Unpopular DB opinions

[DBZAOTA482]

This is beyond appaling. So just because they didnt give the villain what they wanted and they are green aliens they are "Little green fucks" that people shouldnt give a shit about? That can work both ways, that fucking toaster (Coincidentially dressed in green) was designed to kill everyone why should we give a shit about it?

And this is coming from someone who loves 16 and loved the SS2 scene but enough is enough. You are trying to justify the killing of CHILDREN because you dont want your beloved scene to seen as less. This killed the scene for me. THANK YOU.

I'm not justifying it, fool. They're both horrible tragedies that illustrate well how immoral both Freeza and Cell are but the problem here is rereboy is trying to undermine the destruction of #16 just to prove a point.... claiming Gohan shouldn't care about it and that it "bad" writing for it to push him over the edge just because they weren't 'fwends'.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Ok I see. I apologize then. But please try not to resort to such tactics again. You could have said "Gohan knew they could be easily brought back with the Dragon Balls" or something. Because they all indeed were brought back.

[Doctor.]

Ok I see. I apologize then. But please try not to resort to such tactics again. You could have said "Gohan knew they could be easily brought back with the Dragon Balls" or something. Because they all indeed were brought back.

All except the Namekian village that Vegeta slaughtered.

Poor things.

[kinisking]

If I saw someone getting murdered while trying to give me a pep talk, especially after torturing my family and friends , I'd go ape shit. That makes it more than enough of a catalyst for me. You don't have to be best friends with someone to mourn their life. Especially when it'd a character like Gohan that related to a character like 16 on many levels.

[Kaboom]

I'm not justifying it, fool.

It's bad enough that this conversation got as heated as it did already, but there is absolutely zero need or place for this.

[RandomGuy96]

Gohan caring about a piece of machinery being broken is silly. I don't see why this is a debate to be honest.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Gohan caring about a piece of machinery being broken is silly. I don't see why this is a debate to be honest.

That's quite the oversimplification, but whatever. I don't think it matters, the point came across just fine, whether anyone here would personally care about a sentient computer or not.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Gohan caring about a piece of machinery being broken is silly. I don't see why this is a debate to be honest.

That's quite the oversimplification, but whatever. I don't think it matters, the point came across just fine, whether anyone here would personally care about a sentient computer or not.

I'd be pretty fucked up emotionally if my computer broke and it isn't even sentient.

[Lek]

Gohan caring about a piece of machinery being broken is silly. I don't see why this is a debate to be honest.

Objection!
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[rereboy]

Cell didn't have a "bone to pick" with him. He already blasted him to pieces and before, he laughed at the idea that his kamikaze tactic could kill him.

I'm can't follow your train of thought here. Regardless of what #16 did before he is no longer a threat to anyone and Cell never brings up the past. Freeza had the Namekians killed specifically because they didn't give him what he wanted. Not only that but #16 gave more reason to care for him than random Namekians.

#16 attacked Cell and tried to kill him, aka basically the worst thing he could do to Cell besides actually killing him. So, logically, since Cell isn't exactly a good guy, he didn't allow #16 to survive when he noticed that he was still alive.

In comparison, what did the Namekian children do to Freeza? Nothing. In fact, the Nameks gave Freeza what he wanted, the Dragon Ball, specifically after Freeza said that he would spare the children if they gave him what he wanted. Freeza still killed/tried to kill them after that, breaking his promise, even though he already had what he wanted, even though the children had done absolutely nothing to him and even though he didn't gain anything from it besides enjoying killing them.

My train of thought is pretty simple and I can't fathom why you can't follow it. Not even someone who is much of a good guy than Cell, like Vegeta in the Buu arc, would probably allow someone, who had attacked him and tried to kill him, to survive... let alone Cell...

I'm not justifying it, fool. They're both horrible tragedies that illustrate well how immoral both Freeza and Cell are but the problem here is rereboy is trying to undermine the destruction of #16 just to prove a point.... claiming Gohan shouldn't care about it and that it "bad" writing for it to push him over the edge just because they weren't 'fwends'.

That's just wrong. I've specifically said that #16 being destroyed is sad and evil. But compared to the torturing and imminent death of Gohan's friends and family, that Cell had just announced, it should barely register on Gohan's mind in comparison, which is why it's poorly executed.

Like I've previously argued, this is quite simply demonstrated by putting ourselves in Gohan's shoes. If it was our family being tortured and the torturer has just announced that he is about to kill them all, would/should we care much at all that #16 head had just landed besides us? That it was talking? That it had been destroyed? Or that Cell had previously been provoking us? No! All that pales in comparison and it would/should barely register... And since Gohan also cares deeply for his family and friends, his reaction shouldn't be different.

Like I previously asked you, would you care much about all that if it was your family being tortured and about to be murdered...? If your answer is "no", like, by all rights, it should be, then all that needs to be said has already been said. Period.

