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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by rereboy » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:59 pm

LuckyCat wrote: Android #16's head literally lands in mid-speech with Cell. He's in the middle of saying 殺せ!(korose means "kill!") but the interruption makes that break off having him only say "koros-". The only reason why people are interested in #16 at all is that he's flung in-between Gohan and Cell. And like you said, #16 just tried to kill Cell a moment ago, so it's not odd at all that Cell would be curious what #16 was up to.
In the manga, Cell had already ordered the Cell jrs to kill them off before #16's head lands and there is no speech interrupted by it. In fact, Cell orders their death in two different panels before #16 head lands. Cell might have looked to #16's head after that but there is no reason for the Cell Jrs to disregard the order that they had just been given and pause.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:52 am

Black looks better with the golden SS than with Rose.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by WobbuSleuth » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:15 pm

If you think about it, Buu saga very similar to a typical fanfic. Many years have passed since the last saga, seemingly ridiculous changes in the status quo, Marty Suy-ish characters, VERY absurd new techniques (Fusion), villains with lack of decent motivation and so on. Don't get me wrong, it's my least favorite saga in Z, excluding Cell saga, but it was enjoyable and somewhat strange experience.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:26 pm

WobbuSleuth wrote:If you think about it, Buu saga very similar to a typical fanfic. Many years have passed since the last saga, seemingly ridiculous changes in the status quo, Marty Suy-ish characters, VERY absurd new techniques (Fusion), villains with lack of decent motivation and so on. Don't get me wrong, it's my least favorite saga in Z, excluding Cell saga, but it was enjoyable and somewhat strange experience.
You just described every arc.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:53 pm

villains with lack of decent motivation and so on
What's a decent motivation for a villain?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by WobbuSleuth » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:35 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
WobbuSleuth wrote:If you think about it, Buu saga very similar to a typical fanfic. Many years have passed since the last saga, seemingly ridiculous changes in the status quo, Marty Suy-ish characters, VERY absurd new techniques (Fusion), villains with lack of decent motivation and so on. Don't get me wrong, it's my least favorite saga in Z, excluding Cell saga, but it was enjoyable and somewhat strange experience.
You just described every arc.
Really? Fits only Saiyan saga, and even changes in it are kinda natural.
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Post by WobbuSleuth » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:37 pm

ABED wrote:
villains with lack of decent motivation and so on
What's a decent motivation for a villain?
I probably incorrectly expressed. Not a "decent" motivation but the presence of motivation. Buu didn't have one.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:29 pm

WobbuSleuth wrote:
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villains with lack of decent motivation and so on
What's a decent motivation for a villain?
I probably incorrectly expressed. Not a "decent" motivation but the presence of motivation. Buu didn't have one.
He wasn't a mindless beast, he had motivation for what he was doing. He was having fun and he found destruction to be fun.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Doctor. » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:30 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Black looks better with the golden SS than with Rose.
People should get castrated for such blasphemy.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:39 pm

Mentioned this another thread but Kelamis' performance as Goku is severely overrated, yes that ONE scream was reminscent of Nozawa but the rest of performance was not. Struggling to find clips that aren't from that scene, the rest of the work is what I'd consider forgettable some of grunts and screams were pretty awful and his regular non screaming voice sounds nothing like Nozawa just sounds like a Corlett impression.

Hell I'd class Marrow above Kelamis. I'm not being fooled by one albeit great scream in one scene. I suppose one could argue with the right direction etc he could very well be as close to the Japanese Goku as a dub could get but that's all if's but's and maybe's.

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Post by Doctor. » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:42 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Mentioned this another thread but Kelamis' performance as Goku is severely overrated, yes that ONE scream was reminscent of Nozawa but the rest of performance was not. Struggling to find clips that aren't from that scene, the rest of the work is what I'd consider forgettable some of grunts and screams were pretty awful and his regular non screaming voice sounds nothing like Nozawa just sounds like a Corlett impression.

Hell I'd class Marrow above Kelamis. I'm not being fooled by one albeit great scream in one scene. I suppose one could argue with the right direction etc he could very well be as close to the Japanese Goku as a dub could get but that's all if's but's and maybe's.
It's not that Kelamis is exceptional, it's just that everyone else is crappier.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:55 pm

Ian James Corlette is the definitive Goku.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:55 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Mentioned this another thread but Kelamis' performance as Goku is severely overrated, yes that ONE scream was reminscent of Nozawa but the rest of performance was not. Struggling to find clips that aren't from that scene, the rest of the work is what I'd consider forgettable some of grunts and screams were pretty awful and his regular non screaming voice sounds nothing like Nozawa just sounds like a Corlett impression.

Hell I'd class Marrow above Kelamis. I'm not being fooled by one albeit great scream in one scene. I suppose one could argue with the right direction etc he could very well be as close to the Japanese Goku as a dub could get but that's all if's but's and maybe's.
It's not that Kelamis is exceptional, it's just that everyone else is crappier.
His performance as Goku was awful though for the most part have you heard some of his grunts and screams in the Cell arc? One scene doesn't make his entire performance as Goku less crap.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Doctor. » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:00 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:His performance as Goku was awful though for the most part have you heard some of his grunts and screams in the Cell arc? One scene doesn't make his entire performance as Goku less crap.
I don't think his entire performance was crap, it was decent. And again, it's not that Kelamis was exceptional, it's that every other english Goku is shit.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:54 pm

Corlette is a fantastic actor, but a little flat as Goku, Kelamis is terrible but has great screams, Morrow is bland and unmemorable, and Schemmel took a little time, but he's great as Goku. This is unpopular but Schemmel was a breath of fresh air from the beginning after 20 plus episodes of Kelamis.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:44 pm

I don't know how unpopular this is but I'd like for Steve Blum to get another chance at voicing Goku in something while we're on the subject of his English VAs.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by kinisking » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:50 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Black looks better with the golden SS than with Rose.
I agree. The grey eyes Rose had saved it from being a form I disliked, but gold is where it's at. I would have preferred ss white though..
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:51 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:Black looks better with the golden SS than with Rose.
I agree. The grey eyes Rose had saved it from being a form I disliked, but gold is where it's at. I would have preferred ss white though..
I'm fine with him "getting" white with the fusion, it helps it look more supreme... I guess?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:56 pm

kinisking wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:Black looks better with the golden SS than with Rose.
I agree. The grey eyes Rose had saved it from being a form I disliked, but gold is where it's at. I would have preferred ss white though..
Yeah, I prefer the SS look for him as well. If colored right, it could look beautiful on-screen. If the white transformation's the same as it was in the anime, then I personally wouldn't want it. I don't like how the anime just made his hair plain white without much to go with it. It could've been a lot more with effects scattered around it.
ABED wrote:Corlette is a fantastic actor, but a little flat as Goku, Kelamis is terrible but has great screams, Morrow is bland and unmemorable, and Schemmel took a little time, but he's great as Goku. This is unpopular but Schemmel was a breath of fresh air from the beginning after 20 plus episodes of Kelamis.
You've mentioned your hate for Kelamis multiple times in this thread.

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Post by ABED » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:02 pm

I probably have in this 295 page thread. I've also mentioned it in several others. I don't get what you're getting at.
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