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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kanassa » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:08 pm

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Kanassa wrote: In short: I'd describe the Super Manga as a very well drawn void. It's beautiful emptiness.
Well if the manga is nothing then the anime is less than nothing.
And when I say empty, I mean as in; Yeah, there's some fun fight scenes and a few good jokes, but overall there's nothing to care about. The characters seem blank and there;s little to no emotional weight behind anything that happens. When F!Bulma died in the anime and Trunks broke down, I was emotional. When it happens in the manga (Bulma's death not happening on screen there)? I just didn't care.

The anime is a cluster, some bad, some good, but it's there. The manga is empty for me.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:11 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:I don't give a Kardashian's ass about the logistics behind Saiyan hair and the constant obsessing over it.
Sexier words have never been spoken. Out of all the incongruities in the franchise, for many fans obsess over a throwaway line is ludicrous. I mean, is it really worth caring about a nothing statement from Vegeta that was obviously just an excuse for Toriyama to draw Trunks' hair differently? I don't think so.
If the series didn't have a pretty prominent trait, the Super Saiyan forms, all of which change a characters hair as pretty much THE defining visual trait of their existence I could maybe, begrudgingly understand this. But in a series that's pretty much all about aliens changing their hair as a sign of power now, throwing fits over Vegeta's mustache or Goku's hair being susceptible to hair gel (but not water?) is just irritating.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RisanF » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:36 am

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kinisking wrote: You're right, goku showed absolute no love for his family in episode 43, 61, or working as a farmer..
Or working as a part time security guard. I mean, that was basically charity work. And with that in mind, was it ever implied in the original story that Goku had any kind of job?
Goku never had a job in the original series.

And yeah, Super is fucking his character.... HARD!!!
The problem with Goku nowadays is, basically, he needs to show more emotion that just screaming in rage when someone dies. That kind of thing worked well in Dragon Ball/early-DBZ, but since Goku' has been restricted to talking mainly about fighting, his relationships seem kind of abstract, like he only misses them when they're gone. It doesn't help that there are no longer any stakes when someone dies; they are just brought back with Dragon Balls, and life continues on. I'm not asking for Goku to suddenly become a Dynamic Character, or to necessarily wall-paper over all his flaws, but he could stand to be a little more rounded.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The Patrolman » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:51 pm

OK here I go

I like the original Funimation dub version of Gohan turning SSJ2 in the Cell arc
The Last Jedi is a terrible movie

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:28 pm

The Patrolman wrote:OK here I go

I like the original Funimation dub version of Gohan turning SSJ2 in the Cell arc
This isn't really an unpopular opinion. I know tons of people who prefer this version.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:55 pm

Goku doesn't need a job.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:57 pm

ABED wrote:Goku doesn't need a job.
Any particular reason you believe such?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:08 pm

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ABED wrote:Goku doesn't need a job.
Any particular reason you believe such?
He doesn't need the money to feed his family. They live in the mountains and he hunts and fishes. Why would he need a job? Fighting serves as his central purpose, so it's not like he's aimless.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:30 pm

ABED wrote:He doesn't need the money to feed his family. They live in the mountains and he hunts and fishes. Why would he need a job? Fighting serves as his central purpose, so it's not like he's aimless.
Well, I'd imagine getting a job would serve as the most profitable option. He's too busy training to hunt or fish. Chi-Chi is too caught up in Goten's studies to hunt, fish, or get a job. I enjoy seeing him have a job in Super, for how rare we actually see it on-screen.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:03 pm

Goku needing a job goes down the drain when you remember Chi-Chi never gave enough of a damn to force him into one before and that Satan just gave them all the money they'll ever need as a thanks for stopping Boo.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:08 pm

ABED wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:
ABED wrote:Goku doesn't need a job.
Any particular reason you believe such?
He doesn't need the money to feed his family. They live in the mountains and he hunts and fishes. Why would he need a job? Fighting serves as his central purpose, so it's not like he's aimless.
What about clothing, house supplies, and electricity?
ekrolo2 wrote:Goku needing a job goes down the drain when you remember Chi-Chi never gave enough of a damn to force him into one before and that Satan just gave them all the money they'll ever need as a thanks for stopping Boo.
Maybe because she knows Goku will always be Goku and there's no changing him. Heck Goku could've gotten a more profitable job but instead settled for farming just so he can slack off.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:12 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:Goku needing a job goes down the drain when you remember Chi-Chi never gave enough of a damn to force him into one before and that Satan just gave them all the money they'll ever need as a thanks for stopping Boo.
Maybe because she knows Goku will always be Goku and there's no changing him. Heck Goku could've gotten a more profitable job but instead settled for farming just so he can slack off.
That's my point though: Chi-Chi acting like Goku is suddenly going to take a job seriously seems dumb. She didn't pester him to "set an example" for Gohan when he was growing up so what's the deal with him needing to do it with Pan if she already knows its not gonna work out?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:15 pm

