Unpopular DB opinions

[Gog]

None of those you mentioned were the problems that bothered me in F. Battle powers not making sense is the last thing you'll see me complaining about. I don't care if Freeza trained for only 4 months or even a single minute and became stronger than ever. It not making any sense logically or it is stupid is something battle power fans like doing, not me.

Yeah, but at the very least, I do like for them to make sense, at the very least

F is garbage cause 1) It was blandly boarded. 2) The director had no experience of being a director and his direction was amateurish. 3) Animation, despite having talented staff on-board was heavily corrected and ruined. People who do great work on other projects didn't deliver the level of work they're known for which is again the director's fault. These are major issues that don't let it be an enjoyable experience.

The plot? Akira Toriyama, did in fact wright all of the plot you know? Um what are the issues, just want this to be cleared. Would really appreciate for these problems to be you know cleared

Some other minor issues are Gokuu and Vegeta being absolute moronic shit bags who don't learn anything at the end and just laugh it off and pretty much say "we aren't changing no matter whatever the fuck happens". It doesn't make me go insane like it makes some other people, but it's still an issue cause they just throw away their development in the trash bin.

Just. Like. Every arc, ever, and you suddenly have a problem if that suddenly happens here? So by that logic, all the arcs, have the problem of Goku and Vegeta not changing. Whatever. That trash bin has been used the entire series.

Sumitomo's music was like not even there. I don't remember anything about any piece having any sort of impact in the film. It was just underwhelming.

Golden Freeza's theme, and the Fukkatsu No F were pretty amazing/].

I did like some of the dialogue scenes as you said and the acting by the Japanese cast was amazing as always. Nakao knocked it out of the park, but that was not enough to save a horrible product overall.

I, meant the english cast, which includes Chris Ayers, who is the perfect English Freeza, to ever have existed. I think the great voice acting was a nice complament to an amazing flawed, but fantastically enjoyable pop corn flick

[ABED]

Just. Like. Every arc, ever, and you suddenly have a problem if that suddenly happens here? So by that logic, all the arcs, have the problem of Goku and Vegeta not changing. Whatever. That trash bin has been used the entire series.

Vegeta does change. He's arguably the most dynamic character in the series. That said, it's often the case with these things they aren't problems in the beginning, but after a number of the same things occur, the straw eventually breaks the camel's back.

[Gog]

Just. Like. Every arc, ever, and you suddenly have a problem if that suddenly happens here? So by that logic, all the arcs, have the problem of Goku and Vegeta not changing. Whatever. That trash bin has been used the entire series.

Vegeta does change. He's arguably the most dynamic character in the series. That said, it's often the case with these things they aren't problems in the beginning, but after a number of the same things occur, the straw eventually breaks the camel's back.

Oh, yeah I forgot Vegeta. Facts for reminding me! man its so easy to forget that he started off evil. And yeah I'll admit it, there has to be character development.

Its just Fukkatsu No F, wasn't the place, nor the time. Nor was it also intended to be that way.

[ABED]

Its just Fukkatsu No F, wasn't the place, nor the time. Nor was it also intended to be that way.

The fact that it wasn't intended doesn't mean it's a good idea. I didn't need to Goku and Vegeta to learn a lesson, but I would've liked to have seen a good fight and I'd rather they take the series to someplace new instead of going to the well with Freeza.

[Gog]

Its just Fukkatsu No F, wasn't the place, nor the time. Nor was it also intended to be that way.

The fact that it wasn't intended doesn't mean it's a good idea. I didn't need to Goku and Vegeta to learn a lesson, but I would've liked to have seen a good fight and I'd rather they take the series to someplace new instead of going to the well with Freeza.

Yeah, I wished that too. The fights were good in Fukkatsu No F, and the franchise at the very least in the future trunks arc, has tried to pull itself out of Freeza's personal well.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

The plot is not the problem. Toriyama's script was simple just like all of his stories are. I'm talking about the storyboard and director who for F was Yamamuro Tadayoshi and he never had any experience in the director seat and he screwed up. An animated film is not only about the plot. Everything matters.

Hopefully that makes it clear. He did not use the animators' strength to maximum effect and heavily corrected some of their work with his own style which isn't that good. Hence, the lackluster and not that visually attractive of a movie.

I don't remember the themes you mentioned. So, I can't call the music good. It failed to have any appeal. Kami to Kami had a little better music. I don't care about the English cast or any other language cast cause I have no interest in watching dubs, but the Japanese cast was good and I've praised the acting, but it didn't save the movie for me.

[Gog]

The plot is not the problem. Toriyama's script was simple just like all of his stories are. I'm talking about the storyboard and director who for F was Yamamuro Tadayoshi and he never had any experience in the director seat and he screwed up. An animated film is not only about the plot. Everything matters.

Hopefully that makes it clear. He did not use the animators' strength to maximum effect and heavily corrected some of their work with his own style which isn't that good. Hence, the lackluster and not that visually attractive of a movie.

I don't remember the themes you mentioned. So, I can't call the music good. It failed to have any appeal. Kami to Kami had a little better music. I don't care about the English cast or any other language cast cause I have no interest in watching dubs, but the Japanese cast was good and I've praised the acting, but it didn't save the movie for me.

Yeah, its all opinions in the end. I like it, you don't, wont ever convince you though, and you won't ever convince me. But the last thing I have to say on it, is that the majority loved the movie.

As it succeeded at being what it was a pop corn flick

[ABED]

I don't know if they loved it as much as it brought back fond memories. It's the equivalent to a wrestling nostalgia pop.

