Forms that should have never been created

[Big Green The Yoshi]

Goten and Trunks as Super Saiyans. That killed the Super Saiyan hype.

[sintzu]

Goten and Trunks as Super Saiyans. That killed the Super Saiyan hype.

That and Gotenks getting Ssj3, he should've just gotten 2.

[precita]

The thing is SSJ3 doesn't seem to have ever existed before Goku. Unlike Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God which were told in legends and to have happened, SSJ3 has no backstory.

It seems to just be a new transformation Goku himself came up with which is fine, but they should have made it exclusive to Goku. Gotenks shouldn't have been able to become it.

[sintzu]

The thing is SSJ3 doesn't seem to have ever existed before Goku. Unlike Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God which were told in legends and to have happened, SSJ3 has no backstory.

It seems to just be a new transformation Goku himself came up with which is fine, but they should have made it exclusive to Goku. Gotenks shouldn't have been able to become it.

My starting point for the Boo arc was, “This is the end, so I’m going to draw whatever I want!” I always liked dumb gags, so I made things comical, with the Great Saiyaman and Gotenks and whatnot.

I think this is why the kids were as strong as they were, Toriyama just wanted to have fun and didn't really think about how it would hurt the Ssj legend afterwards.

Same thing with Gohan, the GS was "funny" but writing Gohan the way he did by having him not train and act stupid hurt him in the long run.

[Saiyan007]

If I was writing Dragon Ball the saiyans would only get 4 forms

1.Oozaru

2.SSJ1

3.Saiyan God(red hair)

4.Super Saiyan God(blue hair)

[floofychan333]

SSG was only the strongest form in one movie and it became irrelevant quickly after so I'd say that's the one form to be axed.

[ekrolo2]

Is this me agreeing with you on Gohan for once? :O

I would ask what Goten would get but I feel like it won't be pretty

I'd keep the brats ability to turn SS early on in their lives but the trade off is they can't get any higher form on their own: only through Gotenks.

[Lord Beerus]

Goten and Trunks as Super Saiyans. That killed the Super Saiyan hype.

Vegeta achieving the form off-screen with no explanation for me is what killed the mystique of Super Saiyan.

[ekrolo2]

Goten and Trunks as Super Saiyans. That killed the Super Saiyan hype.

Vegeta achieving the form off-screen with no explanation for me is what killed the mystique of Super Saiyan.

Vegeta getting it period is moronic since it flies in the face of everything they say on Namek.

There it was: Vegeta is a total, irredeemable bastard so that's why he can't become Super Saiyan.
Then in the Android arc, its: Vegeta is a total irredeemable bastard so that's why he can become one.

[Lord Beerus]

Goten and Trunks as Super Saiyans. That killed the Super Saiyan hype.

Vegeta achieving the form off-screen with no explanation for me is what killed the mystique of Super Saiyan.

Vegeta getting it period is moronic since it flies in the face of everything they say on Namek.

There it was: Vegeta is a total, irredeemable bastard so that's why he can't become Super Saiyan.
Then in the Android arc, its: Vegeta is a total irredeemable bastard so that's why he can become one.

In my honest opinion, that set the precedent for the cast getting power ups and new transformations, like children getting handed candy, with next-to-none build-up of foreshadowing. More than 20 years later, it's still a very bad habit that Dragon Ball hasn't been able to shake off.

[ekrolo2]

In my honest opinion, that set the precedent for the cast getting power ups and new transformations, like children getting handed candy, with next-to-none build-up of foreshadowing. More than 20 years later, it's still a very bad habit that Dragon Ball hasn't been able to shake off.

Its reached its logical conclusion with Super: everyone's randomly stronger or weaker at the drop of a dime without any attempt at explaining it. Goku goes from being weaker than Vegeta in 64 to being able to beat a serious beam struggle with Merged Zamasu in 66 then kick his ass some more with KK after all his limbs get destroyed.

