The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Angelus]

Piccolo (made 25% more powerful) VS SSJ Future Trunks
[Both Androids Saga. No weighted clothing for Piccolo. No sword for Trunks. No whistling]

Imperfect Cell (Gingertown) VS SSJ Vegeta (Androids Saga)
[Vegeta arrives at Gingertown only after Cell has left. Imagine if their paths crossed when Vegeta was flying towards Gingertown and saw Cell]

[DanielSSJ]

Piccolo (made 25% more powerful) VS SSJ Future Trunks
[Both Androids Saga. No weighted clothing for Piccolo. No sword for Trunks. No whistling]

Imperfect Cell (Gingertown) VS SSJ Vegeta (Androids Saga)
[Vegeta arrives at Gingertown only after Cell has left. Imagine if their paths crossed when Vegeta was flying towards Gingertown and saw Cell]

- Piccolo ends up a slight amount stronger, and with his greater skill and experience, beats Trunks without too much difficulty.
- While Cell avoided any confrontations before he finished absorbing people, that was mainly to avoid getting in a fight with Piccolo before he was ready. Had Cell actually stuck around for a fight with Vegeta, he would've come out in top.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Piccolo (made 25% more powerful) VS SSJ Future Trunks
[Both Androids Saga. No weighted clothing for Piccolo. No sword for Trunks. No whistling]

Imperfect Cell (Gingertown) VS SSJ Vegeta (Androids Saga)
[Vegeta arrives at Gingertown only after Cell has left. Imagine if their paths crossed when Vegeta was flying towards Gingertown and saw Cell]

- Trunks still has a decent lead in power, he should win since he's too efficient to give Piccolo time to form a strategy.

- Vegeta would go down after a good fight, Cell has a comfortable lead in power but he hadn't yet fully mastered his stolen techniques.

Piccolo (made 25% more powerful) VS SSJ Future Trunks
[Both Androids Saga. No weighted clothing for Piccolo. No sword for Trunks. No whistling]

Imperfect Cell (Gingertown) VS SSJ Vegeta (Androids Saga)
[Vegeta arrives at Gingertown only after Cell has left. Imagine if their paths crossed when Vegeta was flying towards Gingertown and saw Cell]

- Piccolo ends up a slight amount stronger, and with his greater skill and experience, beats Trunks without too much difficulty.
- While Cell avoided any confrontations before he finished absorbing people, that was mainly to avoid getting in a fight with Piccolo before he was ready. Had Cell actually stuck around for a fight with Vegeta, he would've come out in top.

- Is Piccolo really so powerful? By my numbers making him 25% stronger would put him around the same level as Namek Goku and Trunks had surpassed that by a lot by the time of the Androids Arc.

[DanielSSJ]

Is Piccolo really so powerful? By my numbers making him 25% stronger would put him around the same level as Namek Goku and Trunks had surpassed that by a lot by the time of the Androids Arc.

I prefer to have Androids Arc Piccolo at around the same level that Trunks was at when he killed Freeza, seeing as his reunion with Kami-sama supposedly doubled his strength.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Is Piccolo really so powerful? By my numbers making him 25% stronger would put him around the same level as Namek Goku and Trunks had surpassed that by a lot by the time of the Androids Arc.

I prefer to have Androids Arc Piccolo at around the same level that Trunks was at when he killed Freeza, seeing as his reunion with Kami-sama supposedly doubled his strength.

I believe that's simply a metaphor for his two halves becoming one again rather than his power literally doubling. Anyway, given that Kamiccolo was slightly stronger than 17, putting him at only 2x the Trunks from that time seems a bit low since Trunks surely improved a good deal in the 8 month gap, yet he was still a league below Androids arc SSJ Vegeta who was outclassed by Imperfect Cell who was in turn weaker than 18 who is implied to be weaker than 17.

[Gog]

I feel like watching the world burn.

Current Goku (SSB) vs current Vegeta (SSB)

Who wins?

kAIO KEN!

