The Manga delivered justice to Goku Black Arc

[SansrivaaL]

Lets not forget goku going from ssb to ssj, even though its cuts down their stamina by 90% and black is right next to him. How can people praise garbage writing like this?

This is how ssj2 trunks attacking ssjr black should look like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Lsna09gkY

This can be explained tho, from how it looks it seems as Goku thought he had killed Zamasu with that stab, hence powering down to SSJ since he knows he can eat a senzu anyways after, not later after powering down did he noticed that Zamasu wasnt fazed at all and that the senzu's were stolen, its still a dumb move by Goku but it seems thats one of the ways that Toyo wanted Zamasu to have an edge over Goku for them to retreat.
Theres quite the difference as to why I liked the manga ver rather than the anime ver.
In the anime Trunks had the time to give a speech while blocking Black's attack face on, they had a lil fight, Black had time to counter attack which was weird since Trunks got the better of that.
In the manga Trunks didnt even have time to give a speech, he straight up stabbed Zamasu and went straight for Black with Black having no time to counter attack at all, Trunks managed to get some hits because Black wanted to attack the time machine, when Black counter attacked he succeeded, unlike his anime counterpart where he got his ass thrown into a building.

[MyNiggaGoku]

After seeing the full chapter I can say that I like the manga's version of the arc better so far.But I don't want to talk about which one is better from the other,I just want to address the fact that many of the fans feel the need to love the one version and hate the other.Yes ofc you can have your preferences but that doesn't mean that you must necessarily hate what you don't prefer.Both versions have their ups & downs so no version is perfect.Focusing only on the problems of the one medium while only focusing on the best things of the other is no right way to compare the 2.My point is that the 2 mediums are not to be compared between them.They are to be enjoyed as seperate products without being mixed together or anything like that.Enjoy everything while it lasts,nothing more and nothing less.

[HeroR]

Objectively speaking, the manga has:
>art more closely resembling the original series
>no Sumitomo score
>no animation problems
>no voice actors having to be replaced due to health issues or worse
>evidently much more close involvement from Toriyama

You can argue about subjective shit like "asspulls" all you want (both versions have them, it's sort of moot), but the anime has an overabundance of now insurmountable problems that simply don't plague the manga.

It's funny though, because the manga is supposed to merely be a promotional thing for the more fundamentally flawed "main attraction". It reminds me of the current state of Sonic the Hedgehog: Mania's basically a side game, compared to Project 2017, not even developed by Sonic Team themselves. And yet, it has fucking continents more quality assurance backing it. 2017, meanwhile, has produced nothing but red flags (in what very little has actually been said about it).

- The art of the series resembles the series to a certain point. It doesn't look like the original manga did during the Buu Saga for example.
- That is only a good thing if you don't like Sumitomo score.
- Since animation has more frames than a manga, it wouldn't run into the same problems as an anime.
- No voices, period, so we don't get to hear Black's epic voice work or any other.
- Even for the manga, the involvement is limited to him being worry about the gags, not the actually story.

The anime being more 'fundamentally flawed' is subjective. Also, the comparison to Sonic is flawed since neither Sonic Mania Sonic 2017 hasn't even been released. Sonic Mania also using the 2D games as a base and it isn't built from the ground up.

[Draconic]

Well, let's see:
-ruined Zamasu and Black's character, by turning him into pretty much the angriest YouTube commenter ever.

-killed all tension from trying to discover who Black was, with a fucking exposition dump without anyone even meeting either Black or Zamasu.

-skipped some of the best moments: showing Bulma die, sparring with Present Trunks, Vegeta's training with Trunks, Trunks seeing Gohan happy and wondering how his own life would have been, Beerus and Whis actually doing some investigation before killing Zamasu etc.

That's without mentioning the manga's usual problems of mediocre art, horrible paneling and pacing issues. And we're only halfway trough the arc! It's only going to get worse at this point.

