Unpopular DB opinions

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I like the idea of having the male members of Goku's family being voiced by different people, and I think Sonny Strait's Bardock was pretty fitting.

Even though Goku and Bardock look exactly alike?

[WittyUsername]

I like the idea of having the male members of Goku's family being voiced by different people, and I think Sonny Strait's Bardock was pretty fitting.

Even though Goku and Bardock look exactly alike?

I'm not really sure what your point is. I'm not saying they have to be voiced by different people (they were voiced by the same person in the Japanese version after all) but since they're very different characters, I kind of like the idea of them being portrayed by different people.

I'm not trying to belittle Masako Nozawa by any means. She's a fantastic Goku, and I don't even mind her as Bardock, but I kind of like Sonny Strait's Bardock better. That's all.

[ABED]

I get Goku and Raditz not having the same actor, but Goku and Bardock look EXACTLY alike. It seems odd they wouldn't have the same actor.

[Forte224]

I get Goku and Raditz not having the same actor, but Goku and Bardock look EXACTLY alike. It seems odd they wouldn't have the same actor.

I guess I don't get that. Identical faces doesn't mean identical voices

[WittyUsername]

I get Goku and Raditz not having the same actor, but Goku and Bardock look EXACTLY alike. It seems odd they wouldn't have the same actor.

I wouldn't say they look EXACTLY alike. There's a striking resemblance obviously, but Bardock does have some slightly "darker" looking facial features, and their general demeanor is about as different as it gets. Of course, Nozawa did do a good job of reflecting those differences by having Bardock speak in a more mature and indifferent tone, but I don't see why looking alike means they necessarily have to have the same voice actor.

[ABED]

I get Goku and Raditz not having the same actor, but Goku and Bardock look EXACTLY alike. It seems odd they wouldn't have the same actor.

I guess I don't get that. Identical faces doesn't mean identical voices

That's been my experience when dealing with genuine identical twins.

their general demeanor is about as different as it gets

Yes on the darker skin, but demeanor is personality.

I like the idea of having the male members of Goku's family being voiced by different people

Why exactly or is it just subjective preference? I like that it hammers home the fact that they're family. In the case of Tullece, while he's not family, having the same actor highlights how different they are in spite of looking alike.

[Forte224]

I get Goku and Raditz not having the same actor, but Goku and Bardock look EXACTLY alike. It seems odd they wouldn't have the same actor.

I guess I don't get that. Identical faces doesn't mean identical voices

That's been my experience when dealing with genuine identical twins.

their general demeanor is about as different as it gets

Yes on the darker skin, but demeanor is personality.

I like the idea of having the male members of Goku's family being voiced by different people

Why exactly or is it just subjective preference? I like that it hammers home the fact that they're family. In the case of Tullece, while he's not family, having the same actor highlights how different they are in spite of looking alike.

Yeah I suppose you're right, though twins do have slightly different voices as regards pitch and whatnot, but Nozawa does change her pitch for each family member.

As regards the actual topic in question here, once I really gave the Japanese dub a chance and now prefer it, I've heard the differences Nozawa makes in pitch and delivery between each member. After this, I saw Gohan, Goku, Goten, etc. as having separate voices that have some similarities. Someone that hasn't watched the Japanese dub long enough though probably assumes they all sound the exactly same.

I mean, her Gohan and Goku at the same age sound significantly different from each other

[WittyUsername]

I get Goku and Raditz not having the same actor, but Goku and Bardock look EXACTLY alike. It seems odd they wouldn't have the same actor.

I guess I don't get that. Identical faces doesn't mean identical voices

That's been my experience when dealing with genuine identical twins.

their general demeanor is about as different as it gets

Yes on the darker skin, but demeanor is personality.

I like the idea of having the male members of Goku's family being voiced by different people

Why exactly or is it just subjective preference? I like that it hammers home the fact that they're family. In the case of Tullece, while he's not family, having the same actor highlights how different they are in spite of looking alike.

Bardock and Goku aren't twins. I'm also not just talking about their skin color, there are some subtle differences in their facial structures. I'm also well aware that demeanors are personalities. That's what I was referring to.

It's a subjective preference for me because I think it helps highlight their different personalities. I can't really imagine Sean Schemmel pulling off Bardock the way Sonny Strait does.

Again, it's not a requirement to me, but it's just something I like. I don't really see why that's so confusing.

[DBZAOTA482]

You're not considering the psychological aspect. Cell was actively trying to make Gohan snap ignoring his warnings and had his children slowly torture the Z-Warriors to death (all except Trunks can't be revived) least he rages just so he can be a challenge.