[DanielSSJ]

I believe that's simply a metaphor for his two halves becoming one again rather than his power literally doubling. Anyway, given that Kamiccolo was slightly stronger than 17, putting him at only 2x the Trunks from that time seems a bit low since Trunks surely improved a good deal in the 8 month gap, yet he was still a league below Androids arc SSJ Vegeta who was outclassed by Imperfect Cell who was in turn weaker than 18 who is implied to be weaker than 17.

I don't think that the "split his power in half" comment has to be taken literally, but it doesn't necessary contradict anything if you do take it literally, so why not? Anyways, I'm not too particular about gaps, and the ones between Vegeta and Imperfect Cell, and No. 17 and No. 18 aren't that large in my opinion. I'll make it easy and post my numbers, in units of millions:

• Super Saiyan Trunks: 175
  Super Saiyan Son Goku: 180
  
  Three Years Later
  
  Super Saiyan Son Goku: 240
  Super Saiyan Vegeta: 250
  Super Saiyan Trunks: 220
  
  Piccolo: 180
  • 25% increase: 225
    merged with Kami-sama: 360
  Android No. 17: 350
  Android No. 18: 325
  
  Imperfect Cell: 270

Does that make sense?

[DanielSSJ]

I feel like watching the world burn.

Current Goku (SSB) vs current Vegeta (SSB)

Who wins?

kAIO KEN!

Goku used to be a gag-manga character. If he channeled his roots, Vegeta would be unable to touch him.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I believe that's simply a metaphor for his two halves becoming one again rather than his power literally doubling. Anyway, given that Kamiccolo was slightly stronger than 17, putting him at only 2x the Trunks from that time seems a bit low since Trunks surely improved a good deal in the 8 month gap, yet he was still a league below Androids arc SSJ Vegeta who was outclassed by Imperfect Cell who was in turn weaker than 18 who is implied to be weaker than 17.

I don't think that the "split his power in half" comment has to be taken literally, but it doesn't necessary contradict anything if you do take it literally, so why not? Anyways, I'm not too particular about gaps, and the ones between Vegeta and Imperfect Cell, and No. 17 and No. 18 aren't that large in my opinion. I'll make it easy and post my numbers, in units of millions:

• Super Saiyan Trunks: 175
  Super Saiyan Son Goku: 180
  
  Three Years Later
  
  Super Saiyan Son Goku: 240
  Super Saiyan Vegeta: 250
  Super Saiyan Trunks: 220
  
  Piccolo: 180
  • 25% increase: 225
    merged with Kami-sama: 360
  Android No. 17: 350
  Android No. 18: 325
  
  Imperfect Cell: 270

Does that make sense?

I suppose it does, my issue lies not in the gaps themselves but rather in the fact that I believe the Saiyans became a lot stronger than that over the 3 year timeskip.

[DanielSSJ]

I suppose it does, my issue lies not in the gaps themselves but rather in the fact that I believe the Saiyans became a lot stronger than that over the 3 year timeskip.

I personally think that once the Saiyans (namely Goku and Vegeta) first hit Super Saiyan, their growth started to stagnate. It sorta became a crutch for them to rely on, and neither Goku nor Vegeta had much of a frame of reference of what kind of power that the Androids were packing, other than that they were stronger than Trunks. Trunks did have an idea of what to shoot for, but he had significantly less time than everyone else and no training partners. It was only his mixed heritage that kept him from being completely left in the dust by Goku and Vegeta. Even then, I personally have the future androids at roughly the same level as Goku and Vegeta, it's just that the present ones were much stronger than anyone was expecting.

Once Vegeta had gotten his pride kicked in by Android No. 18, and everyone had seen the power of Super Namekian Piccolo and Cell, they got properly motivated to get hella strong and surpass the Super Saiyan.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I suppose it does, my issue lies not in the gaps themselves but rather in the fact that I believe the Saiyans became a lot stronger than that over the 3 year timeskip.

