Unpopular DB opinions

[Gog]

No, its [...] A complete and utter retcon of what was stated in the previous arc, its not consistent.

How so? They never said it had to be "pure good". Just "pure". Vegeta was "pure evil", while still being "pure", thus he could be a Super Saiyan.

Tranquil and pure of heart, Vegeta tranquil? Still don't buy into it, but thanks for trying anyway!

[Nejishiki]

I didn't like that Gohan started to fight so young, he was just 5 years old, not even Goku started his adventures so young, he was already 12 or considering Minus possibly 14 years old.

Goku is still 12 years old by the time Dragon Ball starts. You had it right.

[Gog]

You know with my previous assertions that the sixth form was the ugliest form ever conceived in the entire history of Dragon ball, ever?

I was wrong.

You see while I was ranting on, on how that form was an abomination, in all senses of the word, even managing to surpass Chilled with his awful design. I forgot another member of Freeza's family. Ize who could only be concuted in the shit show known, only as Toyble's dragon ball af, which featured such amazing elements as Freeza's mother being a Kaio shin, even though the two race's are different in all senses of the word, and she would have a better chance mating with an oyster, on her planet. And whatever the hell Xicor's design was. It also featured Super Saiyan 5, which is a sin that can never be forgiven.
Now back to Ize
[spoiler][/spoiler]

now Ize is the son of Freeza, which means that he'll be important. NOPE he's only used to show off super Saiyan 5, in fact he's brushed of quickly aside from the story, and forever forgotten. Now lets see what we've got from the son of Freeza. A lack luster non existent personality. Coupled with the *shudder's* designs

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Oh God the designs, I have so many questions, and none of them are good. First off why is his finial form and ugly abomination, that makes King Cold's sixth form look good in comparison? Why does his forms have to be reversed design wise? Why are they all so ugly?!?! Oh god, on better thought, its better that he's brushed off quickly aside. The less screen time this character has the better.

[Gaffer Tape]

Either way, shifting the age of the hero changes the demographic.

I disagree. Protagonists in children's media do not need to be the same age as the viewers in order for them to connect to those characters. Look at Power Rangers. Its target demographic is little kids, but the main characters are always teenagers or young adults (or young adults playing teenagers). It never stops kids from identifying with those characters. In fact, Power Rangers Turbo got a lot of flack for introducing a pre-pubescent member of the team. Star Wars is for kids, and they almost always have adult protagonists. And yet kids have always identified with Luke or Han or Leia.

No, the type of story being told can change the demographic, but the age of the hero doing so? I don't think so.

[ABED]

And you don't need to identify with the hero as much as aspire to be like them. Batman and Superman are far more popular than characters like Robin and Speedy.

[ekrolo2]

I don't even think aspiring to be like them is necessary for a character to interest the audience, sometimes it's the people who you DON'T want to be like who can fascinate the audience just as much as the people you want to be like. Most of the best villains work precisely because they're both horrifying and enthralling to the audience. I'd even use Goku as a good example of this for a protagonist, his entire world view and methodology are entirely selfish and horribly destructive that I can't like or agree with it but it's also really interesting for a protagonist, especially in the "friendship is power!" realm of Shonen fighting manga to be such a douche.

[Alruneia]

[spoiler][/spoiler]
Oh God the designs, I have so many questions, and none of them are good. First off why is his finial form and ugly abomination, that makes King Cold's sixth form look good in comparison? Why does his forms have to be reversed design wise? Why are they all so ugly?!?! Oh god, on better thought, its better that he's brushed off quickly aside. The less screen time this character has the better.

The reason for this ugliness is that it's fanmade content. Tons of Dragon Ball fans out there have made their own characters, transformations etc., and a fair amount of those fans aren't able to tap into Toriyama's "creative mind". Therefore, they end up with characters and forms that are distinctly un-Toriyama, and when that happens, the designs tend to end up ugly.
The image you posted and I quoted is a prime example of distinctly un-Toriyama character design. It's not un-that guy character design, though, and it allows us as viewers to look into what he thinks is good design. Here, I think he attempted to combine things he finds "badass" to make a character, as suggested by the plentiful red lines and the black eyes with glowing red pupils. Those are typical for "edgy OCs" and lets us make some assumptions about the artist. So while it's difficult to enjoy the character design for its looks, it is possible to look at it for the psychology behind it. It's something, at least.

