability to completely erase existence is there. I believe even Zeno couldn't "Kill" Zamasu...he had to erase reality as though it never existed to get rid of him. Just my speculation.

So basically Zamasu can only be defeated by the one true God of each universe.

A lot of those universes can erase beings from existence. I think the JoJo universe could beat Fused Zamasu since the Stairway to Heaven Stand can destroy and re-crate the whole universe. With the Stairway to Heaven, Enrico Pucci can destroy and re-create the universe without Fused Zamasu in it.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Unless his first attack is a Supernova, that's unlikely. And 19 probably can't even fully absorb a Supernova. The reason 19 was able to gain the advantage over Goku so quickly was because Goku was already rapidly losing stamina, if Goku were in peak condition absorbing that Kamehameha would have done nothing to help 19.

Yeah, but Goku was also a lot stronger than Coola by that point. Besides, whatever damage Goku dealt prior was superficial, as Dr. Gero was more worried about No. 19 losing power before he could absorb Goku's energy than he was of Goku actually damaging the Android. And why wouldn't No. 19 be able absorb Coola's Supernova? There isn't anything in the series that even implies that there's a limit to his and No. 20's energy absorption ability.

Their energy absorption may very well be infinite, but I believe it has limits. For example, Vegeta's Big Bang Attack would probably still kill 19 even if he didn't have his hands ripped off. Also, we can't be sure about Goku actually being stronger against 19 than he was against Cooler, the movies tend to ignore canon power level logic and towards the end Goku is implied to have reached Frieza's level using only Kaioken so his base in the movie has most likely already reached 6 million, which he may have surpassed by the Androids Saga but not by much, I'd imagine he's at 7 million maximum.

[GodKaio-Ken]

None of them unless a character with the ability to completely erase existence is there. I believe even Zeno couldn't "Kill" Zamasu...he had to erase reality as though it never existed to get rid of him. Just my speculation.

So basically Zamasu can only be defeated by the one true God of each universe.

A lot of those universes can erase beings from existence. I think the JoJo universe could beat Fused Zamasu since the Stairway to Heaven Stand can destroy and re-crate the whole universe. With the Stairway to Heaven, Enrico Pucci can destroy and re-create the universe without Fused Zamasu in it.

Right, that is sort of what I'm saying. Only a God with that power can beat him. If they all have it...they can all beat him. If some do...some can.

[DanielSSJ]

Their energy absorption may very well be infinite, but I believe it has limits. For example, Vegeta's Big Bang Attack would probably still kill 19 even if he didn't have his hands ripped off. Also, we can't be sure about Goku actually being stronger against 19 than he was against Cooler, the movies tend to ignore canon power level logic and towards the end Goku is implied to have reached Frieza's level using only Kaioken so his base in the movie has most likely already reached 6 million, which he may have surpassed by the Androids Saga but not by much, I'd imagine he's at 7 million maximum.

Given that Vegeta made sure to rip off his hands, I'd say that No. 19 would've absorbed the Big Bang Attack without issue, and given the fact that Vegeta, who was already aware of the Androids' energy absorption ability, had lost so much stamina in order to get rid of the hands, that, by the end of the fight he probably would've lost to No. 20 if he was forced to fight him.

As far as the movies go, sure, they generally don't match up very well with the manga. Barely anything Toei writes on their own does. But when it comes to comparing manga characters to the movie characters, I usually try to find some way to make it work (it usually doesn't). In regards to the Coola movie, it's actually pretty easy to make work. The movie takes place within the 3 year time gap between Trunks' warning and the Androids' activation. When Coola first says that he could see how Goku beat his brother, I sorta interpret it as "Well I suppose you got lucky and took him out in one of his lower forms or before he could reach 100%, because my brother's a careless idiot." But when Goku finally goes Super Saiyan, Coola's sorta like "Okay, that makes more sense!"

[kinisking]

Goten VS Trunks if they were the same age?

Tien Versus Krillin if krillin was slightly stronger?

Krillin Versus Vegeta if they were the same strength?

Handicapped Mr. Satan (only left hand) versus Omniking?

[dragon boss z]

Goten VS Trunks if they were the same age?

Tien Versus Krillin if krillin was slightly stronger?

Krillin Versus Vegeta if they were the same strength?

Handicapped Mr. Satan (only left hand) versus Omniking?

Goten if he kept training, though I think Trunks will stay stronger due to his dad pushing him more.

Vegeta unless Krillin does a solar flare destructo disc combo.

Mr. Satan of course.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Their energy absorption may very well be infinite, but I believe it has limits. For example, Vegeta's Big Bang Attack would probably still kill 19 even if he didn't have his hands ripped off. Also, we can't be sure about Goku actually being stronger against 19 than he was against Cooler, the movies tend to ignore canon power level logic and towards the end Goku is implied to have reached Frieza's level using only Kaioken so his base in the movie has most likely already reached 6 million, which he may have surpassed by the Androids Saga but not by much, I'd imagine he's at 7 million maximum.

Given that Vegeta made sure to rip off his hands, I'd say that No. 19 would've absorbed the Big Bang Attack without issue, and given the fact that Vegeta, who was already aware of the Androids' energy absorption ability, had lost so much stamina in order to get rid of the hands, that, by the end of the fight he probably would've lost to No. 20 if he was forced to fight him.

As far as the movies go, sure, they generally don't match up very well with the manga. Barely anything Toei writes on their own does. But when it comes to comparing manga characters to the movie characters, I usually try to find some way to make it work (it usually doesn't). In regards to the Coola movie, it's actually pretty easy to make work. The movie takes place within the 3 year time gap between Trunks' warning and the Androids' activation. When Coola first says that he could see how Goku beat his brother, I sorta interpret it as "Well I suppose you got lucky and took him out in one of his lower forms or before he could reach 100%, because my brother's a careless idiot." But when Goku finally goes Super Saiyan, Coola's sorta like "Okay, that makes more sense!"

