Unpopular DB opinions

[ekrolo2]

There's more ways to torture than physical, homie and Cell did more to Gohan psychologically than Freeza.

Also Cell did more than just beat up people. He killed many people as well nearly killing his master and Tien for no good reason.

#16 'died' trying to save Earth and in the cruelest fashion ever. He wasn't just done robot who died.

I don't see how beating him and his friends up is worse than Freeza murdering two of his friends while he's completely helpless to watch on top of massacring his master into a bloody piece of green meat, beating him up then wrecking his dad. 16 might've died protecting the planet but Gohan knows nothing about him besides the fact he told Goku he was designed to kill him, its the equivilent to Goku seeing Dende die then becoming a Super Saiyan because of it. Sure its a terrible thing to see but Cell smashing 16 is NOT justified like Freeza killing Krillin was for Goku.

Gohan vs Cell does not work until Goku dies, it just doesn't.

[Anime Kitten]

Yeah, its really weird how Trunks supposedly look up to Gohan as this great mentor figure and he does practically nothing with past Gohan at all throughout the entire story.

I think Trunks just respects him because of how he views Future Gohan.

[ekrolo2]

Yeah, its really weird how Trunks supposedly look up to Gohan as this great mentor figure and he does practically nothing with past Gohan at all throughout the entire story.

I think Trunks just respects him because of how he views Future Gohan.

So? Respect doesn't mean avoiding the kid, you'd think Trunks seeing his mentor, even as a kid who he doesn't really know would be a bigger deal for him but it really isn't. The two barely interact and if it wasn't for the Trunks special, I'd never even guess the two knew one another at all in the future.

[Anime Kitten]

So? Respect doesn't mean avoiding the kid, you'd think Trunks seeing his mentor, even as a kid who he doesn't really know would be a bigger deal for him but it really isn't. The two barely interact and if it wasn't for the Trunks special, I'd never even guess the two knew one another at all in the future.

Obviously, they had a secret conversation.
Trunks: "Hey, Gohan..."
Gohan: "Trunks? Dude? This is creepy. You're trying to talk to a young version of your dead mentor."
Trunks:

[ekrolo2]

So? Respect doesn't mean avoiding the kid, you'd think Trunks seeing his mentor, even as a kid who he doesn't really know would be a bigger deal for him but it really isn't. The two barely interact and if it wasn't for the Trunks special, I'd never even guess the two knew one another at all in the future.

Obviously, they had a secret conversation.
Trunks: "Hey, Gohan..."
Gohan: "Trunks? Dude? This is creepy. You're trying to talk to a young version of your dead mentor."
Trunks:

Its funny because Gohan is dead

*somewhere out there, kinisking prepares for war with me*

[Kanassa]

This ight just be because I havn't rewatch the final fight of the Cell Arc in a while, but when the hell was it even hinted that Vegeta started giving a damn about Trunks before Trunks was death beamed?

[ABED]

This ight just be because I havn't rewatch the final fight of the Cell Arc in a while, but when the hell was it even hinted that Vegeta started giving a damn about Trunks before Trunks was death beamed?

There's no one single moment, it's a confluence of things.

[visser]

I think the actual fight scenes in GT are way better than in super, is that even an unpopular opinion?

[DBZAOTA482]

There's more ways to torture than physical, homie and Cell did more to Gohan psychologically than Freeza.

Also Cell did more than just beat up people. He killed many people as well nearly killing his master and Tien for no good reason.

#16 'died' trying to save Earth and in the cruelest fashion ever. He wasn't just done robot who died.

I don't see how beating him and his friends up is worse than Freeza murdering two of his friends while he's completely helpless to watch on top of massacring his master into a bloody piece of green meat, beating him up then wrecking his dad. 16 might've died protecting the planet but Gohan knows nothing about him besides the fact he told Goku he was designed to kill him, its the equivilent to Goku seeing Dende die then becoming a Super Saiyan because of it. Sure its a terrible thing to see but Cell smashing 16 is NOT justified like Freeza killing Krillin was for Goku.

Gohan vs Cell does not work until Goku dies, it just doesn't.