I've been considering making a "designers' corner" thread in the fan works section to discuss designing original characters and transformations, but I feel like it could be covered in the general fanfic thread, so I'm holding off on it.

[Esfír Dedragón]

[spoiler][/spoiler]
Oh God the designs, I have so many questions, and none of them are good. First off why is his finial form and ugly abomination, that makes King Cold's sixth form look good in comparison? Why does his forms have to be reversed design wise? Why are they all so ugly?!?! Oh god, on better thought, its better that he's brushed off quickly aside. The less screen time this character has the better.

The reason for this ugliness is that it's fanmade content. Tons of Dragon Ball fans out there have made their own characters, transformations etc., and a fair amount of those fans aren't able to tap into Toriyama's "creative mind". Therefore, they end up with characters and forms that are distinctly un-Toriyama, and when that happens, the designs tend to end up ugly.
The image you posted and I quoted is a prime example of distinctly un-Toriyama character design. It's not un-that guy character design, though, and it allows us as viewers to look into what he thinks is good design. Here, I think he attempted to combine things he finds "badass" to make a character, as suggested by the plentiful red lines and the black eyes with glowing red pupils. Those are typical for "edgy OCs" and lets us make some assumptions about the artist. So while it's difficult to enjoy the character design for its looks, it is possible to look at it for the psychology behind it. It's something, at least.

I've been considering making a "designers' corner" thread in the fan works section to discuss designing original characters and transformations, but I feel like it could be covered in the general fanfic thread, so I'm holding off on it.

I would rather accept these designs than the "Golden Frieza" design any day, anytime, regardless of who drew it.

[Cetra]

I think Ize without the red lines looks fine. The red lines reek of Deadman Wonderland.

[floofychan333]

The original Dragon Ball's animation is by far the best of any of the Dragon Ball series.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The original Dragon Ball's animation is by far the best of any of the Dragon Ball series.

It was consistent, but old DB was never demanding in the animation department. As far as actual movement, there's really nothing special about it at all, that's just a fact.

[nickzambuto]

I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "Jinzoningen". It's one of those words without a perfect English equivalent, so I don't think it's too weabish, since it will avoid the android vs cyborg controversy.

Saying artificial human is just terrible though. At best that's just a synonym for android. At worst, it can only describe Cell. Even worse than that, it doesn't even properly describe Cell either.

[ekrolo2]

I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "Jinzoningen". It's one of those words without a perfect English equivalent, so I don't think it's too weabish, since it will avoid the android vs cyborg controversy.

Saying artificial human is just terrible though. At best that's just a synonym for android. At worst, it can only describe Cell. Even worse than that, it doesn't even properly describe Cell either.

You either say it in MERIKAN! Or don't say it at all!

[LuckyCat]

No, the type of story being told can change the demographic, but the age of the hero doing so? I don't think so.

I understand, and quite a few of my posts described how changing Gohan to a teenager does change the story being told. Now, if we're talking about giving Gohan the exact same personality and life as a 4-year-old but arbitrarily slapping a teenage number on him, then fine, it's the same. But then, I don't really see who you're helping by doing that. Breaking the neck of a character who looks and acts like a child versus actually being a child isn't visually less cruel.

This kind of argument reminds of me of Japanese games where a girl clearly appears to be around 12, but the bio says they're magically age 274 or something so anything sexual that happens is totally fine.

[DBZAOTA482]

The original Dragon Ball's animation is by far the best of any of the Dragon Ball series.

It's the most consistent yes but it never stood out apart from some of the later stuff (like most of the fights in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai).

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The original Dragon Ball's animation is by far the best of any of the Dragon Ball series.

It's the most consistent yes but it never stood out apart from some of the later stuff (like most of the fights in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai).

There was some good stuff in the 22nd, too.

[mabalia]

I understand, and quite a few of my posts described how changing Gohan to a teenager does change the story being told. Now, if we're talking about giving Gohan the exact same personality and life as a 4-year-old but arbitrarily slapping a teenage number on him, then fine, it's the same. But then, I don't really see who you're helping by doing that. Breaking the neck of a character who looks and acts like a child versus actually being a child isn't visually less cruel.

