Why was Gohan the only hybrid to have rage bossts
Why was Gohan the only hybrid to have rage bossts
Trunks and goten didn't have it and neither did future trunks.
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Re: Why was Gohan the only hybrid to have rage bossts
Future trunks just proved you wrong..
He became god tier by screaming I DON'T CARE! ( It looked pretty badass too
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That's waaaay more awesome than anything Gohan has done..
It contradicts what is told about Gohan having the most potential In a way..
Though you can argue Gohan would do better if Goku trained him the way vegeta did to trunks
Goten and trunks just don't care enough to have rage boosts.. they are kids..
He became god tier by screaming I DON'T CARE! ( It looked pretty badass too
That's waaaay more awesome than anything Gohan has done..
It contradicts what is told about Gohan having the most potential In a way..
Though you can argue Gohan would do better if Goku trained him the way vegeta did to trunks
Goten and trunks just don't care enough to have rage boosts.. they are kids..
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Re: Why was Gohan the only hybrid to have rage bossts
Because of Gohan's mother: Chi-Chi. Have you noticed how much this woman rages? She's too emotionally-charged and is insane. That gene clearly was passed down to Gohan.
Why Goten doesn't have that? It probably may have been dormant gene for him, the same way he doesn't seem to have a tail. Although it could have been just removed. Besides, Goten seems to be more like his Dad than his Mom. Goten likes play-fighting and is overall naive just like Goku. Gohan never liked fighting and was a book nerd even as a child. Surely Chi-Chi has also homeschooled Goten but Goten is unlike child Gohan when it comes to studies. He takes after his Dad far more.
Also, here's the Gohan Rage Theory:
Why Goten doesn't have that? It probably may have been dormant gene for him, the same way he doesn't seem to have a tail. Although it could have been just removed. Besides, Goten seems to be more like his Dad than his Mom. Goten likes play-fighting and is overall naive just like Goku. Gohan never liked fighting and was a book nerd even as a child. Surely Chi-Chi has also homeschooled Goten but Goten is unlike child Gohan when it comes to studies. He takes after his Dad far more.
Also, here's the Gohan Rage Theory:
Angelus wrote:Think about it... Chi Chi was a nagging and irate adult. Much more so than average. Sure, Bulma was a spoiled loud mouth but jeez.. Chi Chi was insanely angry.
Before BoG, where Vegeta has a "rage boost", only Gohan had a significant "rage boost" in the series. I mean sure, Krillin got pissed and wiped out all those Saibamen, Vegeta blasting SPC when Future Trunks got killed, and sure, rage/anger is what activates the SSJ transformation... but Gohan was the only one in the series that consistently had that "rage boost" that was significant.
Headbutt against Raditz, insane ki blasts against 2nd form Frieza, again against Cell, and when Piccolo threw Gohan towards a cliff back in the Saiyan Saga, and that filler scene when Goku noted that Gohan made a huge hole on a large tree's trunk, and when they were training in the ROSAT. Gohan consistently had a rage boost that Goku even acknowledged it and was so confident with that potential that he had Gohan fight Cell.
But now each time Gohan gets his rage boost, I just can't shake the afterimage of how similar it is to how insanely pissed off Chi Chi gets. It's like... this "rage" Gohan had was inherited from Chi Chi's insane anger genes. Yes, of course, Gohan inherited traits from Chi Chi. But it seems like this rage is the more inherent trait he got from Chi Chi. Something Goten didn't inherit.
Future Trunks, and present Trunks had a loud mouth mother but never at the same angered caliber as Chi Chi. They both never had a significant "rage boost" yet they're Human-Saiyan hybrids. The only time Future Trunks showed his mother's loud-mouthed tendencies was when he was screaming "IF THEY SET THAT ANDROID FREE IT WILL BE THE END OF ALL OF USSSSSSSSS!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!" when 17 and 18 were to activate 16... and "FATHER!!!! YOU HAVE TO STOP IT!!!!!" when Vegeta was charging up a Final Flash to shoot at Cell.
Should we be thankful that Goku ended up with angry Chi Chi instead of loud mouth Bulma or fangirl Suno/Snow?
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Re: Why was Gohan the only hybrid to have rage bossts
Because they needed a unique characteristic to distinguish him from Goku.
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No there is nothing unique about Gohan besides him being a scholar
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Kid Trunks and Goten are simply not being challenged enough.
Gohan grew up very protected by his mother until Raditz arrived, he was 4 years when he was trained by Piccolo and had to survive for a year in the wilderness.
