DragonBall Z Abridged

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by ShadowBardock89 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:46 am

I'll guess the last two:
Vegeta & Frieza.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=40715&start=20#p1439892
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by FoolsGil » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:59 am

Lunatic Fringe wrote:Tenshinhan breaking Yamcha's leg is still more villainous than anything Beerus did in BoG.

Are you arguing for Tenshinhan to be on the list, or Beers to be lower or off the list? Because being on the list is more than committing mayhem. It's also concept and motivation, their impact on the universe, overall execution, and lasting appeal - Even if you are right about Tenshinhan, comparing the two beyond breaking that leg, Tenshinhan drops like a dead weight.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Lunatic Fringe » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:10 am

FoolsGil wrote:
Lunatic Fringe wrote:Tenshinhan breaking Yamcha's leg is still more villainous than anything Beerus did in BoG.

Are you arguing for Tenshinhan to be on the list, or Beers to be lower or off the list? Because being on the list is more than committing mayhem. It's also concept and motivation, their impact on the universe, overall execution, and lasting appeal - Even if you are right about Tenshinhan, comparing the two beyond breaking that leg, Tenshinhan drops like a dead weight.
The latter. Everyone can keep referencing how Beerus destroys planets in the blink of an eye to me as much as they like but I just think that labeling Beerus a villain simplifies his role in the universe when I see him as more of a theological necessity, and not one that appears to take malicious delight in what he does, at least in BoG.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by FoolsGil » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:16 am

Lunatic Fringe wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:
Lunatic Fringe wrote:Tenshinhan breaking Yamcha's leg is still more villainous than anything Beerus did in BoG.

Are you arguing for Tenshinhan to be on the list, or Beers to be lower or off the list? Because being on the list is more than committing mayhem. It's also concept and motivation, their impact on the universe, overall execution, and lasting appeal - Even if you are right about Tenshinhan, comparing the two beyond breaking that leg, Tenshinhan drops like a dead weight.
The latter. Everyone can keep referencing how Beerus destroys planets in the blink of an eye to me as much as they like but I just think that labeling Beerus a villain simplifies his role in the universe when I see him as more of a theological necessity, and not one that appears to take malicious delight in what he does, at least in BoG.
Well what if instead of a villain, he's looked at as an antagonist, or obstacle? Would you consider his spot on the list accurate then?

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Lunatic Fringe » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:23 am

FoolsGil wrote:
Lunatic Fringe wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:

Are you arguing for Tenshinhan to be on the list, or Beers to be lower or off the list? Because being on the list is more than committing mayhem. It's also concept and motivation, their impact on the universe, overall execution, and lasting appeal - Even if you are right about Tenshinhan, comparing the two beyond breaking that leg, Tenshinhan drops like a dead weight.
The latter. Everyone can keep referencing how Beerus destroys planets in the blink of an eye to me as much as they like but I just think that labeling Beerus a villain simplifies his role in the universe when I see him as more of a theological necessity, and not one that appears to take malicious delight in what he does, at least in BoG.
Well what if instead of a villain, he's looked at as an antagonist, or obstacle? Would you consider his spot on the list accurate then?
Nope. Beerus is definitely an antagonist in BoG, I'll make no objection to that, but being an antagonist isn't always synonymous with being a villain. If you think about it, Muten Roshi and Grandpa Gohan were both antagonists at one point in the story and they're the furthest thing from a villain that you can get.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by TekTheNinja » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:47 am

Lunatic Fringe wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:
Lunatic Fringe wrote:Tenshinhan breaking Yamcha's leg is still more villainous than anything Beerus did in BoG.

Are you arguing for Tenshinhan to be on the list, or Beers to be lower or off the list? Because being on the list is more than committing mayhem. It's also concept and motivation, their impact on the universe, overall execution, and lasting appeal - Even if you are right about Tenshinhan, comparing the two beyond breaking that leg, Tenshinhan drops like a dead weight.
The latter. Everyone can keep referencing how Beerus destroys planets in the blink of an eye to me as much as they like but I just think that labeling Beerus a villain simplifies his role in the universe when I see him as more of a theological necessity, and not one that appears to take malicious delight in what he does, at least in BoG.
He does awful things and the heroes try to stop him. That's a villain. The dictionary defines villain as: "A character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot." and that fits the bill.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Fionordequester » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:17 am

TekTheNinja wrote:He does awful things and the heroes try to stop him. That's a villain. The dictionary defines villain as: "A character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot." and that fits the Bills.
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Big Green The Yoshi » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:34 am

I used to watch this all the time when the Saiyan Arc was out. Looking back, that Arc was overrated, but it got better once Vegeta and Nappa came to Earth.

