Shueisha's 'Dragon Ball' Room, New Department Focused on Dragon Ball

[Saikyo no Senshi]

The studio matters because of the people working there so yes, if that team leaves then it'll be in trouble.

Is he Shippuden's director ? if so did he direct the original Naruto as well ?

Most of that team is freelance. They don't work for Pierrot. The studio is just where they work at cause they are brought on-board cause the director and production assistants have contacts with them. The studios don't matter.

Yamashita mostly works for Pierrot. He was director of the Boruto movie. Most of the great stuff you saw in Shippuuden was his team. He is an animator as well as director and has plenty of connections with some good freelance staff. He didn't work for the 2002 Naruto series.

[sangofe]

But in terms of overall popularity, One Piece is still way bigger than Dragon Ball.

I see... Well, I expect this will change by the time Super will be worldwide.

In Japan. lol

If One Piece is way bigger, why is it just barely ahead of Super with the TV ratings?

[Saikyo no Senshi]

TV ratings is not the only thing that matters. Overall means merch sales, video games, ratings, commercials and all that stuff and One Piece is religion in Japan. Kind of. It's been like that for quite a while.

One Piece is Toei's biggest property and that's undeniable. It's movies also make a crap ton of money.

[Rukawa11]

I can't see this as being anything other than fantastic news for the franchise. I always thought Dragonball was the only series in all of Shonen Jump to have an everlasting appeal. It's not hard to imagine a sequel to Super in ten or fifteen years' time just as Super came along after DBZ had ended almost twenty years before. Love it. Now, if only they'd make a "Yuyu Hakusho" room as well - nothing could be more far-fetched.

[precita]

I can't see this as being anything other than fantastic news for the franchise. I always thought Dragonball was the only series in all of Shonen Jump to have an everlasting appeal. It's not hard to imagine a sequel to Super in ten or fifteen years' time just as Super came along after DBZ had ended almost twenty years before. Love it. Now, if only they'd make a "Yuyu Hakusho" room as well - nothing could be more far-fetched.

Only problem is by then Goku's VA will either have passed away or gotten too old/sick to do voice acting. Same for a lot of the other main cast.

They really shouldn't bother to continue the franchise after the main cast start dying off, unless they do a full reboot or skip ahead and do something like with Goku Jr. 100 years in the future.

[sangofe]

TV ratings is not the only thing that matters. Overall means merch sales, video games, ratings, commercials and all that stuff and One Piece is religion in Japan. Kind of. It's been like that for quite a while.

One Piece is Toei's biggest property and that's undeniable. It's movies also make a crap ton of money.

You got charts to back up what you say, national and international?

[Saikyo no Senshi]

You got charts to back up what you say, national and international?

Somebody posted last year's charts on the announcement thread if I remember correctly. You should look there. As for several years before, you could look up Toei's website. They post it every year. I'm on my phone and quite lazy so can't do that now. Maybe this will help.

The movies are easy. For example, One Piece Film Z made 78+ million worldwide and Kami to Kami in comparison only made 51-52 million worldwide and Fukkatsu no F also couldn't touch it. The latest film One Piece Film Gold is 80 million worldwide. It's not that difficult to see the monster One Piece franchise is.

I would add that Dragon Ball is doing better worldwide and is at its strongest in Japan currently, but One Piece still is Toei's biggest property. It makes enough in Japan alone, so even if it doesn't do that well overseas, it is of little concern to Toei. It is also doing just fine overseas.

[sangofe]

You got charts to back up what you say, national and international?

Somebody posted last year's charts on the announcement thread if I remember correctly. You should look there. As for several years before, you could look up Toei's website. They post it every year. I'm on my phone and quite lazy so can't do that now. Maybe this will help.

The movies are easy. For example, One Piece Film Z made 78+ million worldwide and Kami to Kami in comparison only made 51-52 million worldwide and Fukkatsu no F also couldn't touch it. The latest film One Piece Film Gold is 80 million worldwide. It's not that difficult to see the monster One Piece franchise is.

I would add that Dragon Ball is doing better worldwide and is at its strongest in Japan currently, but One Piece still is Toei's biggest property. It makes enough in Japan alone, so even if it doesn't do that well overseas, it is of little concern to Toei. It is also doing just fine overseas.

I agree one Piece is big, but Dragon Ball might be the biggest internationally. And I think that DB might actually be even bigger than now what you linked to. But we'll see after the next arc in super and when many countries start airing Dragon Ball Super.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

I agree one Piece is big, but Dragon Ball might be the biggest internationally. And I think that DB might actually be even bigger than now what you linked to. But we'll see after the next arc in super and when many countries start airing Dragon Ball Super.