Then the Saiyans happened.
Then Freeza
Then Cell (baby Trunks was born)
Then Buu.
Gohan played a major role in these arcs and had plenty of rage boosts because he was challenged .
Goten and Trunks are already 7 and 8 years old when they are challenged for the first time during the Buu saga.
Other then the Buu arc they never really have to fight seriously for theirs or others lives.
And yet, they are still stronger than Gohan in comparison.
Gohan grew up very protected by his mother until Raditz arrived, he was 4 years when he was trained by Piccolo and had to survive for a year in the wilderness.
Then the Saiyans happened.
Then Freeza
Then Cell (baby Trunks was born)
Then Buu.
Gohan played a major role in these arcs and had plenty of rage boosts because he was challenged .
Goten and Trunks are already 7 and 8 years old when they are challenged for the first time during the Buu saga.
Other then the Buu arc they never really have to fight seriously for theirs or others lives.
And yet, they are still stronger than Gohan in comparison.
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Re: Why was Gohan the only hybrid to have rage bossts
Which is why fans cling on to him having his "Rage Boost" ability, because if you take that away from him, he's got nothing unique to offer.Kishido wrote:No there is nothing unique about Gohan besides him being a scholar
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Re: Why was Gohan the only hybrid to have rage bossts
If you put Vegeta's pride and ego away he has nothing as well.Lord Beerus wrote:Which is why fans cling on to him have his "Rage Boost" ability, because if you take that away from him, he's got nothing unique to offer.Kishido wrote:No there is nothing unique about Gohan besides him being a scholar
Unique character traits shouldn't be taken as well
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Gohan "Rage Boost" and Vegeta's pride and ego are two completely different traits. One is solely dependant on whether the plot requires it or on and the other is character trait that can evolve as the plot progress. Vegeta's immense pride and ego are a core part of his personality and what defines his later development. Whereas Gohan's "Rage Boost" is a plot device that does nothing to reshape Gohan's personality in the long term.Kishido wrote:If you put Vegeta's pride and ego away he has nothing as well.Lord Beerus wrote:Which is why fans cling on to him have his "Rage Boost" ability, because if you take that away from him, he's got nothing unique to offer.Kishido wrote:No there is nothing unique about Gohan besides him being a scholar
Unique character traits shouldn't be taken as well
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Lord Beerus wrote:Gohan "Rage Boost" and Vegeta's pride and ego are two completely different traits. One is solely dependant on whether the plot requires it or on and the other is character trait that can evolve as the plot progress. Vegeta's immense pride and ego are a core part of his personality and what defines his later development. Whereas Gohan's "Rage Boost" is a plot device that does nothing to reshape Gohan's personality in the long term.Kishido wrote:If you put Vegeta's pride and ego away he has nothing as well.Lord Beerus wrote: Which is why fans cling on to him have his "Rage Boost" ability, because if you take that away from him, he's got nothing unique to offer.
Unique character traits shouldn't be taken as well
I look at it completely different. Gohan non fighting character and his rage boost has been so in pposite to each other that it made him the character he has been.
And not only at Cell... but even before against Radditz and even more at the Namek saga for me... Hell that's why I still think Kid Gohan training with Piccolo is one of the best things of Z.
And I do not see the difference to Vegeta. Vegeta would be the boring as shit bad-ass with one liners... Or even Goku. Without his dumbness he would be plain as well cuz he has nothing else to offer as well
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And what character has Gohan turned into because of his "Rage Boost"? He is no different now then when he was at the beginning of the Majin Boo arc where, while he's more than willing to fight to protect his family and friends, he doesn't actively train unless encouraged to do so and is still concerned with his academic career?Kishido wrote:Lord Beerus wrote:Gohan "Rage Boost" and Vegeta's pride and ego are two completely different traits. One is solely dependant on whether the plot requires it or on and the other is character trait that can evolve as the plot progress. Vegeta's immense pride and ego are a core part of his personality and what defines his later development. Whereas Gohan's "Rage Boost" is a plot device that does nothing to reshape Gohan's personality in the long term.Kishido wrote:
If you put Vegeta's pride and ego away he has nothing as well.
Unique character traits shouldn't be taken as well
I look at it completely different. Gohan non fighting character and his rage boost has been so in pposite to each other that it made him the character he has been.
And not only at Cell... but even before against Radditz and even more at the Namek saga for me... Hell that's why I still think Kid Gohan training with Piccolo is one of the best things of Z.
