Weaker competitors in the tournament

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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by Nejishiki » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:59 am

The 6-10-15 comparison is not meant to be taken as a literal battle power reading and it only applied to the Battle of Gods film to begin with. Dragon Ball Super's anime & manga continuities don't follow the "laws" of Toriyama's films. It's quite unnecessary to claim foul in that regard. All three interpretations exist within a particular setting.

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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by ChronoTwigger » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:55 pm

Simere wrote:A tournament to decide the strongest of all the universes with the fate of their universe being the stakes shouldn't be decided by hot dog eating contests.

Though now that you say it, I fear it will happen.
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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by Saturnine » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:00 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:
Saturnine wrote: To which I said that was never what I meant,
There you have it, tien was never stonger than krillin and isn't now either..

Dumbing the logic down, the purpose of those numbers were to let us know who was stonger than whom, which still holds true even if the numbers themselves don't..
Similarly, krillin is still stronger than tien as mentioned by the same panel, it hasn't been officially contraindicated yet
Well then, we'll get unanimous confirmation in the tournament. Actions do speak louder than words, and direct comparisons are less vague than non-inclusive statements.

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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by Hakaishin Saitama » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:50 pm

namekiansaiyan wrote:
lunaticthegame wrote:Honestly, it would have been logical to bring Goten and Trunks in instead of Master Roshi and Krillin... the former could have been replaced by anyone. Even Chi Chi... or Yamcha...

WHERE IS YAMCHA?!?!?!?!?
Yamcha is one character who deserves a place.
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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by TekTheNinja » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:47 pm

nickzambuto wrote:I really don't see a weak character defeating another weak character as a "moment to shine." If Krillin has an intense battle with somebody slightly stronger than himself and manages to come out on top against all odds... it would be entirely meaningless. Surely Goku could have taken .00000001 microseconds out of his own battle to touch that fighter making him explode, and avoid any struggle at all.

I would much rather see the weak fighters teaming up, and using their willpower and techniques to strategically defeat somebody who is actually something worth talking about. At least a Majin Boo level fighter. It would be nice to see the Kienzan actually fulfill its intended purposes and chop a super-strong guy right in half for once.
Exactly! Imagine if there was an opponent even Goku couldn't beat and then out of nowhere he gets cut in half by a kienzan. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME! Fighting weaklings is NOT a "moment to shine". That's why I don't believe RoF used the cast as well as people say it did. Everyone just fought fodder ass Frieza minions.

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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by namekiansaiyan » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:57 pm

TekTheNinja wrote:
nickzambuto wrote:I really don't see a weak character defeating another weak character as a "moment to shine." If Krillin has an intense battle with somebody slightly stronger than himself and manages to come out on top against all odds... it would be entirely meaningless. Surely Goku could have taken .00000001 microseconds out of his own battle to touch that fighter making him explode, and avoid any struggle at all.

I would much rather see the weak fighters teaming up, and using their willpower and techniques to strategically defeat somebody who is actually something worth talking about. At least a Majin Boo level fighter. It would be nice to see the Kienzan actually fulfill its intended purposes and chop a super-strong guy right in half for once.
Exactly! Imagine if there was an opponent even Goku couldn't beat and then out of nowhere he gets cut in half by a kienzan. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME! Fighting weaklings is NOT a "moment to shine". That's why I don't believe RoF used the cast as well as people say it did. Everyone just fought fodder ass Frieza minions.
The best bet would be Tien with his Tri-beam beating someone really strong.

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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by kinisking » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:29 pm

nickzambuto wrote:I really don't see a weak character defeating another weak character as a "moment to shine." If Krillin has an intense battle with somebody slightly stronger than himself and manages to come out on top against all odds... it would be entirely meaningless. Surely Goku could have taken .00000001 microseconds out of his own battle to touch that fighter making him explode, and avoid any struggle at all.