Finally, I advice you to actually read carefully and interpret carefully what is being said to you so that you don't state inaccurate claims like that I'm "trying to undermine the destruction of #16 just to prove a point". That's just not true.

In any case, I agree that it's hard to say which one was the worst, but my point wasn't really that Freeza was obviously worse than Cell, but that Cell didn't break any record in terms of cruelty, evilness and on being senseless, and Gohan knows that.

There is a difference between Freeza threatening Namek/Namekians and Cell threatening Earth from Gohan's point of view. Earth's Gohan's home after all.

Freeza stated that he would destroy Earth while in Namek and he actually traveled to Earth and tried to destroy it with a giant Ki ball (Trunks stopped him).

[LuckyCat]

compared to the torturing and imminent death of Gohan's friends and family, that Cell had just announced, it should barely register on Gohan's mind in comparison, which is why it's poorly executed.

Like I've previously argued, this is quite simply demonstrated by putting ourselves in Gohan's shoes. If it was our family being tortured and the torturer has just announced that he is about to kill them all, would/should we care much at all that #16 head had just landed besides us? That it was talking? That it had been destroyed? Or that Cell had previously been provoking us? No! All that pales in comparison and it would/should barely register... And since Gohan also cares deeply for his family and friends, his reaction shouldn't be different.

It looked like Gohan was going to get angry either way because of what Cell was doing to his friends, and Android #16's speech pushed Gohan over the top before any of his friends died. I disagree that it's poorly executed, because Android #16 and Gohan are both reluctant fighters and it's pretty clear that they can connect on that level. Using Android #16 for an important scene also gave value to Bulma fixing him, despite Vegeta and the others saying Android #16 was worthless and should be disposed of.

[rereboy]

It looked like Gohan was going to get angry either way because of what Cell was doing to his friends, and Android #16's speech pushed Gohan over the top before any of his friends died. I disagree that it's poorly executed, because Android #16 and Gohan are both reluctant fighters and it's pretty clear that they can connect on that level. Using Android #16 for an important scene also gave value to Bulma fixing him, despite Vegeta and the others saying Android #16 was worthless and should be disposed of.

Like I said before, I understand the "broke the camel's back" logic, and, like I said before, in theory, it could definitely work. However, how is was actually executed, specifically with it happening immediately after Cell orders the Cells Jrs to kill them all, it simply doesn't, because, even though it's sad and evil, #16's head popping up and being destroying shouldn't even be able to distract Gohan from the Cell Jrs about to kill his family and friends mere seconds after Cell orders them to.

With another execution? Sure. But not the one we actually got.

[LuckyCat]

Like I said before, I understand the "broke the camel's back" logic, and, like I said before, in theory, it could definitely work. However, how is was actually executed, specifically with it happening immediately after Cell orders the Cells Jrs to kill them all, it simply doesn't. Even though it's sad and evil, #16's head popping up and being destroying shouldn't even be able to distract Gohan from the Cell Jrs about to kill his family and friends mere seconds after Cell orders them to.

But I'm not saying Android #16 was even necessary for Gohan to get angry, he just got him there faster. If Gohan judged he still had time to save his friends, I don't see why he wouldn't listen to Android #16's advice. Whether he cares for #16 or not, #16 was right in front of Gohan pleading with him. It would be more out of character for him to ignore that.

Now yeah, if Krillin died while Gohan was listening to #16 you may have a point, but the setup seems like Gohan had half a minute to spare here.

[rereboy]

Like I said before, I understand the "broke the camel's back" logic, and, like I said before, in theory, it could definitely work. However, how is was actually executed, specifically with it happening immediately after Cell orders the Cells Jrs to kill them all, it simply doesn't. Even though it's sad and evil, #16's head popping up and being destroying shouldn't even be able to distract Gohan from the Cell Jrs about to kill his family and friends mere seconds after Cell orders them to.

But I'm not saying Android #16 was even necessary for Gohan to get angry, he just got him there prematurely. If Gohan judged he still had time to save his friends, I don't see why he wouldn't listen to Android #16's advice. Whether he cares for #16 or not, #16 was right in front of Gohan pleading with him. It would be more out of character for him to ignore that.

Now yeah, if Krillin died while Gohan was listening to #16 you may have a point, but the setup seems like Gohan had half a minute to spare here.

The events are as follow:

- Cells states: "Kill them all!"
- Gohan is shocked and terrified by this and looks at the Cell Jrs.
- #16's head lands by Gohan's side and Gohan, who was looking at the Cell Jrs because they were about to kill his family and friends, is distracted, pauses, and only pays attention to #16 during his entire speech, which lastes more than enough time for the Cell Jrs to actually deal the finishing blows...

I'm sorry, but... no. That execution doesn't work, imo.