I think Pocket Monsters beats the shit out of Dragon Ball internationally. But, yeah Dragon Ball might be the biggest Toei property if we only take international sales into account.

[sangofe]

I agree one Piece is big, but Dragon Ball might be the biggest internationally. And I think that DB might actually be even bigger than now what you linked to. But we'll see after the next arc in super and when many countries start airing Dragon Ball Super.

I think Pocket Monsters beats the shit out of Dragon Ball internationally. But, yeah Dragon Ball might be the biggest Toei property if we only take international sales into account.

Obviously I was talking about Toei properties...

[sintzu]

I always thought Dragonball was the only series in all of Shonen Jump to have an everlasting appeal.

It's not hard to imagine a sequel to Super in ten or fifteen years' time just as Super came along after DBZ had ended almost twenty years before.

Now, if only they'd make a "Yuyu Hakusho" room as well - nothing could be more far-fetched.

I put Naruto and One Piece in that category as well.

I don't think we'll have to wait that long, we'll probably get it the minute Super ends.

It's nowhere near as popular as DB is so you're right, it's very far fetched but if it works for DB then I can see Naruto getting one and One Piece after its manga is over.

They really shouldn't bother to continue the franchise after the main cast start dying off, unless they do a full reboot or skip ahead and do something like with Goku Jr. 100 years in the future.

DB is one of the biggest brands in the world for multiple companies so there's no way the death of a voice or even the author himself will stop it.

Look at Carrie Fisher and Star Wars, it's only been a little over a week since she passed away and they're already talking about how to move around that for EP9, one of the options they're looking at is having her character be CGI and voiced by someone else.

So when it comes to these big franchises, no one's death is going to stop them from going forward.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I agree one Piece is big, but Dragon Ball might be the biggest internationally. And I think that DB might actually be even bigger than now what you linked to. But we'll see after the next arc in super and when many countries start airing Dragon Ball Super.

I think Pocket Monsters beats the shit out of Dragon Ball internationally. But, yeah Dragon Ball might be the biggest Toei property if we only take international sales into account.

There's no think, Sun and Moon games sales blew everything away this year. Lord knows how much merchandise sales they make!

[Rukawa11]

I put Naruto and One Piece in that category as well.

I don't think we'll have to wait that long, we'll probably get it the minute Super ends.

It's nowhere near as popular as DB is so you're right, it's very far fetched but if it works for DB then I can see Naruto getting one and One Piece after its manga is over.

It actually remains to be seen as far as Naruto and One Piece are concerned (One Piece has the bigger chance among the two, of course). As huge as those two are, I'm not so sure they'll appeal to as many fans once ten or fifteen years have passed after their official ending. Where as with Dragonball, even if no DB Super sequel is made, it's not so hard to imagine people watching DBZ or Kai twenty years from now. The reason isn't really a subtle one. Simply put, DBZ has catchier character designs and anyone seeing a Super Saiyan group picture will be hooked or at the very least, they'd be curious as to what that Anime is about. One Piece and Naruto don't have such an imposing visual presence. Do any of their characters stand out among the hundreds of thousands of Anime characters out there? Not likely. If we merely go by the strength of their reputation as having dominated the first two decades of the 21st century, then that won't really matter to subsequent generations. Captain Tsubasa (1983) and Slam Dunk (1993) have both enjoyed a god-like status during their respective decades. Apart from popularizing soccer in Japan, the best soccer players in the world who are paid 10-30 million dollars a year have said that Captain Tsubasa was the reason they became soccer players. And I'll suffice to say that Slam Dunk was a Dragonball-sized phenomenon in the 90s. Does anyone care about those two Animes now, though? Are there any sequels being made now that they've ended more than 20 years ago? OP and Naruto would probably be the same. OP is an excellent show and it had indeed surpassed DB in overall sales, but it'll never be as iconic. The only reason it appears to be so now is because it's an ongoing series, what else does a lead character like Luffy have going for him?

[sintzu]

It actually remains to be seen as far as Naruto and One Piece are concerned (One Piece has the bigger chance among the two, of course).

As huge as those two are, I'm not so sure they'll appeal to as many fans once ten or fifteen years have passed after their official ending.

It's not so hard to imagine people watching DBZ or Kai twenty years from now.