I personally think that once the Saiyans (namely Goku and Vegeta) first hit Super Saiyan, their growth started to stagnate. It sorta became a crutch for them to rely on, and neither Goku nor Vegeta had much of a frame of reference of what kind of power that the Androids were packing, other than that they were stronger than Trunks. Trunks did have an idea of what to shoot for, but he had significantly less time than everyone else and no training partners. It was only his mixed heritage that kept him from being completely left in the dust by Goku and Vegeta. Even then, I personally have the future androids at roughly the same level as Goku and Vegeta, it's just that the present ones were much stronger than anyone was expecting.

Once Vegeta had gotten his pride kicked in by Android No. 18, and everyone had seen the power of Super Namekian Piccolo and Cell, they got properly motivated to get hella strong and surpass the Super Saiyan.

I think their growth didn't slow down too much until the end of the Cell Arc when Goku said he was close to his limits as a Super Saiyan. I personally have Vegeta tripling his strength over the 3 year gap, giving him a base power of 7.5 million in the Androids arc.

[Roronoa-pt]

New matches

Auta Magetta vs botamo

nappa vs rof muten roshi

Tao vs spopovitch and yamu

and can anyone tell what is videl power level

Magetta's lava should be able to damage Botamo. I'd say Magetta.
Max Power Muten Roshi can probably beat Raditz but there's no way he can deal with Nappa. Nappa stomps.
Cyborg Tao wins with mid difficulty.
If I have to guess, Videl's power level should be 32.

[Ki Breaker]

I feel like watching the world burn.

Current Goku (SSB) vs current Vegeta (SSB)

Who wins?

kAIO KEN!

Goku used to be a gag-manga character. If he channeled his roots, Vegeta would be unable to touch him.

Doesn't even need to do that, he is pretty much shown to be better than Vegeta, current goku easily beats vegeta

[DanielSSJ]

I think their growth didn't slow down too much until the end of the Cell Arc when Goku said he was close to his limits as a Super Saiyan. I personally have Vegeta tripling his strength over the 3 year gap, giving him a base power of 7.5 million in the Androids arc.

That seems a little excessive to me, but "different strokes for different folks", I guess.

[Lord Frieza]

Ok on a purely theoretical note.

Xeno (Dark Dragon Ball) Frieza, Cell and Buu vs Yī Xīng Lóng, Sì Xīng Lóng and Sān Xīng Lóng.

[Ki Breaker]

Ok on a purely theoretical note.

Xeno (Dark Dragon Ball) Frieza, Cell and Buu vs Yī Xīng Lóng, Sì Xīng Lóng and Sān Xīng Lóng.

Well freeza can't beat someone up who dosen't exist

Seriously though, deal versions are plenty more powerful and have a lot more health..
I give this to the canon group

[simtek34]

Super Saiyan Goku [Androids arc(Beginning)] vs First Form Cell (No Human Absorbtions)

Base Gogeta vs Mr Boo

Zeno vs Arale

[Khin]

Super Saiyan Goku [Androids arc(Beginning)] vs First Form Cell (No Human Absorbtions)

Straight from Goku's own words:

Chapter: 366 (DBZ 172), P3.5
Context: after Goku recovers from his illness
Goku: “The way I am now, I definitely can’t beat the androids or this ‘Cell’ guy.”

Cell beats Goku in the same manner as their actual fight in the Cell Games, probably even worse.

[Ki Breaker]

Super Saiyan Goku [Androids arc(Beginning)] vs First Form Cell (No Human Absorbtions)

Base Gogeta vs Mr Boo

Zeno vs Arale

Goku loses

Buu should win, their bases are not that strong when they became gogeta, Mr buu did beat base Gotenks, it should be similar

Zeno wins, if berrus can kill gag characters, zeno surely can

[In Brightest Day]

Here are some fights:

- Android #13 vs. SSJ Future Gohan.
- Cooler (final form) vs. Piccolo (Android arc).
- SSJ3 Son Goku (Boo arc) vs. Oob (beginning of GT).
- Gotenks-Boo vs. Vegeta (base, Resurrection F).