At that time Vegeta was testing their energy absorption so we can't really say whether or not he could have killed 19 right off the bat if he wanted to. And Cooler himself was being overwhelmed by Goku and except in the English dub, there's no indication that his fourth form is inferior to Frieza's

[Ki Breaker]

Handicapped Mr. Satan (only left hand) versus Omniking?

He doesn't even need that, just the name is enough to demolish omni king..
He is the person to go SS being a human don't forget..

My pairings

• mystic gohan vs ss2 trunks after Vegeta's training (beating)

• Mr buu vs Frost

• Zeno vs Monaka
No powers, pure muscle fight! Let them hands do work!

• Kamehameha vs imagine breaker
if characters form other anime are fine that is..
for those who don't know imagine breaker is a power capable of negating all supernatural things.. it stopped a universe busting attack once.. and it resides in the right hand of touma ( a certain magical index )

• vegeta vs accelerator
Accelerator, above show's character, capable of manipulating any vectors.. that includes energy.. Physical attacks don't work on him, turns vector to the one punching and it hurts him instead..
Can Stand in the middle of nuclear explosion, won't have a scratch..
If he touches you he reverses your blood flow causing your internal organs to burst..

[DBZAOTA482]

Which parents can turn Eric Cartman into a good boy?



Cartman's violent behavior has broken his mother's heart once more and has him sent to Dragon World since all the people in her world have failed to make him behave.


Goku and Chi-Chi

Knowing some of the shit Cartman has pulled, they probably wouldn't be afraid to use force if they had to considering both are warriors (well Chi-Chi is retired but still a warrior by blood) and have frightening strength. They would probably fall victim to his mind games and Chi-Chi would have to deal with his constantly teasing for her ridiculous name. There's also Goku's uncanny ability to see the good in even some of his worst enemies including Piccolo and even Vegeta.

If they do pull through Cartman definitely wouldn't slack in school.

Vegeta and Bulma

I can't say about Bulma although she doesn't seem a lot better than Cartman's actual mother as she spoil Trunks herself and seems rather careless with him, but Vegeta is the total opposite. He definitely won't hold any punches with Cartman and being a recovering psychopath himself he can relate with Cartman. He's also definitely too smart for the boy's mind games.

Krillin and #18

Krillin is pretty wishy-washy so no hope for him and #18 probably wouldn't care that much, but she is pretty deadpan and seems quite intelligent so Cartman probably can't phase her at all.

Gohan and Videl

Gohan is more of a lover than a fighter so he'd probably exhaust any attempts to reason with Cartman (which likely won't succeed) and Videl is too much of a stepford wife to do anything. Videl from Z would get rough with the boy (unless he breaks her mentally) but now.... nah.


So... that's what I think but what do you think? Who can do the job?

[dragon boss z]

• mystic gohan vs ss2 trunks after Vegeta's training (beating)

Probalby Trunks.

• Mr buu vs Frost

Buu. I have Frost around Cell level and Buu can't be poisoned and has regen. There is really no way Frost can win unless you are one of those people who have him at god tier, lol.

• Zeno vs Monaka
No powers, pure muscle fight! Let them hands do work!

Monaka of course! He has the strongest nipples in universe 7.

[Ki Breaker]

Buu. I have Frost around Cell level and Buu can't be poisoned and has regen. There is really no way Frost can win unless you are one of those people who have him at god tier, lol.

Hell no! Frost is nowhere near god tier in my book..
About mystic gohan vs ft..
I am going with Gohan in this though.. ft wasn't really that strong till he became fake god

[Roronoa-pt]

Tenshinhan vs Pui Pui
#18 vs Yakon
Chaozu & Yamcha vs Babidi

[TheUltimateNinja]

Tenshinhan vs Pui Pui
#18 vs Yakon
Chaozu & Yamcha vs Babidi

-We can't really compare their power, the only thing we know is that they're both jokes to Base Vegeta. I imagine the Shin Kikoho would give Tenshinhan the advantage, so I'll give him the win.

-18 would wreck easily, without the advantage of darkness Yakon couldn't even beat Base Goku, who is considerably weaker than 18.

-Babidi's magic is pretty OP, he should win easily.


Alright, here's a new one:
SSJ Goku Kaioken x10 (Namek) vs Grade 2 Vegeta.

[Zamasu55]

Buu. I have Frost around Cell level and Buu can't be poisoned and has regen. There is really no way Frost can win unless you are one of those people who have him at god tier, lol.

There's no need to be God-tier to beat Mr.Buu, who's the weakest version of all anyway.
Final form Frost is at least Mystic Gohan level, maybe even higher.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Buu. I have Frost around Cell level and Buu can't be poisoned and has regen. There is really no way Frost can win unless you are one of those people who have him at god tier, lol.

There's no need to be God-tier to beat Mr.Buu, who's the weakest version of all anyway.
Final form Frost is at least Mystic Gohan level, maybe even higher.

I don't see why he has to be that strong, he was getting completely stomped by SSJ Goku who wasn't even trying. He probably isn't even Good Buu level.

[Zamasu55]

Buu. I have Frost around Cell level and Buu can't be poisoned and has regen. There is really no way Frost can win unless you are one of those people who have him at god tier, lol.

There's no need to be God-tier to beat Mr.Buu, who's the weakest version of all anyway.
Final form Frost is at least Mystic Gohan level, maybe even higher.

I don't see why he has to be that strong, he was getting completely stomped by SSJ Goku who wasn't even trying. He probably isn't even Good Buu level.

Mate, you need to realize that Ssj Goku from the Champa saga is on a completely different level of power than Buu saga Ssj Goku.