Bardock's henchmen continued...

Ben Plante · Post by **Ben Plante** » Tue May 11, 2004 5:20 pm

Uhm, yes. Since when is Bardock a pirate?

I mean, as in, Space Pirate. I figured it was an appropriate title for what the Saiyans did... going around, conquering, mass murder... probably pillaging.

It's just the term I chose. Plus 'Occupier' sounded dumb.

Okay Liam, I won't put any fucking star asterisks anymore.

I don't swear much anyway, I had just been wondering if it was okay to when I did feel like it.

Mochi · Post by **Mochi** » Tue May 11, 2004 6:08 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Seripa was brought up, but what are the rest of the teams names and their dub names? And why does everyone automatically think Serpia is Goku's mother?

I agree with Jersey, and I also wouldn't say she was Goku's mom because she said something like,"Aren't you going to see your son?" to Bardock. But Surabi and Mufasa were saying stuff like that to eachother on The Lion King.... But oh well, I say Seripa isn't his mom. (Look! I'm on topic. )

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue May 11, 2004 7:43 pm

If she were his mom, how could Selipa give birth to Kakarotto while she's on another planet than him? O_o

Ben Plante · Post by **Ben Plante** » Tue May 11, 2004 7:45 pm

Plus, she was rather slender for someone who would have just given birth. It takes a bit to lose that extra weight.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Tue May 11, 2004 8:33 pm

Dayspring wrote:If she were his mom, how could Selipa give birth to Kakarotto while she's on another planet than him? O_o

Who says that she was? We see Goku as a newborn, but I don't think they say exactly how old he is.

Saiyans, as a species, strike me as the sort that would keep pregnency down to a minimum. I wouldn't be surprised if Saiyan women were capable of battle almost immedietly after giving birth.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Tue May 11, 2004 8:39 pm

Well, their bodies are made specifically for battle (like Vegeta said, they stay younger far longer than humans, which shows as he seems young until his 50s), so it's not implausible.

Ben Plante · Post by **Ben Plante** » Tue May 11, 2004 8:43 pm

I remember it being stated that Goku was sent to conquer Earth within his first few days of life, which would suggestm, yeah, he was a newborn. If Celipa was the mother, she most definitely would've had a bit of a gut to show for it. My sister, a new Mom, learned it can take up to half a year for the baby gut to go away.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Tue May 11, 2004 8:57 pm

But your sister also doesn't have a tail, nor does she turn into a giant monkey under a full moon, nor will she still look 30 when she's in her 50s.

You can't compare Saiyans and humans here, when we've got no evidence on Saiyan mothers at all. I'm not saying that she is Goku's mother (since there is no evidence for that), I'm just saying that it's possible.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Tue May 11, 2004 10:18 pm

True. It's entirely possible. It's just not likely.

TOEI made her, right? So that makes it even more likely that she isn't the mom. Toriyama might have had the intention of never revealing Goku's mom, and I doubt he'd want to make TOEI's creation into such an important character.

When I say important... Well, I hope you know what I mean.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Tue May 11, 2004 10:57 pm

Still even if Saiyajin females were capable of giving birth and battling a few days later, don't ya think she'd at least be a little sore when she walked?

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Tue May 11, 2004 11:15 pm

I know. It's worse than having a Kamehameha shot out of there... Well, maybe.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Tue May 11, 2004 11:37 pm

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Tue May 11, 2004 11:37 pm

Zackarotto wrote:I know. It's worse than having a Kamehameha shot out of there... Well, maybe.

I think you're all really over estimating childbirth. Sure it's painful, but I remember few years back a story about a girl who delivered her baby in a school restroom by herself, then went on to her prom without anyone knowing for awhile. It's a bad story and all, but it illustrates my point. I don't think Saiyan mothers would have any trouble going into battle after birth.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Tue May 11, 2004 11:53 pm

Ya well, that same girl then stuffed the baby in a trashcan and went back to the prom like nothing happened. She's not exactly your normal example.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:01 am

I didn't mean she was a normal example, because obviously she had mental problems. But it does show that childbirth isn't all incapacitating as a lot of people here seem to believe.

Epsilon Grey · Post by **Epsilon Grey** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:46 am

If Sasha/Fasha/Mika/Tonika/Mario van Peebles or what ever the hell her name is was Goku's mother, don't you think there would have been a tad greater focus on her death, and Bardock's reaction to it?

If the conversation has shifted to her ability to give birth and the appear on the battle field, one, Saiyan females have little or no nuturing instinct, and two, child birth is a walk in the park for them. Odds are, neither is likely, as Saiyans are very much like primates, and primate females have strong nuturing instincts. And child/monkey birth isn't a simple function. Although, we don't have a way to measure the pain of a monkey, it doesn't stand to reason that it would be anything out than OWWWWWW!

--EG

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:55 am

Epsilon Grey wrote:If the conversation has shifted to her ability to give birth and the appear on the battle field, one, Saiyan females have little or no nuturing instinct, and two, child birth is a walk in the park for them. Odds are, neither is likely, as Saiyans are very much like primates, and primate females have strong nuturing instincts.

I agree with you here. Although I would take this one step further by asserting that Saiya-jin are apes, since they're technically the same species as humans. There's also the business with them transforming into giant monkeys under a full moon.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed May 12, 2004 1:53 pm

Deus ex Machina wrote:I think you're all really over estimating childbirth. Sure it's painful, but I remember few years back a story about a girl who delivered her baby in a school restroom by herself, then went on to her prom without anyone knowing for awhile. It's a bad story and all, but it illustrates my point. I don't think Saiyan mothers would have any trouble going into battle after birth.

I'm tempted to argue that this story is one of those urban myths that "everyone" knows, but that actually turns out to be false. Like the idea that the Great Wall of China is the only man made object that can be seen from space.

As to her being sore...if she can stand having her privates stretch to over 100 times their normal size when she transforms, I'm sure she'd be able to cope with them stretching to 10 times their normal size to deliver a baby.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed May 12, 2004 2:16 pm

Sorry, post's down below.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed May 12, 2004 2:18 pm

Yes, but Liam a baby comes out of a, ahem, "particular hole". That's the part that stretches, not the whole body. I can't remember which. Trust me women who I know that have had children have said that even if the baby's not very big, a woman rips down there when pushing it out the majority of the time. Sorry to get so, uh graphic for the more squimish here. And the story about the girl who gave birth at her prom was true. It was reported on T.V. and in all the newspapers and she was charged I believe with "involuntary manslaughter" or "second-degree murder", I can't remember which.

Kanzenshuu

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