It's been way too long since I posted, so I'm just gonna do match-ups from the last 10 pages, Even that's going to be a challenge at this point...
dragonball0900 wrote:Hey guys, what if Lord Slug (the Movie 4 villian) vs Salza (from Movie 5, the strongest of Cooler's Armored Squadron) if we assume the Goku who fought Lord Slug is the Goku from Ginyu Saga?
In my book, Slug's power ranged from equivalent to Ginyu's aaaall the way up to 2nd-form Freeza's. Meanwhile, Sauzer's power level is officially 170,000. So he can beat the old and decrepit Slug, but young Slug thrashes him.
DSB wrote:Pui Pui vs #18 [no 10x gravity planet]
Eighteen is much stronger than Freeza, who's still notably stronger than the Boo-arc base Saiyans, and one of those Boo-arc base Saiyans exterminated Pui-Pui near effortlessly. Hence it's even easier for Eighteen.
Angelus wrote:Initial #19 and #20 VS Piccolo (no weighted clothing on), Base Gohan, Yamcha, Tien, Krillin, Chiaotzu
[All Androids Saga, Pre-Kami Fusion. No Tribeam/Kienzan/Solar Flare. Absorbing allowed]
There's a
veeeeery small chance that Piccolo
might not be able to beat both Androids, based on how strategically they fight him. Since they can't be sensed, they might be able to work out some sort of sneak-attack and absorb enough of his energy to gain the advantage in the 2-in-1 fight.
But that's not likely. He's got such a power edge that he'd probably be able to just thrash them outright from the start, and even though the rest of the heroes team is useless in actual combat here, they'd at least be able to do things like keep watch and warn Piccolo if either of the Androids is trying to do something funny.
dragonball0900 wrote:Gohan from Android Saga vs 4th Form Frieza. No 50% or 100% allowed. This is the Frieza who killed Vegeta and from the beginning of the fight with Goku. Frieza is available to use no hands too.
I consider them very similar in power
(both around 4 million), but my gut tells me that Freeza's the more effective fighter all-around and wins.
nickzambuto wrote:Dragon Ball Humans Run the Vegeta Gauntlet!
The humans are an amalgam of all official material, canon or non canon, including anime filler, movies, and even video games. How far do they get, both with and without knowledge of the fusion dance?
Towa-controlled supervillain Yamcha from Xenoverse 2 solos the entire list.
Discounting all the goofy extra stuff that's not part of the main story... I think even Kuririn only capped out at a power level of 150k or so, and he's the strongest. So they beat Saiyan-arc Vegeta pretty handily, but all hit a brick wall against end-of-Namek Vegeta
(who's most likely comfortably over 2 million). Their best hope would be for Tenshinhan to somehow critically injure him with a Shin Kikoho or two, weakening him enough for them to finish off as a group. But even if
THAT works, Super Saiyan Androids-arc Vegeta is on a whole crazy new level that they'll never defeat. Even Fusion probably wouldn't be enough.
RedShift wrote:Back in the Fusion-Arc days, Super Buu absorbs the following; Janemba, Hirudegarn, Dabura, Super P. Cell, and Freeza.
Redonkulous Buu faces SS3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, Majin Vegeta, SS3 Goku, and Pikkon.
The group fights as a collective unit against Redonkulous Buu on the sacred world of the Kai's, with five sensu beans to use amongst them.
Can they kill Buu without resorting to Goku & Vegeta doing fusion?
Just absorbing Janemba and Hirudegarn alone nearly triples Evil Boo's power, already making him significantly stronger than and the rest of the absorbed villains are just icing on the cake. That makes him several times stronger than even Gotenks or Gohan, the main heavy hitters among the heroes... so the team here is pretty much completely boned. It really would take Vegetto or Gogeta to win this.
MatrixChap wrote:I've got a fight: A one-on-one-on-one of Android #16 vs. #17 vs. #18. Who wins using their power levels from before Cell absorbed #17?