And I do not see the difference to Vegeta. Vegeta would be the boring as shit bad-ass with one liners... Or even Goku. Without his dumbness he would be plain as well cuz he has nothing else to offer as well
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I never said Buu arc Gohan was good or that he is good nowLord Beerus wrote:And what character has Gohan turned into because of his "Rage Boost"? He is no different now then when he was at the beginning of the Majin Boo arc where, while he's more than willing to fight to protect his family and friends, he doesn't actively train unless encouraged to do so and is still concerned with his academic career?Kishido wrote:Lord Beerus wrote: Gohan "Rage Boost" and Vegeta's pride and ego are two completely different traits. One is solely dependant on whether the plot requires it or on and the other is character trait that can evolve as the plot progress. Vegeta's immense pride and ego are a core part of his personality and what defines his later development. Whereas Gohan's "Rage Boost" is a plot device that does nothing to reshape Gohan's personality in the long term.
I look at it completely different. Gohan non fighting character and his rage boost has been so in pposite to each other that it made him the character he has been.
And not only at Cell... but even before against Radditz and even more at the Namek saga for me... Hell that's why I still think Kid Gohan training with Piccolo is one of the best things of Z.
And I do not see the difference to Vegeta. Vegeta would be the boring as shit bad-ass with one liners... Or even Goku. Without his dumbness he would be plain as well cuz he has nothing else to offer as well
There his decline in character happened and that's why I hated his cheap ass Mystic power up.
Until than he gradually learned to fight and has to uge his rage... That's the whole point of his training with Goku at the Cell saga.
Kid Gohan against Raditz showed it - Piccolo trained him but he still was a kid - Namek Gohan was fantastic doing his best helping out and In cell arc he realized during RoSaT and the games that he has to fight.
His father's death for his mistake against Cell even SHOULD have cemented it... Instead they went the NERD route.
And before people come up with shit... but he is happy... Yeah he is happy and a scholar. That is everything he could be while still training knowing his abilities and the responsibilities to protect people
Super with the red herrings even destoyed it even more
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During the Cell arc, and more specifically during the Cell Games, Gohan's willingness to fight disappeared and instead he became a total pacifist who had resort to his family and friends getting beaten to near death to release his hidden power, which only actually happened when Android 16 , of all people, died in front of him. If there is any part of the story where is character declined, it was during the Cell Games, where he suddenly didn't want to kill, even if it meant the fate of the world was essentially in hands. This trait would follow through in a way into the Majin Boo arc where he stopped training, as no one encouraged or prompted him to do.Kishido wrote:I never said Buu arc Gohan was good or that he is good nowLord Beerus wrote:And what character has Gohan turned into because of his "Rage Boost"? He is no different now then when he was at the beginning of the Majin Boo arc where, while he's more than willing to fight to protect his family and friends, he doesn't actively train unless encouraged to do so and is still concerned with his academic career?Kishido wrote:
I look at it completely different. Gohan non fighting character and his rage boost has been so in pposite to each other that it made him the character he has been.
And not only at Cell... but even before against Radditz and even more at the Namek saga for me... Hell that's why I still think Kid Gohan training with Piccolo is one of the best things of Z.
And I do not see the difference to Vegeta. Vegeta would be the boring as shit bad-ass with one liners... Or even Goku. Without his dumbness he would be plain as well cuz he has nothing else to offer as well
There his decline in character happened and that's why I hated his cheap ass Mystic power up.
Until than he gradually learned to fight and has to uge his rage... That's the whole point of his training with Goku at the Cell saga.
Kid Gohan against Raditz showed it - Piccolo trained him but he still was a kid - Namek Gohan was fantastic doing his best helping out and In cell arc he realized during RoSaT and the games that he has to fight.
His father's death for his mistake against Cell even SHOULD have cemented it... Instead they went the NERD route.
And before people come up with shit... but he is happy... Yeah he is happy and a scholar. That is everything he could be while still training knowing his abilities and the responsibilities to protect people
Super with the red herrings even destoyed it even more
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We can go in full circles or just agree to disagree on out views.Lord Beerus wrote:During the Cell arc, and more specifically during the Cell Games, Gohan's willingness to fight disappeared and instead he became a total pacifist who had resort to his family and friends getting beaten to near death to release his hidden power, which only actually happened when Android 16 , of all people, died in front of him. If there is any part of the story where is character declined, it was during the Cell Games, where he suddenly didn't want to kill, even if it meant the fate of the world was essentially in hands. This trait would follow through in a way into the Majin Boo arc where he stopped training, as no one encouraged or prompted him to do.Kishido wrote:I never said Buu arc Gohan was good or that he is good nowLord Beerus wrote: And what character has Gohan turned into because of his "Rage Boost"? He is no different now then when he was at the beginning of the Majin Boo arc where, while he's more than willing to fight to protect his family and friends, he doesn't actively train unless encouraged to do so and is still concerned with his academic career?
