"Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters" FUNimation English Dub Official Announcement and Discussion Thread

[Ajay]

So did they get rid of the green tint or are we just imagining it not being there ?

It's still there, same as ever. See my post on the previous page.

Bonus example.

[Mint Pepper]

So did they get rid of the green tint or are we just imagining it not being there ?

It's still there, same as ever. See my post on the previous page.

Bonus example.

Why did they add the green tint into it anyway?

[Ajay]

Why did they add the green tint into it anyway?

I'm really not sure.

The popular guess is improperly calibrated monitors, but you'd expect professionals to be looking at colour histograms, rather than playing it all by eye.

Could just be total incompetence! We'll probably never know for sure.

There's so much more than just the tint, though. Clouds have artifacting around the rims, some dark areas are totally messed up and crushed, and the Japanese release was over-sharpened, resulting in halos around the line art.

Makes me think whoever was in charge really just had no idea what they were doing.

[Mint Pepper]

Why did they add the green tint into it anyway?

I'm really not sure.

The popular guess is improperly calibrated monitors, but you'd expect professionals to be looking at colour histograms, rather than playing it all by eye.

Could just be total incompetence! We'll probably never know for sure.

There's so much more than just the tint, though. Clouds have artifacting around the rims, some dark areas are totally messed up and crushed, and the Japanese release was over-sharpened, resulting in halos around the line art.

Makes me think whoever was in charge really just had no idea what they were doing.

Guess speculation is all we have. Exactly, any video profesional would have a reference to adjust colors. Seems like too many things for it to just be a slip up. Makes you thing if there would be a 'definitive' version of the series in another 20 years lol.

[NintendoBlaze53]

So with Kai's green tint. How much work would be required to remove it on an editing software like Adobe or Vegas? Cause I might make that a personal project of mine.

[Ajay]

So with Kai's green tint. How much work would be required to remove it on an editing software like Adobe or Vegas? Cause I might make that a personal project of mine.

Depends how far you want to go, really.

You can pretty easily apply basic colour balance theory to it and it'll turn out a little better, but to match the colour work found in the first iteration of Kai (and the cels, by extension), you'll need to start playing with the colour channels individually with something like 'Selective Colour'. You'll have fine enough controls to undo the individual tweaks Toei made themselves that way.

The most challenging aspect is Piccolo. They well and truly - forgive my language - fucked him up. In my experience, you actually need to isolate his scenes and correct them separately from everyone else's. I have no idea what they did, but it's maddening to fix without breaking other scenes. It's the big thing that turned me off from doing this myself.

Essentially correcting Kai is a pain and how easy it is depends on how picky you are. Good luck, either way!

[NintendoBlaze53]

So with Kai's green tint. How much work would be required to remove it on an editing software like Adobe or Vegas? Cause I might make that a personal project of mine.

Depends how far you want to go, really.

You can pretty easily apply basic colour balance theory to it and it'll turn out a little better, but to match the colour work found in the first iteration of Kai (and the cels, by extension), you'll need to start playing with the colour channels individually with something like 'Selective Colour'. You'll have fine enough controls to undo the individual tweaks Toei made themselves that way.

The most challenging aspect is Piccolo. They well and truly - forgive my language - fucked him up. In my experience, you actually need to isolate his scenes and correct them separately from everyone else's. I have no idea what they did, but it's maddening to fix without breaking other scenes. It's the big thing that turned me off from doing this myself.

Essentially correcting Kai is a pain and how easy it is depends on how picky you are. Good luck, either way!

Jeez. I figured it'd be hard, but I never considered Piccolo.... It'd probably even be easier to just edit the Dragon Box footage and use Kai's English dub audio. At least then I can watch in 4:3 too.

[Bruma rabu]

So with Kai's green tint. How much work would be required to remove it on an editing software like Adobe or Vegas? Cause I might make that a personal project of mine.

Depends how far you want to go, really.

You can pretty easily apply basic colour balance theory to it and it'll turn out a little better, but to match the colour work found in the first iteration of Kai (and the cels, by extension), you'll need to start playing with the colour channels individually with something like 'Selective Colour'. You'll have fine enough controls to undo the individual tweaks Toei made themselves that way.

The most challenging aspect is Piccolo. They well and truly - forgive my language - fucked him up. In my experience, you actually need to isolate his scenes and correct them separately from everyone else's. I have no idea what they did, but it's maddening to fix without breaking other scenes. It's the big thing that turned me off from doing this myself.

Essentially correcting Kai is a pain and how easy it is depends on how picky you are. Good luck, either way!

Jeez. I figured it'd be hard, but I never considered Piccolo.... It'd probably even be easier to just edit the Dragon Box footage and use Kai's English dub audio. At least then I can watch in 4:3 too.

Not as easy as it sounds trust me...

[Mint Pepper]

So with Kai's green tint. How much work would be required to remove it on an editing software like Adobe or Vegas? Cause I might make that a personal project of mine.

Depends how far you want to go, really.

You can pretty easily apply basic colour balance theory to it and it'll turn out a little better, but to match the colour work found in the first iteration of Kai (and the cels, by extension), you'll need to start playing with the colour channels individually with something like 'Selective Colour'. You'll have fine enough controls to undo the individual tweaks Toei made themselves that way.