Gohan saw #16 try to sacrifice himself to kill Cell in vain but is reduced to nothing but a head and he was pleading for Gohan to drop his restraints so he can protect the nature and animals that he, too, had loved... only to be callously crushed by Cell.

Psychologically, that shouldn't make a difference.

Cell wasn't being a bigger monster than previous villains (namely, Freeza) and he wasn't doing/threatening to do worse things than previous villains (namely Freeza), aka hurting and killing everyone Gohan cared about and eventually destroying Earth.

Gohan had no real/deep connection with #16 that could justify his death making a difference, especially since apparently Gohan had no special reaction when Cell crushed #16 the first time (I mean, before #16's head starts talking to Gohan, Gohan probably thought that he was already dead...).

Finally, #16's speech has no business meaning more to Gohan than the torture and imminent death of all his friends and family.

It makes a hell of a lot difference psychologically. Cell was actively going out of his way to provoke Gohan despite his warnings and Gohan was trying his best to force out his hidden powers but afraid of losing control.

Gohan was visibly devastated when Cell blasted #16 to pieces and it's not so much his 'death' that pushed him over the edge but what he represented and the cruelty in his fate. His only 'dying' wish for Gohan to finally stop being afraid of losing control to protect the nature and animals he, too, had loved.... and you can't tell #16's final moment as nothing but a head isn't the most pitiful moment in the entire series.

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Again, it's not a requirement to me, but it's just something I like. I don't really see why that's so confusing.

Why are you assuming I'm confused?

I can't really imagine Sean Schemmel pulling off Bardock the way Sonny Strait does.

Because you haven't heard it.

[Dbzfan94]

I'm gonna go the opposite and say I don't like multiple members of the same family having the same voice.

[WittyUsername]

Again, it's not a requirement to me, but it's just something I like. I don't really see why that's so confusing.

Why are you assuming I'm confused?

That was what I assumed based on your question.

I can't really imagine Sean Schemmel pulling off Bardock the way Sonny Strait does.

Because you haven't heard it.[/quote]

I'm familiar with a lot of Sean Schemmel's roles, and I'm not so sure he would be the best fit for Bardock. I'd have to imagine that he'd likely use his SSJ4 voice for Bardock like he did with Black in Xenoverse 2, which seems like it can be a bit forced.

[ABED]

I get that you've heard Schemmel, but you haven't heard him voice Bardock. We can both imagine or not imagine it in our heads, but that's different from actually hearing what the performance would be.

That was what I assumed based on your question.

Obviously, but why? What about the question implies confusion. I'm not puzzled, I just don't understand why because you didn't give me a reason why you prefer different voices.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I can't really imagine Sean Schemmel pulling off Bardock the way Sonny Strait does.

Just want to note that if you research Schemmel's roles, you'd probably come to the conclusion that not only could he voice a good Bardock, but probably emulate Strait's if he really wanted to. The Bardock performance wasn't unique or difficult to match in any sense of the word.

[WittyUsername]

That was what I assumed based on your question.

Obviously, but why? What about the question implies confusion. I'm not puzzled, I just don't understand why because you didn't give me a reason why you prefer different voices.

I mentioned earlier, the reason I prefer thawing different voices for each of the characters is because I think it sets them apart better and helps emphasize the differences in their personalities. This isn't a jab at Nozawa by any means, since she does a pretty good job of distinguishing the voices for people like Goku and Bardock, but I just like having a greater abundance of voice actors for different characters.

That's the same reason why I was never too crazy about how Chris Sabat was used to voice virtually every other character back in the day.

[WittyUsername]

I can't really imagine Sean Schemmel pulling off Bardock the way Sonny Strait does.

Just want to note that if you research Schemmel's roles, you'd probably come to the conclusion that not only could he voice a good Bardock, but probably emulate Strait's if he really wanted to. The Bardock performance wasn't unique or difficult to match in any sense of the word.

I know about most of his roles, I've even heard him voice Batman at one point. He's a good voice actor, but once you're familiar with his voice, his roles are pretty easy to spot.

[8000 Saiyan]

I was surprised that Schemmel voiced Black Doom (just a Dr. Claw impression). The guy definitely has range.

[rereboy]

It makes a hell of a lot difference psychologically. Cell was actively going out of his way to provoke Gohan despite his warnings and Gohan was trying his best to force out his hidden powers but afraid of losing control.