I mean if by justice you use Zamasu's twisted sense of it, you can say it's true.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The manga fails at key things though, some of it may not be his fault like the lack of character interaction for Trunks due to time but the big thing the actual villains are so wartered down it's hard to ever imagine this was what Trunks had such trouble with remember Zamasu didn't show up until Goku and Vegeta got back, he was dealing with just Black who got destroyed by Vegeta for a whole chapter (yes Black managed to turn the tables an entire chapter later but that's beside the point). We didn't even get to see FBulma die on panel IIRC again wartering them down. While Black did turn the tables he required help from Zamasu in the anime Zamasu was bonus for Black he didn't need him it was so that the ZMP could be achieved a lot quicker. The Manga made us wait for the big fight and the this big bad villain turned out to be a chump, not how you do villains at all. More to this the whole Beerus killing him was handled so much better in the anime because there was tension because Beerus refused to kill until he actually killed Gowasu showing us, not telling us!!!

Second big thing is that the motivation is pretty non existent in the Manga for Zamasu to steal the body, he only knows of Goku by second hand information. In the anime it's makes sense he was humiliated by him first hand.

Anime absolutely destroys the Manga here.

[TKA]

so it's illegal huh. Can you suggest me what site I can use post scanlations??

There are official translated chapters out. Chances are if it's fan scanlations then it's not legal.

[zamasu121]

Lets not forget goku going from ssb to ssj, even though its cuts down their stamina by 90% and black is right next to him. How can people praise garbage writing like this?

This is how ssj2 trunks attacking ssjr black should look like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Lsna09gkY

This can be explained tho, from how it looks it seems as Goku thought he had killed Zamasu with that stab, hence powering down to SSJ since he knows he can eat a senzu anyways after, not later after powering down did he noticed that Zamasu wasnt fazed at all and that the senzu's were stolen, its still a dumb move by Goku but it seems thats one of the ways that Toyo wanted Zamasu to have an edge over Goku for them to retreat.
Theres quite the difference as to why I liked the manga ver rather than the anime ver.
In the anime Trunks had the time to give a speech while blocking Black's attack face on, they had a lil fight, Black had time to counter attack which was weird since Trunks got the better of that.
In the manga Trunks didnt even have time to give a speech, he straight up stabbed Zamasu and went straight for Black with Black having no time to counter attack at all, Trunks managed to get some hits because Black wanted to attack the time machine, when Black counter attacked he succeeded, unlike his anime counterpart where he got his ass thrown into a building.

1)So goku going from ssb to ss1 makes sense because he can waste a senzu?why not stay in ssb and not waste a senzu?
2)Black clearly saw trunks stabbing zamasu, he had enough time to react to it
3)black was clearly in pain from trunks punches

the manga also butchered future trunks character. In the anime he was mostly depressed after seeing his mother and mai die, but in the manga future trunks was like:''my mom and mai are dead...... fuck them ima go ahead and eat me some dinner and later play some video games''

[The gr]

I love the irony of this thread instead of praising the manga everyone is against it what a pointless thread is this

[HeroR]

Well, let's see:
-ruined Zamasu and Black's character, by turning him into pretty much the angriest YouTube commenter ever.

-killed all tension from trying to discover who Black was, with a fucking exposition dump without anyone even meeting either Black or Zamasu.

-skipped some of the best moments: showing Bulma die, sparring with Present Trunks, Vegeta's training with Trunks, Trunks seeing Gohan happy and wondering how his own life would have been, Beerus and Whis actually doing some investigation before killing Zamasu etc.

That's without mentioning the manga's usual problems of mediocre art, horrible paneling and pacing issues. And we're only halfway trough the arc! It's only going to get worse at this point.

I mean if by justice you use Zamasu's twisted sense of it, you can say it's true.

Can you explain what you mean the you say, 'ruined Zamasu and Black's character, by turning him into pretty much the angriest YouTube commenter ever'. Also, Vegeta did train with Trunks in the manga, it was one panel, but it was there. Also, some of the stuff you named weren't skipped, but most likely added by Toei.

[Draconic]

Well, let's see:
-ruined Zamasu and Black's character, by turning him into pretty much the angriest YouTube commenter ever.