There his decline in character happened and that's why I hated his cheap ass Mystic power up.
Until than he gradually learned to fight and has to uge his rage... That's the whole point of his training with Goku at the Cell saga.
Kid Gohan against Raditz showed it - Piccolo trained him but he still was a kid - Namek Gohan was fantastic doing his best helping out and In cell arc he realized during RoSaT and the games that he has to fight.
His father's death for his mistake against Cell even SHOULD have cemented it... Instead they went the NERD route.
And before people come up with shit... but he is happy... Yeah he is happy and a scholar. That is everything he could be while still training knowing his abilities and the responsibilities to protect people
Super with the red herrings even destoyed it even more
For me the Cell arc he was conflicted as fuck and this rage was the last trigger to realize what he has to do. Goku even tried to get it out all the time.
Instead of building up on it Toriyama completely scrapped and TOEI is doing even more.
But that's it. There is no need to talk about Buu arc Gohan, even if Mystic or not, and the current one.
Future Gohan is still the best
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I think we can both agree on that.Kishido wrote:Future Gohan is still the best
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Re: Why was Gohan the only hybrid to have rage bossts
Because Gohan had much more normal upbringings during peace compared to Goku and was forced to deal with shit way beyond any other kid his age could even imagine.
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Re: Why was Gohan the only hybrid to have rage bossts
Not true at all. Great Saiyaman, being a scholar, fighting for selfless reasons, his respect for his mentors (Specifically requested outfits that looked like Goku and Piccolo's), and his rage boost ability makes him unique. That's not why fans cling onto the ability at all. They cling on to it because it being a Gohan only trait, because it makes absolutely no sense for other characters to be suddenly rage boosting when they never did it before.Lord Beerus wrote:Which is why fans cling on to him having his "Rage Boost" ability, because if you take that away from him, he's got nothing unique to offer.Kishido wrote:No there is nothing unique about Gohan besides him being a scholar
To answer the thread: it's probably Gohan's gentle personality. He didn't like doing harm, so he subconsciously limited his power at all times. Only when angry was he able to truly show how much power he had. Would also explain why he hasn't rage boosted since. He's learnt to use more of his full power.
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Re: Why was Gohan the only hybrid to have rage bossts
Because Gohan always had a huge dormant potential to unlock, while the Goten and Trunks had a huge starting point. They literally already had the best rage boost in the series, Super Saiyan.
When Gohan passed that point, there were no more rage boosts. He got angry when Spopovich beat up Videl and didn't had a rage boost.
When Gohan passed that point, there were no more rage boosts. He got angry when Spopovich beat up Videl and didn't had a rage boost.
Re: Why was Gohan the only hybrid to have rage bossts
We just saw Future Trunks get a rage boost, so we can assume present Trunks does too. But we've never even seen them get mad enough to have a rage boost so we can't really say it's unique to Gohan until they're in a situation to get one.
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Being a scholar means jack shit because we never actually see what his job as a scholar is. Fighting for selfess reason and respecting mentors are both traits that all of the cast have, so at this stage, so it's nothing unique to Gohan at all.kinisking wrote:Not true at all. Great Saiyaman, being a scholar, fighting for selfless reasons, his respect for his mentors (Specifically requested outfits that looked like Goku and Piccolo's), and his rage boost ability makes him unique. That's not why fans cling onto the ability at all. They cling on to it because it being a Gohan only trait, because it makes absolutely no sense for other characters to be suddenly rage boosting when they never did it before.Lord Beerus wrote:Which is why fans cling on to him having his "Rage Boost" ability, because if you take that away from him, he's got nothing unique to offer.Kishido wrote:No there is nothing unique about Gohan besides him being a scholar
To answer the thread: it's probably Gohan's gentle personality. He didn't like doing harm, so he subconsciously limited his power at all times. Only when angry was he able to truly show how much power he had. Would also explain why he hasn't rage boosted since. He's learnt to use more of his full power.
I will admit, I get a kick out of his Great Saiyaman gimmick. But that shtick hasn't added anything of worth to the plot other than some cheap laughs. Not that that's a necessarily bad thing.
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