What about clothing, house supplies, and electricity?
Family money and Goku never seemed to have a problem getting clothes in his 12 years prior to the beginning of DB.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:19 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Maybe because she knows Goku will always be Goku and there's no changing him. Heck Goku could've gotten a more profitable job but instead settled for farming just so he can slack off.
That's my point though: Chi-Chi acting like Goku is suddenly going to take a job seriously seems dumb. She didn't pester him to "set an example" for Gohan when he was growing up so what's the deal with him needing to do it with Pan if she already knows its not gonna work out?
I dunno... ask Toei.

It could've worked if they didn't her so extreme about it. You threatened to beat Goku up and twisting his arm when he tried to leave but you're cool with it once he actually leaves.... bitch, what's your fucking logic? :lol:
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What about clothing, house supplies, and electricity?
Family money and Goku never seemed to have a problem getting clothes in his 12 years prior to the beginning of DB.
Ox-king money that wasn't gonna last and Goku smelt like shit at the beginning of the series.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:22 pm

Ox-king money that wasn't gonna last and Goku smelt like shit at the beginning of the series.
Mr. Satan is family and he can bathe in the river. He doesn't need indoor plumbing. He doesn't need a job for sustenance. Electricity is a luxury.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:34 pm

ABED wrote:
Ox-king money that wasn't gonna last and Goku smelt like shit at the beginning of the series.
Mr. Satan is family and he can bathe in the river. He doesn't need indoor plumbing. He doesn't need a job for sustenance. Electricity is a luxury.
I'm talking before Mr. Satan gave them money and electricity isn't purely luxury. It's necessary in this day and age.

Also... fuck Goku!
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:41 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
ABED wrote:
Ox-king money that wasn't gonna last and Goku smelt like shit at the beginning of the series.
Mr. Satan is family and he can bathe in the river. He doesn't need indoor plumbing. He doesn't need a job for sustenance. Electricity is a luxury.
I'm talking before Mr. Satan gave them money and electricity isn't purely luxury. It's necessary in this day and age.

Also... fuck Goku!
It isn't a necessity for survival. People lived without it. We get it, you don't like Goku, but he doesn't need a job. He's not lazy, he has a goal and he has a legitimate means of supporting his family.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by buutenks » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:43 pm

Looking back on all the arcs and how far Super has got with its episodes. I can say, that the first 3 arcs were pathetic. The only good arc being Future Trunks arc. And even with that, considering how short it is, it has a ton of pointless filler episodes just to make it longer.

The slice of life episodes are all great tho.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:45 pm

buutenks wrote:Looking back on all the arcs and how far Super has got with its episodes. I can say, that the first 3 arcs were pathetic. The only good arc being Future Trunks arc. And even with that, considering how short it is, it has a ton of pointless filler episodes just to make it longer.

The slice of life episodes are all great tho.
The Tournament was okay for what it was. It tried to create too much fake tension, but it was still a fun time. If anything, I'm disappointed by how much of a bore the FT Arc was once I re-watched.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by buutenks » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:47 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
buutenks wrote:Looking back on all the arcs and how far Super has got with its episodes. I can say, that the first 3 arcs were pathetic. The only good arc being Future Trunks arc. And even with that, considering how short it is, it has a ton of pointless filler episodes just to make it longer.

The slice of life episodes are all great tho.
The Tournament was okay for what it was. It tried to create too much fake tension, but it was still a fun time. If anything, I'm disappointed by how much of a bore the FT Arc was once I re-watched.
Oh rewatch wise, the arc itself sucks even tho its so short. But as a new thing to see, was cool. Tho the fights themselves were epic. Which for U6 arc, apart from Hit vs Goku, were all kinda lame, tho Vegeta vs Mageta was decent.

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