-killed all tension from trying to discover who Black was, with a fucking exposition dump without anyone even meeting either Black or Zamasu.

-skipped some of the best moments: showing Bulma die, sparring with Present Trunks, Vegeta's training with Trunks, Trunks seeing Gohan happy and wondering how his own life would have been, Beerus and Whis actually doing some investigation before killing Zamasu etc.

That's without mentioning the manga's usual problems of mediocre art, horrible paneling and pacing issues. And we're only halfway trough the arc! It's only going to get worse at this point.

I mean if by justice you use Zamasu's twisted sense of it, you can say it's true.

Can you explain what you mean the you say, 'ruined Zamasu and Black's character, by turning him into pretty much the angriest YouTube commenter ever'.

He gets mad enough when he sees Goku using God ki on GodTube that he decides to go on and kill the entire population of the multiverse using the body of a guy he doesn't even know.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

The only thing on this planet that I have seen more overrated than the DBS manga was when the first episodes of the Sword Art Online anime came out.

[SansrivaaL]

Lets not forget goku going from ssb to ssj, even though its cuts down their stamina by 90% and black is right next to him. How can people praise garbage writing like this?

This is how ssj2 trunks attacking ssjr black should look like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Lsna09gkY

This can be explained tho, from how it looks it seems as Goku thought he had killed Zamasu with that stab, hence powering down to SSJ since he knows he can eat a senzu anyways after, not later after powering down did he noticed that Zamasu wasnt fazed at all and that the senzu's were stolen, its still a dumb move by Goku but it seems thats one of the ways that Toyo wanted Zamasu to have an edge over Goku for them to retreat.
Theres quite the difference as to why I liked the manga ver rather than the anime ver.
In the anime Trunks had the time to give a speech while blocking Black's attack face on, they had a lil fight, Black had time to counter attack which was weird since Trunks got the better of that.
In the manga Trunks didnt even have time to give a speech, he straight up stabbed Zamasu and went straight for Black with Black having no time to counter attack at all, Trunks managed to get some hits because Black wanted to attack the time machine, when Black counter attacked he succeeded, unlike his anime counterpart where he got his ass thrown into a building.

1)So goku going from ssb to ss1 makes sense because he can waste a senzu?why not stay in ssb and not waste a senzu?
2)Black clearly saw trunks stabbing zamasu, he had enough time to react to it
3)black was clearly in pain from trunks punches

the manga also butchered future trunks character. In the anime he was mostly depressed after seeing his mother and mai die, but in the manga future trunks was like:''my mom and mai are dead...... fuck them ima go ahead and eat me some dinner and later play some video games''

1. Like I said it was a dumb move but that can explain it, he got cocky which is a normal Goku thing in the manga and the anime.
2.He saw it yes but compared to the anime where Trunks was able to give a speech while battling it out and winning it?
3.Well normally a little, but shrugged it off like nothing when he counter attacked, but like I said he was aiming for the time machine so that still caught him off guard.

[HeroR]

He gets mad enough when he sees Goku using God ki on GodTube that he decides to go on and kill the entire population of the multiverse using the body of a guy he doesn't even know.

Okay...now I can't unsee this. It does make Black look pathetic.

[Lord Beerus]

Well, the manga has also kept the huge plot hole of Beerus destroying Zamasu being the reason for the split in the timeline and Goku Black becoming a walking time paradox. It was bullshit in the anime and it's bullshit in the manga. Sad thing about all of this is that this plot point most likely came from Toriyama's plot outline for the arc considering it appears in both mediums. So it all really comes down to him fucking everything up.

[HeroR]

Well, the manga has also kept the huge plot hole of Beerus destroying Zamasu being the reason for the split in the timeline and Goku Black becoming a walking time paradox. It was bullshit in the anime and it's bullshit in the manga. Sad thing about all of this is that this plot point most likely came from Toriyama's plot outline for the arc considering it appears in both mediums. So it all really comes down to him fucking everything up.

