Goku has too much plot armor!!?

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Re: Goku has too much plot armor!!?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:25 pm

HeroR wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote: You're completely missing the point.
What was your point?
Do I have to explain it? The proof is in the Toei movies, GT and even Battle of Gods. Goku is made so super special and seemingly the only one who can ever do anything worthwhile in a fight because he's the main character.

I don't remember the exact quote (I think Kaboom said it) but it's in someone's signature and it basically said Goku makes everyone less special since he's stronger than everyone from Z in just his base form

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Re: Goku has too much plot armor!!?

Post by Simere » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:40 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
HeroR wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote: You're completely missing the point.
What was your point?
Do I have to explain it? The proof is in the Toei movies, GT and even Battle of Gods. Goku is made so super special and seemingly the only one who can ever do anything worthwhile in a fight because he's the main character.
I haven't watched GT or the movies, and I'm still left with the impression that Goku is super special and the only one who can usually do anything from the manga/anime. Because it's a Toriyama thing, not Toei keeping your favorite character from getting their "shine".

This thread was about plot armor, anyway, not who gets a big role in an arc. Your reply was "Toei". Review the OP's list of "plot armor" and try to find Toei:

Dragon Balls — Toriyama
Afterlife resurrection — Toriyama
Being told of the future — Toriyama
Whis time change — Toriyama
Friends with gods — Toriyama
Super Dragon Balls — Toriyama
Zeno Button — Toriyama

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Re: Goku has too much plot armor!!?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:47 pm

Simere wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote:
HeroR wrote:
What was your point?
Do I have to explain it? The proof is in the Toei movies, GT and even Battle of Gods. Goku is made so super special and seemingly the only one who can ever do anything worthwhile in a fight because he's the main character.
I haven't watched GT or the movies, and I'm still left with the impression that Goku is super special and the only one who can usually do anything from the manga/anime. Because it's a Toriyama thing, not Toei keeping your favorite character from getting their "shine".

This thread was about plot armor, anyway, not who gets a big role in an arc. Your reply was "Toei". Review the OP's list of "plot armor" and try to find Toei:

Dragon Balls — Toriyama
Afterlife resurrection — Toriyama
Being told of the future — Toriyama
Whis time change — Toriyama
Friends with gods — Toriyama
Super Dragon Balls — Toriyama
Zeno Button — Toriyama
Ok, fine. God Ki and SSJG in and of itself is huge plot armor.

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Re: Goku has too much plot armor!!?

Post by HeroR » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:01 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Do I have to explain it? The proof is in the Toei movies, GT and even Battle of Gods. Goku is made so super special and seemingly the only one who can ever do anything worthwhile in a fight because he's the main character.

I don't remember the exact quote (I think Kaboom said it) but it's in someone's signature and it basically said Goku makes everyone less special since he's stronger than everyone from Z in just his base form
But Goku was like that in the original manga. Even in the Cell Saga where Gohan killed the main villain, it was Goku's spirit who guided and encouraged Gohan to victory. Gohan even said it was Goku who saved them. So, I am not sure what you're saying since Goku being more special than the rest was always there.

Goku also lost in BOG and put himself at Beerus' mercy despite getting a major power-up.
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Ok, fine. God Ki and SSJG in and of itself is huge plot armor.
Goku still loses even with Super Saiyan God and God ki. So how does he have plot armor?

Not to be mean, but I don't think you know what plot armor actually means. But that seems to be true of this entire thread since no one has been using plot armor correctly, not even the original poster. Using Urban Dictionary:

Character shields (also known as plot armor or plot shield) are plot devices in films and television shows that prevent important characters from dying or being seriously injured at dramatically inconvenient moments. It often denotes a situation in which it strains credibility to believe that the character would survive.

So basically, all the main characters in the series have plot armor since they don't die most of the time despite half the things that happened to them. For example, Piccolo surviving having his neck broken, having half his side blown off, and tossed into the ocean is plot armor, especially since Nappa killed Piccolo with far less Force. Honestly, Mr. Satan have the most plot armor of all the heroes.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: Goku has too much plot armor!!?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:20 pm

Mr. Satan follows gag logic so he doesn't count.

And the Zeno button is pretty much plot armor by that definition you gave

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Re: Goku has too much plot armor!!?

Post by HeroR » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:29 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:Mr. Satan follows gag logic so he doesn't count.

And the Zeno button is pretty much plot armor by that definition you gave
It actually isn't. Goku's life wasn't in danger along with the other main characters. They summoned Zen'o hoping that they could still savaged something. He didn't. He only kept Zamasu from spreading into other timelines.

Mr. Satan has plot armor because the only confirmed gag character in the series is Arale. Mr. Satan isn't a gag character by the very definition of the show.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: Goku has too much plot armor!!?

Post by Gog » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:45 pm

HeroR wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote:Mr. Satan follows gag logic so he doesn't count.

And the Zeno button is pretty much plot armor by that definition you gave
It actually isn't. Goku's life wasn't in danger along with the other main characters. They summoned Zen'o hoping that they could still savaged something. He didn't. He only kept Zamasu from spreading into other timelines.

Mr. Satan has plot armor because the only confirmed gag character in the series is Arale. Mr. Satan isn't a gag character by the very definition of the show.
No, the champ is just the strongest in the show, Cell was lucky he got a cramp

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Re: Goku has too much plot armor!!?

Post by SsjCookie » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:34 am

Dbzfan94 wrote:Do I have to explain it? The proof is in the Toei movies, GT and even Battle of Gods. Goku is made so super special and seemingly the only one who can ever do anything worthwhile in a fight because he's the main character.

The show revolves around him, so he gets the best plots, the best fights, the best power-ups, the best everything. :roll:
You don't have to like it, I certainly don't but it is how it is.
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Re: Goku has too much plot armor!!?

Post by HeroR » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:58 am

SsjCookie wrote:
HeroR wrote:Do I have to explain it? The proof is in the Toei movies, GT and even Battle of Gods. Goku is made so super special and seemingly the only one who can ever do anything worthwhile in a fight because he's the main character.

The show revolves around him, so he gets the best plots, the best fights, the best power-ups, the best everything. :roll:
You don't have to like it, I certainly don't but it is how it is.
You quoted the post wrong since it was Dbzfan94 who made this comment.

Also, Goku get the best plot and fights? Is his sarcasm?
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: Goku has too much plot armor!!?

Post by SsjCookie » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:16 am

HeroR wrote:
SsjCookie wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote:Do I have to explain it? The proof is in the Toei movies, GT and even Battle of Gods. Goku is made so super special and seemingly the only one who can ever do anything worthwhile in a fight because he's the main character.

The show revolves around him, so he gets the best plots, the best fights, the best power-ups, the best everything. :roll:
You don't have to like it, I certainly don't but it is how it is.
You quoted the post wrong since it was Dbzfan94 who made this comment.

Also, Goku get the best plot and fights? Is his sarcasm?
Oops, sorry HeroR, I fixed it. :oops:

And yup, that was sarcasm. 8)

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