The most challenging aspect is Piccolo. They well and truly - forgive my language - fucked him up. In my experience, you actually need to isolate his scenes and correct them separately from everyone else's. I have no idea what they did, but it's maddening to fix without breaking other scenes. It's the big thing that turned me off from doing this myself.

Essentially correcting Kai is a pain and how easy it is depends on how picky you are. Good luck, either way!

Jeez. I figured it'd be hard, but I never considered Piccolo.... It'd probably even be easier to just edit the Dragon Box footage and use Kai's English dub audio. At least then I can watch in 4:3 too.

I'd like to see it if you make it happen. Sounds like an interesting project.

[ShadowDude112]

I hope they announce a home release for this soon! I don't want to wait until the Toonami broadcast is super far ahead. I hope they do what they did with NIcktoons or something. The first one comes out early on, so it has future episodes, but then the other parts are a bit behind, but not super behind.

[Muffin Man]

Just saw the first ep of dubbed Buu saga Kai, and I loved it. It's been so long since I actually watched the Buu saga, not since before Kai 1.0 came out. I just love how subdued the tone and humor is compared to the over-the-top wackiness of modern DB. I prefer it so much more.

And for the life of me I still can't see the green tint everyone keeps talking about. I hope my brain doesn't suddenly start noticing it at some point. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I hope they announce a home release for this soon! I don't want to wait until the Toonami broadcast is super far ahead. I hope they do what they did with NIcktoons or something. The first one comes out early on, so it has future episodes, but then the other parts are a bit behind, but not super behind.

If I remember didn't Kai 1.0 have a wacky schedule? Anyway Viz's HxH home release come out Oct 25th after 25 episodes aired on Toonami, course being two different companies scheduling could differ but it's something to go on at least.

[simtek34]

I've uploaded the Opening and Ending theme and the DB/Kai 1.0 Recap.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

And for the life of me I still can't see the green tint everyone keeps talking about. I hope my brain doesn't suddenly start noticing it at some point. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

If you want to see it, compare the footage to literally any release of Z's Boo Arc. After you've seen it once, it's painfully obvious.

[Scsigs]

So with Kai's green tint. How much work would be required to remove it on an editing software like Adobe or Vegas? Cause I might make that a personal project of mine.

Depends how far you want to go, really.

You can pretty easily apply basic colour balance theory to it and it'll turn out a little better, but to match the colour work found in the first iteration of Kai (and the cels, by extension), you'll need to start playing with the colour channels individually with something like 'Selective Colour'. You'll have fine enough controls to undo the individual tweaks Toei made themselves that way.

The most challenging aspect is Piccolo. They well and truly - forgive my language - fucked him up. In my experience, you actually need to isolate his scenes and correct them separately from everyone else's. I have no idea what they did, but it's maddening to fix without breaking other scenes. It's the big thing that turned me off from doing this myself.

Essentially correcting Kai is a pain and how easy it is depends on how picky you are. Good luck, either way!

Jeez. I figured it'd be hard, but I never considered Piccolo.... It'd probably even be easier to just edit the Dragon Box footage and use Kai's English dub audio. At least then I can watch in 4:3 too.

You'd kind of have too color correct the Dragon Boxes as well, since there's a green tint in some shots there as well.

[TheBlackPaladin]

The Dragon Box has some color issues itself, to be sure. The thing that I noticed immediately about it is that there seems to be a slight red tint for a lot of scenes, especially the earlier ones, so in many shots the characters look like they're sunburned. I learned a few years ago (thanks to this very forum!) that apparently that's a result of the film aging.

The Dragon Box is probably the best DBZ has ever looked overall, but if we're talking specifically about the colors, I'd say pre-Buu Kai is the best that DBZ has ever looked. Kind of a bummer to see Q-TEC's work followed up by Toei's in-house job that looks like it was done by a major fan of the Matrix films.

[Arian]

I came across this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kvBSLTcSXg

The colors aren't perfect, but neither is Kai and it's far better than anything you'll see in The Final Chapters.

[Scsigs]

I came across this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kvBSLTcSXg

The colors aren't perfect, but neither is Kai and it's far better than anything you'll see in The Final Chapters.

Well, somehow he was able to get hold of either really good masters, or the animation cells & has been doing his own remaster. He's apparently going to have subbed downloads of the episodes available at some point, since another person has broadcast audio masters that he's been using in his clips. Maybe we can launch a fan project to edit scenes together with the Kai dub audio after the home releases come out & he releases his remaster. Just food for thought.

[WittyUsername]

The Dragon Box is probably the best DBZ has ever looked overall, but if we're talking specifically about the colors, I'd say pre-Buu Kai is the best that DBZ has ever looked. Kind of a bummer to see Q-TEC's work followed up by Toei's in-house job that looks like it was done by a major fan of the Matrix films.

Well, the level sets also looked pretty good from what I could tell.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Well, the level sets also looked pretty good from what I could tell.

They were good, and would probably have held up better over time if they had been completed, but only because they were in HD. They were still made from Funimation's masters, which have all kinds of visual problems. Most notably the crushed blacks, but there are many other cases of strange artifacting as well. Even if Funimation had given it the best treatment imaginable, when the source is bad, they can only go so far. Kai and the DBoxes were created from the original Japanese source, which has some wear and tear, but far exceed anything Funimation could put out on their own.