But it isn't a plot hole since it was always just an assumption that time travel in of itself caused time splits. Beerus causing the split doesn't go against anything shown in the manga. Black is also not a paradox in the manga since he didn't create his own exists unlike his anime counterpart.

[TheMikado]

I love the irony of this thread instead of praising the manga everyone is against it what a pointless thread is this

Except that's not the case, it's a very vocal group who feel that way. In every thread it's the same people trashing or defending their preferred work so it just looks like it. If you look at the more casual commentators their thoughts are more reflective of the norm.
The anime is fine if you turn your brain off and like the more dimensional characters and the manga is great for fans who love lore and story. It's basically about what you're looking for and enjoy.

[TheMikado]

He gets mad enough when he sees Goku using God ki on GodTube that he decides to go on and kill the entire population of the multiverse using the body of a guy he doesn't even know.

Okay...now I can't unsee this. It does make Black look pathetic.

Zamasu was always sad and pathetic to me, but I view all Kaioshin that way because of their introduction in the Buu arc. For me they will always have unjustified pride and inflated sense of justice due to their position, despite know far less than they actually know. It just seems to be a trait of young Kaioshin.

[Captain Strawberry]

I like the arc in the Manga more

[Lord Beerus]

Well, the manga has also kept the huge plot hole of Beerus destroying Zamasu being the reason for the split in the timeline and Goku Black becoming a walking time paradox. It was bullshit in the anime and it's bullshit in the manga. Sad thing about all of this is that this plot point most likely came from Toriyama's plot outline for the arc considering it appears in both mediums. So it all really comes down to him fucking everything up.

But it isn't a plot hole since it was always just an assumption that time travel in of itself caused time splits. Beerus causing the split doesn't go against anything shown in the manga. Black is also not a paradox in the manga since he didn't create his own exists unlike his anime counterpart.

We can't rely on assumptions. Especially when it comes to a plot device time travel and rules always change in that regard for the convenience of the plot, and all it take something minor to fuck everything up. Beerus killing Zamasu is the action that directly causes the split in the timeline, meaning that in the original timeline, Zamasu survived that encounter. Hell, Goku Black when mentions Beerus, Zamasu didn't know who he was prior to meeting him. Confirming he wasn't supposed to die in that timeline, which also doesn't make sense. None of this makes no sense. The fact of the matter is that Goku Black shouldn't exist. Period. He's a walking paradox.

[TheMikado]

Well, the manga has also kept the huge plot hole of Beerus destroying Zamasu being the reason for the split in the timeline and Goku Black becoming a walking time paradox. It was bullshit in the anime and it's bullshit in the manga. Sad thing about all of this is that this plot point most likely came from Toriyama's plot outline for the arc considering it appears in both mediums. So it all really comes down to him fucking everything up.

But it isn't a plot hole since it was always just an assumption that time travel in of itself caused time splits. Beerus causing the split doesn't go against anything shown in the manga. Black is also not a paradox in the manga since he didn't create his own exists unlike his anime counterpart.

We can't rely on assumptions. Especially when it comes to a plot device time travel and rules always change in that regard for the convenience of the plot, and all it take something minor to fuck everything up. Beerus killing Zamasu is the action that directly causes the split in the timeline, meaning that in the original timeline, Zamasu survived that encounter. Hell, Goku Black when mentions Beerus, Zamasu didn't know who he was prior to meeting him. Confirming he wasn't supposed to die in that timeline, which also doesn't make sense. None of this makes no sense. The fact of the matter is that Goku Black shouldn't exist. Period. He's a walking paradox.

What? No the original timeline would have them going straight to the universe tournament while Zamasu becomes black and flees to another timeline. Who knows what happens to timeline 5 but Trunks coming back fans stopping Zamasu creates timeline 6, the current one. The original timeline always has Black being created because Trunks wasn't around to stop him. Basically we now have two timelines in Super, one where the Trunks arc never happens and Zamasu becomes black and one where Trunks comes back and Zamasu dies. We are currently in the 6th timeline.