[WobbuSleuth]

Very controversial, but I think that concept of Super Saiyans overall should have never been created, IMO. Let me explain, at first, it was ANOTHER cheap power-up from Toriyama. We have those in the past, in Piccolo Daimao arc for example. This power-up, however, wasn't just an ordinary power-up, but transformation... But it makes little difference. Goku must become stronger than Freeza. Oh, then he should go berserk after certain death!.. Like he did in the past... In the last arc... In Piccolo Daimao arc... Even in Red Ribbon Army Arc... EVEN IN THE SAME ARC, with Vegeta's death. (Yeah, Goku wasn't really berserk-y at that point, but Freeza greatly angered him already) So, yeah, Goku didn't get that power with the help of training. He received it with the help of clichéd plot point. With help of plot-point that was already been used not the first time.
Okay, Super Saiyan was foreshadowed by Vegeta some episodes before, but knowing Toriyama, he probably didn't even had any idea what this form will be.

I could forgive this concept (to be honest Goku's transformation was very awesome moment), but it has become so overused in the future, so I'm just tired of it.

[Attitudefan]

Goku should have been the only one to have Super Saiyan.

It makes no sense that this form was so rare for thousands of years but now every Saiyan since then can do it.

Vegeta should have never obtained the form. Could have been great character progression, if he should still be revived after Namek, to accept that he will never achieve legendary status and must live with that. There's a lot of character development that can be written around that. Plus, the power gaps between saiyans and humans could be closer. It could also be a way to humanize Vegeta. Alas, I'm rambling at this point.

I still dislike the concept of Super Saiyan gods.

[dbzfan7]

SSJB. Easy. You only need 1 God form. Let it be the more creative of the two. No Rose either...yuck.

[Nejishiki]

Every transformation has effectively complemented the narrative in some way. I'm not bothered by any one form as I feel each had a fairly justified existence. Any overabundance felt is likely a consequence of the series being a serial. It's not as if something new is brought about every three months or something like that. It's reasonably paced. Getting down to it, Super Saiyan 3 had the weakest debut despite the interesting ideas. Its inclusion could be retooled for the audience's sake. I like its usage aside from that. Freeza's mutations could benefit from a re-imagining, too. It's not as if I dislike them, but I maintain his second change (and consequently, the storyboarding of how that section of the battle was handled) wasn't executed as well as the impact of his first and final changes were. I'd prefer if it had a better role than cutting it altogether though.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

So many of the transformations are contrived af. I'd remove All Super Saiyans, Freeza doesn't get an uber-duber 100% buff variant. Cell, oh my god his transformations don't make sense, so they're gone. All of Boo's can stay, though.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

The only forms I like are Oozaru, SS1 and SS4. The other forms really felt tacked on to me and it all made SS1 seem trivial. SS2 at best was plausible to me being an upgraded SS1 to justify Goku and Vegeta needing to get stronger than Gohan post Cell games, but SS3, as much as I like Goku's sternness in the form, its pretty dumb. There isn't any real reason it should have existed in the lore because there just is no symbolism to the Saiyans I can draw from it so its the odd one left unexplainable.

Then there is SSG, which I dislike more so off its very lame lore as opposed to the form itself, but I generally disliked its concept because it was just way too abstract and then forced into the same time frame as when SS itself was hype to Freeza. My problem with the form is that now with SSB there really is no real reason why its so skinny. SSB I understand being SS with God ki and all but, as Super has it the form seems no different at all to normal SS1 if not having an even worse record with its apparent stamina issues and it giving no real changes to the characters using them at all beyond stature. To me SS1 should have just been the peak of their forms, (SS2 at best) and then the characters should have learned other abilities or techniques to support it, rather than just stack more forms. It makes the Saiyan race look way too overrated.

[RandomGuy96]

Either Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan Blue. One renders the other entirely irrelevant.

[precita]

Super Saiyan Blue should have been there to begin with. The red form has no point and will never be used again.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Super Saiyan Blue (Bluper Saiyan) - Not only does it not make sense entirely it's a poor choice of hair color and aura.
(SSG sufficed and looked cooler than this)

Ultimate (fully unlocked) Gohan - He is asked to turn 'Super Saiyan' and he still looks like his normal base self...
(also makes him super cocky)

Golden Frieza (RoF arc) - So characters can choose how their form looks? (scratches head)
(somehow Goku Black pulls this off much better simply because he is a unique character, so he passes)

Nothing else comes to mind. I noticed many who protested Super Saiyan Rose on the internet but for some strange reason I just can't get myself to hate it.