Sixteen is
significantly stronger than the other two, and could probably manhandle both of them at the same time. Just like Cell
(#16's equal) was able to do to Seventeen and Piccolo.
Ki Breaker wrote:•Serious roshi vs raditz
•Serious roshi vs nappa
•Serious roshi vs whole Dragonball
I am confident he can beat them all, because apparently roshi was always as strong as in RoF, he was just not feeling the need to get serious..
And now in universe survival arc he is in the team... That guy is hiding his power from the beginning of db, it was all a farse guys... All of it
Toriyama's input about Muten Roshi in
Resurrection F has a bad tendency to get mis-quoted and mis-interpreted... He didn't say that Muten Roshi
always was this strong, rather
as Herms put it he said that "he
could have been this strong all along had he put his mind to it." That implies improvement through training over time, not some big act where he just chose not to show his true power all this time, and even
died at one point because of it.
Anyway, I don't think this improved Roshi is necessarily all
that strong, especially compared to the other younger Earthlings who have gone through some crazy stuff to make their powers skyrocket. I like to think he's got a PL of a few thousand in his buffed-up state, probably enough to go mano-a-mano with Nappa, maybe. That said, the stronger Muten Roshi can at least spank Raditz on your list.
Ki Breaker wrote:• Namek Freeza vs serious Goten
• Android 16 vs Frost
• Ultimate Gohan vs base Goku
• Spopovich vs Roshi
• name the strongest person Videl can beat
- If Goten's a Super Saiyan and fighting to win, then Freeza gets spanked. The kids were even stronger than Android 18 and only a few steps behind their fathers.
- Super. Don't know, don't care. Next.
- I hope you mean Goku's godly-ki-empowered "beyond god" state from the new stuff, and not just regular base Goku from before. If so, then Goku can win pretty easily. If not, then Gohan wins
very, incredibly, unbelievably easily. No amount of Gohan-ness will let him screw up a battle THAT one-sided.
- If it's the improved Muten Roshi from
Resurrection F, who I believe is sporting a power level of a few thousand, then he can smack Spopovich down pretty easily. Spopovich and Yamu's zombie-like Majin state makes them abnormally resilient, but not immortal as shown when... well, Bobbidi and Pui-Pui killed them. So Roshi could easily eradicate Spopovich completely with a Kamehameha if that's what it takes to win.
- Uh... I dunno, pick a random schmo from the 21st Tournament semi-finals or something, I guess? I think her training to use her ki naturally caused her power level to rise somewhat, but not extremely. She'd be sporting a PL of something like 20 or 30.
dragonball0900 wrote:Piccolo (Cell Games) vs USSJ Trunks (with slowing weakness)
Piccolo (Cell Games) vs USSJ Trunks (without the slowing weakness)
Piccolo's about as strong as Grade-2 Vegeta was in my book. So he can outmaneuver the slow Trunks but not really fight him directly, and plainly loses to the not-slow Trunks.
nickzambuto wrote:What was larger, the gap between Piccolo and Raditz or the gap between Piccolo and Nappa?
Well that's easy to figure out, because we have official numbers for all of them...
Raditz: 1,500
Piccolo: 408
Nappa: 4,000
Piccolo: 1,220-3,500
Although Piccolo has two power levels for the fight against Nappa, with presumably one being his relaxed level and the other being his max output when attacking or something... but either way, it's pretty obvious that the proportional difference was much bigger against Raditz. The big-haired Saiyan was almost 4x stronger than Piccolo, who was only able to mostly close that gap with the super-charged power of his Makankosappo, while Nappa ranged between a little over 3x to less than 1.2x stronger than Piccolo.