You're not considering the psychological aspect. Cell was actively trying to make Gohan snap ignoring his warnings and had his children slowly torture the Z-Warriors to death (all except Trunks can't be revived) least he rages just so he can be a challenge.

Gohan saw #16 try to sacrifice himself to kill Cell in vain but is reduced to nothing but a head and he was pleading for Gohan to drop his restraints so he can protect the nature and animals that he, too, had loved... only to be callously crushed by Cell.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I think the actual fight scenes in GT are way better than in super, is that even an unpopular opinion?

I'd say that it's more consistent, GT's best never reached episode 66 levels, and GT's worst never stooped to episode 5 levels.

[Overlord78]

I think the actual fight scenes in GT are way better than in super, is that even an unpopular opinion?

Not sure if it is but I agree that the majority of GT's fights are better than all the fights in Super apart from a few outliers e.g. Vegetto vs Merged Zamasu.

I think both the manga and anime version of Super are awful and should have never been made. They should have stuck to making movies even though BOG has been the only decent thing to come out of modern dragon ball.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I'd forgive a dub with a replacement score if the score was well done, fits the show and the option for seeing the dub with the original score is available.

I feel the same about editing.

[rereboy]

You're not considering the psychological aspect. Cell was actively trying to make Gohan snap ignoring his warnings and had his children slowly torture the Z-Warriors to death (all except Trunks can't be revived) least he rages just so he can be a challenge.

Gohan saw #16 try to sacrifice himself to kill Cell in vain but is reduced to nothing but a head and he was pleading for Gohan to drop his restraints so he can protect the nature and animals that he, too, had loved... only to be callously crushed by Cell.

Psychologically, that shouldn't make a difference.

Cell wasn't being a bigger monster than previous villains (namely, Freeza) and he wasn't doing/threatening to do worse things than previous villains (namely Freeza), aka hurting and killing everyone Gohan cared about and eventually destroying Earth.

Gohan had no real/deep connection with #16 that could justify his death making a difference, especially since apparently Gohan had no special reaction when Cell crushed #16 the first time (I mean, before #16's head starts talking to Gohan, Gohan probably thought that he was already dead...).

Finally, #16's speech has no business meaning more to Gohan than the torture and imminent death of all his friends and family.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

You're not considering the psychological aspect. Cell was actively trying to make Gohan snap ignoring his warnings and had his children slowly torture the Z-Warriors to death (all except Trunks can't be revived) least he rages just so he can be a challenge.

Gohan saw #16 try to sacrifice himself to kill Cell in vain but is reduced to nothing but a head and he was pleading for Gohan to drop his restraints so he can protect the nature and animals that he, too, had loved... only to be callously crushed by Cell.

Psychologically, that shouldn't make a difference.

Cell wasn't being a bigger monster than previous villains (namely, Freeza) and he wasn't doing/threatening to do worse things than previous villains (namely Freeza), aka hurting and killing everyone Gohan cared about and eventually destroying Earth.

Gohan had no real/deep connection with #16 that could justify his death making a difference, especially since apparently Gohan had no special reaction when Cell crushed #16 the first time (I mean, before #16's head starts talking to Gohan, Gohan probably thought that he was already dead...).

Finally, #16's speech has no business meaning more to Gohan than the torture and imminent death of all his friends and family.

Having just read that part of them manga, it comes off as more of a "straw that broke the camel's back". Also, 16 had just explained to him why letting his rage go was a good thing, which was probably a factor.

Actually, I was quite surprised how, in hindsight, the anime handled that scene so poorly.

[DBZAOTA482]

You're not considering the psychological aspect. Cell was actively trying to make Gohan snap ignoring his warnings and had his children slowly torture the Z-Warriors to death (all except Trunks can't be revived) least he rages just so he can be a challenge.

Gohan saw #16 try to sacrifice himself to kill Cell in vain but is reduced to nothing but a head and he was pleading for Gohan to drop his restraints so he can protect the nature and animals that he, too, had loved... only to be callously crushed by Cell.

Psychologically, that shouldn't make a difference.