[Cetra]

I could be wrong & I'm not attempting to invalidate your post, but I really think you have the wrong person. I've acknowledged most of your thoughts in my own posts.

I checked that old thread and you are right. It was another guy. I should have known because of another conversation.

[Kanassa]

Some other minor issues are Gokuu and Vegeta being absolute moronic shit bags who don't learn anything at the end and just laugh it off and pretty much say "we aren't changing no matter whatever the fuck happens". It doesn't make me go insane like it makes some other people, but it's still an issue cause they just throw away their development in the trash bin.

To be fair, it was like that before F. If Vegeta or Goku actually learned from their past mistakes, the Buu saga could of been easily avoided.

[ABED]

Some other minor issues are Gokuu and Vegeta being absolute moronic shit bags who don't learn anything at the end and just laugh it off and pretty much say "we aren't changing no matter whatever the fuck happens". It doesn't make me go insane like it makes some other people, but it's still an issue cause they just throw away their development in the trash bin.

To be fair, it was like that before F. If Vegeta or Goku actually learned from their past mistakes, the Buu saga could of been easily avoided.

Vegeta did learn by the end and Goku wasn't at fault for Buu.

[Gog]

Some other minor issues are Gokuu and Vegeta being absolute moronic shit bags who don't learn anything at the end and just laugh it off and pretty much say "we aren't changing no matter whatever the fuck happens". It doesn't make me go insane like it makes some other people, but it's still an issue cause they just throw away their development in the trash bin.

To be fair, it was like that before F. If Vegeta or Goku actually learned from their past mistakes, the Buu saga could of been easily avoided.

Vegeta did learn by the end and Goku wasn't at fault for Buu.

Goku. Was at fault for Buu, so was Vegeta and Babiddi. Goku could have ended the threat of Buu before it even began.

[DBZAOTA482]

No, everyone who really knows their shit would see Kaioshin was the one at fault for Boo.

[Gog]

No, everyone who really knows their shit would see Kaioshin was the one at fault for Boo.

And ChiChi is the one responsible for Gohan being a failure. No, Kaioshin was the man trying his hardest to stop Buu. Goku and Vegeta let out Buu, and Goku flat out stated, that he could have stopped him.

[Anime Kitten]

No, everyone who really knows their shit would see Kaioshin was the one at fault for Boo.

First off, how so? Some reasoning would be appreciated. Second, we all know you hate East Kaiōshin.

[kinisking]

No, everyone who really knows their shit would see Kaioshin was the one at fault for Boo.

First off, how so? Some reasoning would be appreciated. Second, we all know you hate East Kaiōshin.

Kaioshin fucked up real hard. Didn't tell anyone about the absorption ability and how it worked (goku only found out after boo explained it), didn't tell them about daburas spit ability, didn't freeze vegeta so that Goku could take him out quickly and more. I wouldn't say he's the only one to blame but he could've done better.

[Gog]

No, everyone who really knows their shit would see Kaioshin was the one at fault for Boo.

First off, how so? Some reasoning would be appreciated. Second, we all know you hate East Kaiōshin.

Kaioshin fucked up real hard. Didn't tell anyone about the absorption ability and how it worked (goku only found out after boo explained it), didn't tell them about daburas spit ability, didn't freeze vegeta so that Goku could take him out quickly and more. I wouldn't say he's the only one to blame but he could've done better.

You mean Toriyama came up with it later? Its not his fault that the god of his universe, lacks a large memory. How the hell was he supposed to know? I know Donald Trump, I know him in the way Kaio shin knows Dabura. But seriously if Donald Trump could fly, then how would I know? Goku and Vegeta would fuck his shit up if he tried that.

[kinisking]

First off, how so? Some reasoning would be appreciated. Second, we all know you hate East Kaiōshin.

Kaioshin fucked up real hard. Didn't tell anyone about the absorption ability and how it worked (goku only found out after boo explained it), didn't tell them about daburas spit ability, didn't freeze vegeta so that Goku could take him out quickly and more. I wouldn't say he's the only one to blame but he could've done better.

You mean Toriyama came up with it later? Its not his fault that the god of his universe, lacks a large memory. How the hell was he supposed to know? I know Donald Trump, I know him in the way Kaio shin knows Dabura. But seriously if Donald Trump could fly, then how would I know? Goku and Vegeta would fuck his shit up if he tried that.

Best not to bring out of universe reasons into this discussion. There's an out of universe reason for why everyone acts stupid, so it isn't really a fair argument. We're discussing who's fault it is in universe, so let's keep it that way.

The Kaioshin is supposed to watch over the universe and he doesn't even know if a famous villians spit can turn someone into stone?

[DBZAOTA482]

No, everyone who really knows their shit would see Kaioshin was the one at fault for Boo.

First off, how so? Some reasoning would be appreciated. Second, we all know you hate East Kaiōshin.

Because the purple fucker never did his job as "overseer of the universe" (like keeping a close eye on the planet he left Majin Boo which he knew was evolve) and made matters at every step. Even Goku was clowning him for his incompetence.

[Gog]

No, everyone who really knows their shit would see Kaioshin was the one at fault for Boo.

First off, how so? Some reasoning would be appreciated. Second, we all know you hate East Kaiōshin.

Because the purple fucker never did his job as "overseer of the universe" (like keeping a close eye on the planet he left Majin Boo which he knew was evolve) and made matters at every step. Even Goku was clowning him for his incompetence.

What do you mean? Its a biological thing that all Kaioshins can't do their fucking jobs. This is something that all Kaio shins are guilty of