Why would a 15 year old teen act like a 4 year old child? Why would a 10 year old boy act like a 4 year old child? I don't understand what you want to imply. It's obvious that characters have to act accordingly to the age they have.

Broken neck, death of mentor and comrades in battle before his own his eyes was what Toriyama decided to write. In my opinion, it's cruel for all the characters involved, but especially for a 5 years old boy. But like I already said, you don't have to agree, the name of this thread is unpopular opinion for a reason.

[Doctor.]

You know with my previous assertions that the sixth form was the ugliest form ever conceived in the entire history of Dragon ball, ever?

I was wrong.

You see while I was ranting on, on how that form was an abomination, in all senses of the word, even managing to surpass Chilled with his awful design. I forgot another member of Freeza's family. Ize who could only be concuted in the shit show known, only as Toyble's dragon ball af, which featured such amazing elements as Freeza's mother being a Kaio shin, even though the two race's are different in all senses of the word, and she would have a better chance mating with an oyster, on her planet. And whatever the hell Xicor's design was. It also featured Super Saiyan 5, which is a sin that can never be forgiven.
Now back to Ize
[spoiler][/spoiler]

now Ize is the son of Freeza, which means that he'll be important. NOPE he's only used to show off super Saiyan 5, in fact he's brushed of quickly aside from the story, and forever forgotten. Now lets see what we've got from the son of Freeza. A lack luster non existent personality. Coupled with the *shudder's* designs

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Oh God the designs, I have so many questions, and none of them are good. First off why is his finial form and ugly abomination, that makes King Cold's sixth form look good in comparison? Why does his forms have to be reversed design wise? Why are they all so ugly?!?! Oh god, on better thought, its better that he's brushed off quickly aside. The less screen time this character has the better.

Just a small correction, Ize is from Young Jijii's AF doujin, not Toyble's.

[ABED]

I understand, and quite a few of my posts described how changing Gohan to a teenager does change the story being told. Now, if we're talking about giving Gohan the exact same personality and life as a 4-year-old but arbitrarily slapping a teenage number on him, then fine, it's the same. But then, I don't really see who you're helping by doing that. Breaking the neck of a character who looks and acts like a child versus actually being a child isn't visually less cruel.

Why would a 15 year old teen act like a 4 year old child? Why would a 10 year old boy act like a 4 year old child? I don't understand what you want to imply. It's obvious that characters have to act accordingly to the age they have.

Broken neck, death of mentor and comrades in battle before his own his eyes was what Toriyama decided to write. In my opinion, it's cruel for all the characters involved, but especially for a 5 years old boy. But like I already said, you don't have to agree, the name of this thread is unpopular opinion for a reason.

Why does it matter if it's cruel? They're bad guys, they're supposed to do bad things.

[Gog]

You know with my previous assertions that the sixth form was the ugliest form ever conceived in the entire history of Dragon ball, ever?

I was wrong.

You see while I was ranting on, on how that form was an abomination, in all senses of the word, even managing to surpass Chilled with his awful design. I forgot another member of Freeza's family. Ize who could only be concuted in the shit show known, only as Toyble's dragon ball af, which featured such amazing elements as Freeza's mother being a Kaio shin, even though the two race's are different in all senses of the word, and she would have a better chance mating with an oyster, on her planet. And whatever the hell Xicor's design was. It also featured Super Saiyan 5, which is a sin that can never be forgiven.
Now back to Ize
[spoiler][/spoiler]

now Ize is the son of Freeza, which means that he'll be important. NOPE he's only used to show off super Saiyan 5, in fact he's brushed of quickly aside from the story, and forever forgotten. Now lets see what we've got from the son of Freeza. A lack luster non existent personality. Coupled with the *shudder's* designs

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Oh God the designs, I have so many questions, and none of them are good. First off why is his finial form and ugly abomination, that makes King Cold's sixth form look good in comparison? Why does his forms have to be reversed design wise? Why are they all so ugly?!?! Oh god, on better thought, its better that he's brushed off quickly aside. The less screen time this character has the better.

Just a small correction, Ize is from Young Jijii's AF doujin, not Toyble's.

Ahh thanks for correcting me, now I can see why Young JiJi dosen't do the dragon ball super manga