[LuckyCat]

The events are as follow:

- Cells states: "Kill them all!"
- Gohan is shocked and terrified by this and looks at the Cell Jrs.
- #16's head lands by Gohan's side and Gohan, who was looking at the Cell Jrs because they were about to kill his family and friends, is distracted, pauses, and only pays attention to #16 during his entire speech, which lastes more than enough time for the Cell Jrs to actually deal the finishing blows...

Actually I think the anime handled this timing well. Android #16's head landed while Cell was still in the middle of barking orders to the Cell juniors. We don't see what's happening during this time, but the stronger Z fighters are still putting up decent fights against the juniors, helping out their weaker members, but gradually being pushed back. In that context, it appears that Gohan does have time, especially if he lacks confidence to deal with the juniors at that very moment. If that scene had played out without #16, I would imagine Gohan continue to watch helplessly until one of his friends actually died, then he'd get the rage boost he needed to actually help them.

[DBZAOTA482]

#16 attacked Cell and tried to kill him, aka basically the worst thing he could do to Cell besides actually killing him. So, logically, since Cell isn't exactly a good guy, he didn't allow #16 to survive when he noticed that he was still alive.

In comparison, what did the Namekian children do to Freeza? Nothing. In fact, the Nameks gave Freeza what he wanted, the Dragon Ball, specifically after Freeza said that he would spare the children if they gave him what he wanted. Freeza still killed/tried to kill them after that, breaking his promise, even though he already had what he wanted, even though the children had done absolutely nothing to him and even though he didn't gain anything from it besides enjoying killing them.

My train of thought is pretty simple and I can't fathom why you can't follow it. Not even someone who is much of a good guy than Cell, like Vegeta in the Buu arc, would probably allow someone, who had attacked him and tried to kill him, to survive... let alone Cell...

Now you're just rambling. Cell didn't kill #16 because he tried to kill him at that point (he was even a threat to Cell in the first place)... he killed him for being a "nuisance".

How many times do I have to see it? Freeza had the Namekians killed specifically because they didn't give him what he wanted. They give them a dragonball but refused to tell him about the others because they didn't wanna snitch so Freeza had them killed.

That's just wrong. I've specifically said that #16 being destroyed is sad and evil. But compared to the torturing and imminent death of Gohan's friends and family, that Cell had just announced, it should barely register on Gohan's mind in comparison, which is why it's poorly executed.

Like I've previously argued, this is quite simply demonstrated by putting ourselves in Gohan's shoes. If it was our family being tortured and the torturer has just announced that he is about to kill them all, would/should we care much at all that #16 head had just landed besides us? That it was talking? That it had been destroyed? Or that Cell had previously been provoking us? No! All that pales in comparison and it would/should barely register... And since Gohan also cares deeply for his family and friends, his reaction shouldn't be different.

Like I previously asked you, would you care much about all that if it was your family being tortured and about to be murdered...? If your answer is "no", like, by all rights, it should be, then all that needs to be said has already been said. Period.

Finally, I advice you to actually read carefully and interpret carefully what is being said to you so that you don't state inaccurate claims like that I'm "trying to undermine the destruction of #16 just to prove a point". That's just not true.

See, you're doing it again. You're claiming Gohan shouldn't care about #16 and the fact was destroyed just because Cell said to have his friends and family killed. I'm sorry but that's a pretty asshole-ish way of looking at things... I bet you're one of those people who forsake Goku for supposedly saving Mr. Satan and Dende over the boys and Piccolo.

And yes, I could care a lot. In fact I'd fuck up whoever was orchestrating the events.

[Dbzfan94]

Another one:

I really dislike the Japanese movie titles of most of the original movies. They're so vague and needlessly long that they could basically be switched around and still fit. The dub ones are pretty bland but work much better imo

[Nejishiki]

I think most people here agree with that sentiment. It's usually a topic of ridicule from my recollection. A mixture of the titles would be the best of parallel worlds, I think. While we gain advantage through simpler catalog, it's not as if titling some movies by their antagonist is any better in a creative sense.

[ABED]

Another one:

I really dislike the Japanese movie titles of most of the original movies. They're so vague and needlessly long that they could basically be switched around and still fit. The dub ones are pretty bland but work much better imo

Agreed. The sheer length of some of them reminds me of that joke in The Office where Michael thinks up the headline, "Scranton Area Paper Company, Dunder Mifflin, Apologizes to Valued Client; Some Companies Still Know How Business is Done". Sure, some of the US titles are bland, but most of those are just the ones that are the name of the antagonist. I really like Dead Zone, World's Strongest, Fusion Reborn, Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan, Battle of Gods...

[RandomGuy96]

Gohan caring about a piece of machinery being broken is silly. I don't see why this is a debate to be honest.

Objection!
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Dumb filler is dumb.