Simply put, DBZ has catchier character designs and anyone seeing a Super Saiyan group picture will be hooked or at the very least, they'd be curious as to what that Anime is about.

Do any of their characters stand out among the hundreds of thousands of Anime characters out there? Not likely.

Does anyone care about those two Animes now, though ? Are there any sequels being made now that they've ended more than 20 years ago ?

OP and Naruto would probably be the same. OP is an excellent show and it had indeed surpassed DB in overall sales, but it'll never be as iconic. The only reason it appears to be so now is because it's an ongoing series, what else does a lead character like Luffy have going for him ?

Naruto's manga is over and it's still going strong so chances are it won't be going anywhere, at least not within the next half decade.

I think it all depends on how the companies handle them, if they keep making products for them then they won't be going anywhere.

I don't either, I think Z is the only anime that has lasted as long as it has after its ending and will continue to do so in the future.

That's how I got into it, the cover of the 1st Tenkaichi game completely hooked me to it.

This is a really good point and you're right, they don't have anything iconic like a Ssj for example.

No and No.

Having something iconic is a big factor in a franchise' staying power and both don't have that so you might be right after all.

[sangofe]

I put Naruto and One Piece in that category as well.

I don't think we'll have to wait that long, we'll probably get it the minute Super ends.

It's nowhere near as popular as DB is so you're right, it's very far fetched but if it works for DB then I can see Naruto getting one and One Piece after its manga is over.

It actually remains to be seen as far as Naruto and One Piece are concerned (One Piece has the bigger chance among the two, of course). As huge as those two are, I'm not so sure they'll appeal to as many fans once ten or fifteen years have passed after their official ending. Where as with Dragonball, even if no DB Super sequel is made, it's not so hard to imagine people watching DBZ or Kai twenty years from now. The reason isn't really a subtle one. Simply put, DBZ has catchier character designs and anyone seeing a Super Saiyan group picture will be hooked or at the very least, they'd be curious as to what that Anime is about. One Piece and Naruto don't have such an imposing visual presence. Do any of their characters stand out among the hundreds of thousands of Anime characters out there? Not likely. If we merely go by the strength of their reputation as having dominated the first two decades of the 21st century, then that won't really matter to subsequent generations. Captain Tsubasa (1983) and Slam Dunk (1993) have both enjoyed a god-like status during their respective decades. Apart from popularizing soccer in Japan, the best soccer players in the world who are paid 10-30 million dollars a year have said that Captain Tsubasa was the reason they became soccer players. And I'll suffice to say that Slam Dunk was a Dragonball-sized phenomenon in the 90s. Does anyone care about those two Animes now, though? Are there any sequels being made now that they've ended more than 20 years ago? OP and Naruto would probably be the same. OP is an excellent show and it had indeed surpassed DB in overall sales, but it'll never be as iconic. The only reason it appears to be so now is because it's an ongoing series, what else does a lead character like Luffy have going for him?

Yes. People still care about captain tsubasa and it's an ongoing manga...

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Luffy is voiced by Tanaka Mayumi and she is one of the legendary voice actors like Nozawa Masako. That's one of the many reasons to remember Luffy. I don't see One Piece ending anytime soon, and the impact it has had is enough to be remembered forever. One Piece has already reached iconic status.

Naruto isn't ending either. It'll be alive for a while. The designs are actually catchier and with all the details Kishi adds to most characters, it becomes even more catchier I think. I think One Piece, Dragon Ball and Naruto are extremely successful both in Japan and overseas and neither of the 3 will be forgotten.

[sintzu]

I think One Piece, Dragon Ball and Naruto are extremely successful both in Japan and overseas and neither of the 3 will be forgotten.

Naruto and One Piece will most likely be remembered over any other finished work but will they be treated the same way DB and in particular Z was after it ended ?

[Noah]

Naruto and One Piece are failed attemps of anime/manga if we compare to the sucess Dragon Ball has worldwide. It's a shame that these two are often considered Top 3 along with DB when you have much better manga/adaptations like Rurouni Kenshin and Yu Yu Hakusho. But you can't argue against sales and authors that constantly stretch their stories aiming only for profit.

[ABED]

But you can't argue against sales and authors that constantly stretch their stories aiming only for profit.

As if aiming for profit is easy.

[sintzu]

It's a shame that these two are often considered Top 3 along with DB when you have much better manga/adaptations like Rurouni Kenshin and Yu Yu Hakusho.

The reason those 3 are the big 3 is because of all the effort put into them compared to the examples you mentioned and other anime/manga.