Cell wasn't being a bigger monster than previous villains (namely, Freeza) and he wasn't doing/threatening to do worse things than previous villains (namely Freeza), aka hurting and killing everyone Gohan cared about and eventually destroying Earth.

Gohan had no real/deep connection with #16 that could justify his death making a difference, especially since apparently Gohan had no special reaction when Cell crushed #16 the first time (I mean, before #16's head starts talking to Gohan, Gohan probably thought that he was already dead...).

Finally, #16's speech has no business meaning more to Gohan than the torture and imminent death of all his friends and family.

Having just read that part of them manga, it comes off as more of a "straw that broke the camel's back". Also, 16 had just explained to him why letting his rage go was a good thing, which was probably a factor.

Actually, I was quite surprised how, in hindsight, the anime handled that scene so poorly.

How exactly?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Having just read that part of them manga, it comes off as more of a "straw that broke the camel's back". Also, 16 had just explained to him why letting his rage go was a good thing, which was probably a factor.

Actually, I was quite surprised how, in hindsight, the anime handled that scene so poorly.

How exactly?

The anime left the impression that 16's death is what finally emboldened Gohan. In the manga, like I just said, 16 was the straw that broke the camel's back. It's a subtle difference, but an important one.

[ABED]

While I can understand that, it strikes me as false that Gohan didn't already understand that it's okay to fight to defend your values.

[dbs fanboy]

GT is the most creative series in the franchise (bringing concepts from the past and expanding them) and super is the series with the most potential and more interesting lore (gods vs mortals) in this franchise since the Freeza saga.

[rereboy]

You're not considering the psychological aspect. Cell was actively trying to make Gohan snap ignoring his warnings and had his children slowly torture the Z-Warriors to death (all except Trunks can't be revived) least he rages just so he can be a challenge.

Gohan saw #16 try to sacrifice himself to kill Cell in vain but is reduced to nothing but a head and he was pleading for Gohan to drop his restraints so he can protect the nature and animals that he, too, had loved... only to be callously crushed by Cell.

Psychologically, that shouldn't make a difference.

Cell wasn't being a bigger monster than previous villains (namely, Freeza) and he wasn't doing/threatening to do worse things than previous villains (namely Freeza), aka hurting and killing everyone Gohan cared about and eventually destroying Earth.

Gohan had no real/deep connection with #16 that could justify his death making a difference, especially since apparently Gohan had no special reaction when Cell crushed #16 the first time (I mean, before #16's head starts talking to Gohan, Gohan probably thought that he was already dead...).

Finally, #16's speech has no business meaning more to Gohan than the torture and imminent death of all his friends and family.

Having just read that part of them manga, it comes off as more of a "straw that broke the camel's back". Also, 16 had just explained to him why letting his rage go was a good thing, which was probably a factor.

Actually, I was quite surprised how, in hindsight, the anime handled that scene so poorly.

The idea of being the "straw that broke the camel's back" works in theory, but how it was executed doesn't.

Like I said, Gohan had already seen #16 apparently die with no special reaction to it... And #16's speech also had no apparent special meaning to Gohan in light of the fact that Cell had just said to his Cell Jrs to "finish" Gohan's friends and family... #16's being the last straw instead of Cell's order to finish his friends and family just doesn't work, and in fact, it shouldn't even have distracted Gohan since his friends and family were about to die... I mean, if a villain is ordering his minions to kill your friends and family and they are about to do it, why the heck do you care if a robot's head, that you didn't even care about or knew, lands in your feet...? Why would you even be distracted by it...?

[WittyUsername]

I'm not sure if I mentioned this a couple of years ago when I was still new to Kanzenshuu, but I kind of prefer Sonny Strait's Bardock over Masako Nozawa's take. That's not to say that I dislike Nozawa as Bardock, but I like the idea of having the male members of Goku's family being voiced by different people, and I think Sonny Strait's Bardock was pretty fitting.

It's just too bad that the Funimation dub for the Bardock special was so drastically different from the Japanese version that it practically had a different plot. If Funimation were to redub any of their past Dragon Ball related dubs, that would be the one in most dire need of it.