I would much rather see the weak fighters teaming up, and using their willpower and techniques to strategically defeat somebody who is actually something worth talking about. At least a Majin Boo level fighter. It would be nice to see the Kienzan actually fulfill its intended purposes and chop a super-strong guy right in half for once.
I completely disagree with this. If Krillin has an intense battle with someone with his power level, then that'd be great. Goku could do that, but who cares? Beerus could've wiped out Zamasu, but we still cared about Goku, Vegeta and Trunks' battle with him. We don't know how the tournament is set up. Every team win might count and wasting Goku on a weaker opponent would ruin their chances so he might not be even availible.
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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by HeroR » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:53 pm

kinisking wrote: I completely disagree with this. If Krillin has an intense battle with someone with his power level, then that'd be great. Goku could do that, but who cares? Beerus could've wiped out Zamasu, but we still cared about Goku, Vegeta and Trunks' battle with him. We don't know how the tournament is set up. Every team win might count and wasting Goku on a weaker opponent would ruin their chances so he might not be even availible.
The Zamasu thing doesn't really work because Beerus wasn't allowed to time travel. Not so much when Goku or Vegeta could wipe the entire team. That was part of the problem with the Baba tournament. Krillin and Yamcha were such none factors that it would have been faster to just let Goku handle all the fighters.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by kinisking » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:42 am

HeroR wrote:
kinisking wrote: I completely disagree with this. If Krillin has an intense battle with someone with his power level, then that'd be great. Goku could do that, but who cares? Beerus could've wiped out Zamasu, but we still cared about Goku, Vegeta and Trunks' battle with him. We don't know how the tournament is set up. Every team win might count and wasting Goku on a weaker opponent would ruin their chances so he might not be even availible.
The Zamasu thing doesn't really work because Beerus wasn't allowed to time travel. Not so much when Goku or Vegeta could wipe the entire team. That was part of the problem with the Baba tournament. Krillin and Yamcha were such none factors that it would have been faster to just let Goku handle all the fighters.
Again, like I said, we don't know the rules. Goku might not be available to fight the same people. Also, I don't know if Goku would have beat the invisible man. That's not an idea Goku would come up with.
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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by HeroR » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:56 am

kinisking wrote: Again, like I said, we don't know the rules. Goku might not be available to fight the same people. Also, I don't know if Goku would have beat the invisible man. That's not an idea Goku would come up with.
Goku can smell the invisible man coming or even feel him out like what he learned at Korin's Tower.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by namekiansaiyan » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:12 pm

kinisking wrote:
HeroR wrote:
kinisking wrote: I completely disagree with this. If Krillin has an intense battle with someone with his power level, then that'd be great. Goku could do that, but who cares? Beerus could've wiped out Zamasu, but we still cared about Goku, Vegeta and Trunks' battle with him. We don't know how the tournament is set up. Every team win might count and wasting Goku on a weaker opponent would ruin their chances so he might not be even availible.
The Zamasu thing doesn't really work because Beerus wasn't allowed to time travel. Not so much when Goku or Vegeta could wipe the entire team. That was part of the problem with the Baba tournament. Krillin and Yamcha were such none factors that it would have been faster to just let Goku handle all the fighters.
Again, like I said, we don't know the rules. Goku might not be available to fight the same people. Also, I don't know if Goku would have beat the invisible man. That's not an idea Goku would come up with.
Common sense would say that it will be a format which will allow everyone to compete. Unless Toriyama is going to be a complete arsehole to the other 8 characters.

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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by HeroR » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:15 pm

namekiansaiyan wrote: Common sense would say that it will be a format which will allow everyone to compete. Unless Toriyama is going to be a complete arsehole to the other 8 characters.
It wouldn't be Toriyama if he wasn't an asshole to his characters and troll the fandom.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
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Re: Weaker competitors in the tournament

Post by kinisking » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:56 pm

HeroR wrote:
namekiansaiyan wrote: Common sense would say that it will be a format which will allow everyone to compete. Unless Toriyama is going to be a complete arsehole to the other 8 characters.
It wouldn't be Toriyama if he wasn't an asshole to his characters and troll the fandom.
I'm half expecting Gohan to job the fuck out to get back at the Gohan fan base for complaining so long. I'll be pissed but laugh at the same time because we had it coming
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