The Freeza Arc was really hilarious though. Outside of a couple lame characters like Reacoom, everyone was so funny.

I haven't watched this since the Android Saga and that was already noticeably worse than Freeza. I hear it's even worse than that now, anyway.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Noah » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:16 am

Fionordequester wrote:Anyone else predicting Black & Zamasu being at No. 1? It's where I'd have em', personally.
Er... No. Both aren't shit compared to Freeza, sorry.
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How's that? You mean actually movie lenght? :?
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by FoolsGil » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:07 am

Noah wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:So I checked the TFS Twitter, Wen Broly is so long, it's going to be a 2 parter. Part 1 at Wen Christmas. Also Hellsing by New Years
How's that? You mean actually movie lenght? :?
No, Kaiser was talking the abridged version being too long for one part.

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Post by Soppa Saia People » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:24 pm

Big Green The Yoshi wrote:I used to watch this all the time when the Saiyan Arc was out. Looking back, that Arc was overrated, but it got better once Vegeta and Nappa came to Earth.

The Freeza Arc was really hilarious though. Outside of a couple lame characters like Reacoom, everyone was so funny.

I haven't watched this since the Android Saga and that was already noticeably worse than Freeza. I hear it's even worse than that now, anyway.
It's still good IMO. I wouldn't say it's "HAHA THIS IS So FUNNY" thing anymore. It's an abridged version of Z with comedy.
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Lunatic Fringe » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:30 pm

And #2 is...

[spoiler]Vegeta[/spoiler]

Which means the #1 has to be none other than...

[spoiler]Super #17[/spoiler]

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:44 pm

Not surprised Freeza ranked number 1. As far as not only Dragon Ball villains go, but also anime and manga villains in general, he ranks among the greatest and most iconic ever. I mean, that's why Resurrection F was a thing. :P

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Doctor. » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:11 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Not surprised Freeza ranked number 1. As far as not only Dragon Ball villains go, but also anime and manga villains in general, he ranks among the greatest and most iconic ever. I mean, that's why Resurrection F was a thing. :P
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:23 pm

*Notices the lack of Goku Black in top 5, shakes head in dismay*

You have disappointed me more than my future children TFS, tsk tsk.
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Post by jcogginsa » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:26 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:*Notices the lack of Goku Black in top 5, shakes head in dismay*

You have disappointed me more than my future children TFS, tsk tsk.
It's your own fault for not paying attention. They said from the beginning that super Villains weren't being considered due to being too new, and posted a video with their thoughts on all of them.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:28 pm

jcogginsa wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:*Notices the lack of Goku Black in top 5, shakes head in dismay*

You have disappointed me more than my future children TFS, tsk tsk.
It's your own fault for not paying attention. They said from the beginning that super Villains weren't being considered due to being too new, and posted a video with their thoughts on all of them.
I was mostly joking :P
The only real decision I disagree with is Daimao being in the top three, Piccolo was always boring as an antagonist for me but at least his 2.0 self gave Goku one of his best fights ever.
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by jcogginsa » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:33 pm

I wonder if we could get "Top 24 battles" next year. That'd be a great list

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Post by Lunatic Fringe » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:35 pm

jcogginsa wrote:I wonder if we could get "Top 24 battles" next year. That'd be a great list
Meh, I wanna see them do "Top 24 Waifus" and see Lord Beerus fume when #18 isn't #1. :twisted:

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:40 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
jcogginsa wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:*Notices the lack of Goku Black in top 5, shakes head in dismay*

You have disappointed me more than my future children TFS, tsk tsk.
It's your own fault for not paying attention. They said from the beginning that super Villains weren't being considered due to being too new, and posted a video with their thoughts on all of them.
I was mostly joking :P
The only real decision I disagree with is Daimao being in the top three, Piccolo was always boring as an antagonist for me but at least his 2.0 self gave Goku one of his best fights ever.
I personally love the fact that King Piccolo made into the top three because he was the first villain in Dragon Ball at that time that felt so overreaching in his role. His impact on the story is undeniable. He may not have had the more complex personality, but he was no-nonsense villain and quite cunning in battle.

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