Angelus wrote:- Manga Imperfect Cell (Post-humans absorption) VS #17, #18, Kamiccolo (no weighted clothing on), SSJ Vegeta, healthy SSJ Goku, SSJ Future Trunks (All SSJ's are pre-ROSAT)
- Initial Android 20 VS Manga Androids Saga; pre-ROSAT Base Gohan (additively and permanently given the full power levels of Androids Saga Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu)-- No Ki Attacks or absorbing allowed
- SSJ Goku (Yardrat) VS Initial Android 19-- No absorbing allowed
- Future #17 and #18 VS Android #13, #14, #15
- Cell's stronger than all of them, but I doubt he's so much stronger that he could beat them all at once.
- Gohan is so much stronger than all the Earthlings that adding their power levels to his would hardly add a small bump to his total. Android 20, meanwhile, is probably at least almost as strong as 100% Freeza, and can still effortlessly beat Gohan.
- Goku's healthy, fighting at full power, and 19 isn't allowed to absorb ki from him? The Android gets completely wrecked.
- I'd like to think that even the somewhat-weaker future Android twins are still strong enough that they can handle their trio of predecessors here. The Super Saiyans in the movie beat them without too much trouble once they remembered they could transform and fought them all-out.
Doctor. wrote:Kuririn (versus Freeza) vs The Ginyu Force
With a PL of at least 75,000
(and possibly still rising), Kuririn could sweep through the trio of Recoome, Butta, and Jheese almost as easily as Goku did. But that's not the entire Ginyu Force... They
might be able to beat him if Gurd's telekinesis proves useful enough, and they can
definitely beat him if Captain Ginyu himself joins in and does the bulk of the fighting.
Sailor Haumea wrote:Zen-Oh (full power) vs. Toribot (full power)
Bitch, who do you think
created the Omni-King? The almighty Tori-Bot's ability to shape all the DB universes according to his whims makes the Omni-King's mere universe-destroying capabilities look like a kid playing with marbles by comparison.
Angelus wrote:Androids Saga: Krillin VS Tien
[Specifics, Tien is hovering above Krillin, firing a Tribeam at full power. Krillin, below him stands on grounds that has molten magma/lava lake, a few meters directly underneath it. Krillin throws a full power Kienzan at Tien's direction. It becomes a "beam struggle" between Krillin's Kienzan and Tien's Tribeam. Who will die first? Will the Kienzan cut Tien in half or would the Tribeam ram Krillin into the ground and sink into the magma/lava lake]
Well if THIS is how you're going to match them against each other, I don't see how Kuririn could win. Neither the Kikoho or Kienzan lend themselves well to the "beam clash" motif, and they're such wildly different attacks anyway. But for some reason, I don't see the Kienzan "winning" it. It's focused and formed in a very specialized way, and I can't imagine it doing anything but completely dissipating when something like the Kikoho slams into it.
dragonball0900 wrote:SSJ3 Goku (BOG arc) vs SSJ3 Gotenks (Buu arc)
At best, Goku's moderately stronger than his Boo-arc self from ~5 years ago. It's
extremely unlikely he's surpassed the probably multi-fold power gap between himself and Gotenks, and all but impossible when you factor in his base form still being inferior to Freeza. There's only so much improvement he could make over the years even as a Super Saiyan/2/3 and yet still be below 120 million when his top power is divided by 50/100/400.
Angelus wrote:Android #14 VS Piccolo (Pre-Kami fusion; no weighted clothing on), Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu
[Z Warriors are during Androids Saga. No Kienzan/Tribeam/Solar Flare/Paralysis allowed]
Androids Saga Pre-ROSAT SSJ Vegeta VS Android #19 and #20
[Vegeta knows about their absorption capabilities beforehand]
Saiyan Saga: Chiaotzu VS Yajirobe with sword
- The Earthlings are inconsequential, but I don't think Piccolo would even need their help anyway. He's not all that far behind the Androids-era Super Saiyans, who were able to smash 14 and 15 without too much trouble once they were miraculously granted the ability to transform and fought seriously.
- As long as Vegeta avoids having any significant amount of his ki absorbed, then he can pick apart both Androids at the same time.
- Yajirobe's got more raw strength, but Chaozu's more skilled with ki and has better tricks, so... flip a coin.