Gohan was visibly devastated when Cell blasted #16 to pieces and it's not so much his 'death' that pushed him over the edge but what he represented and the cruelty in his fate. His only 'dying' wish for Gohan to finally stop being afraid of losing control to protect the nature and animals he, too, had loved.... and you can't tell #16's final moment as nothing but a head isn't the most pitiful moment in the entire series.

The fact that Cell was acting as he was as a provocation, is not as cruel as the actual torturing of the gang and the killing of of #16, and regardless of how sad and cruel #16's death is, it simply doesn't make sense for his death, despite being sad and cruel, to be a significant tipping point for Gohan immediately after he hears Cell order his minions to kill off his friends and family... Psychologically, immediately after hearing Cell ordering that and realizing that his family and friends are about to die, the death of #16, despite being sad and cruel, shouldn't even register significantly on Gohan's mind.

Also, even if it's sad an cruel, it's still not anywhere as evil and cruel as, for example, Freeza exterminating a village, promising to spare the children if they give them what they want, and then, after he gets what he wants, joyfully declaring that he is going to kill them all anyway, the helpless children included... This is the level of cruelty and evil that Gohan has seen and fought before, and Cell finishing off #16, despite being sad, doesn't or shouldn't reach that level because a) Gohan had no more of a relationship with #16 than he had with the Nameks, and b) #16 wasn't an helpless child...

Finally, "visibly devastated"...? Gohan had exactly two panels of reaction in the manga to it. In both of them he just had an expression of surprise/shock. That's the extent of Gohan's reaction to it. Krillin, for example, had an apparently stronger reaction to it, with him actually looking away from it with his eyes closed, which actually makes sense since Krillin at least seemed to have a sort of understanding with #16.

If the events were executed in another way, perhaps the idea of it being the "straw that breaks the camel's back" could work a lot better, but as it exists, it doesn't work well.

[DBZAOTA482]

It makes a hell of a lot difference psychologically. Cell was actively going out of his way to provoke Gohan despite his warnings and Gohan was trying his best to force out his hidden powers but afraid of losing control.

Gohan was visibly devastated when Cell blasted #16 to pieces and it's not so much his 'death' that pushed him over the edge but what he represented and the cruelty in his fate. His only 'dying' wish for Gohan to finally stop being afraid of losing control to protect the nature and animals he, too, had loved.... and you can't tell #16's final moment as nothing but a head isn't the most pitiful moment in the entire series.

The fact that Cell was acting as he was as a provocation, is not as cruel as the actual torturing of the gang and the killing of of #16, and regardless of how sad and cruel #16's death is, it simply doesn't make sense for his death, despite being sad and cruel, to be a significant tipping point for Gohan immediately after he hears Cell order his minions to kill off his friends and family... Psychologically, immediately after hearing Cell ordering that and realizing that his family and friends are about to die, the death of #16, despite being sad and cruel, shouldn't even register significantly on Gohan's mind.

Also, even if it's sad an cruel, it's still not anywhere as evil and cruel as, for example, Freeza exterminating a village, promising to spare the children if they give them what they want, and then, after he gets what he wants, joyfully declaring that he is going to kill them all anyway, the helpless children included... This is the level of cruelty and evil that Gohan has seen and fought before, and Cell finishing off #16, despite being sad, doesn't or shouldn't reach that level because a) Gohan had no more of a relationship with #16 than he had with the Nameks, and b) #16 wasn't an helpless child...

Finally, "visibly devastated"...? Gohan had exactly two panels of reaction in the manga to it. In both of them he just had an expression of surprise/shock. That's the extent of Gohan's reaction to it. Krillin, for example, had an apparently stronger reaction to it, with him actually looking away from it with his eyes closed, which actually makes sense since Krillin at least seemed to have a sort of understanding with #16.

If the events were executed in another way, perhaps the idea of it being the "straw that breaks the camel's back" could work a lot better, but as it exists, it doesn't work well.

Jesus Christ, Gohan was AVOIDING losing control altogether but Cell kept pushing him despite the boys warnings leaving the boys pleads ignored.

Freeza had the children because they didn't give them what he wanted and #16 was beyond a helpless child. He was nothing but a damaged head and at his last moment, embodied peace and benevolence as opposed to some random Namekian children. It's definitely a more senseless killing as well because #16 was trying to help Gohan reach his apex but Cell kills him anyways because he preferred to torture the anger out of Gohan and mocked the android further.

You're really reaching here....

[kinisking]

I don't think anyone's changing their minds or adding new ideas to this conversation so might as well drop it. Agree to disagree.