Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

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Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by DSB » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:05 am

Babidi can take Yakon and Even Dabura but not Freeza ????

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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by nickzambuto » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:41 am

Freeza would break that shit just like Vegeta did. He's too inhumanly greedy to take somebody else's orders.

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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by DSB » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:21 pm

nickzambuto wrote:Freeza would break that shit just like Vegeta did. He's too inhumanly greedy to take somebody else's orders.
Freeza wont even lick Vegeta's feet in terms of Pride and willpower . Hence , Freeza breaksdown in tough situations . Vegeta never broke down [other than Freeza , but that time he had no energy left anyway ]

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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by DBZ Macky » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:26 pm

Maybe because he was already dead? Kaioshin didn't know about Dabra either so it's not a strech to assume that he would get Freeza next if he didn't already have Dabra.
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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by nickzambuto » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:28 pm

DSB wrote:
nickzambuto wrote:Freeza would break that shit just like Vegeta did. He's too inhumanly greedy to take somebody else's orders.
Freeza wont even lick Vegeta's feet in terms of Pride and willpower . Hence , Freeza breaksdown in tough situations . Vegeta never broke down [other than Freeza , but that time he had no energy left anyway ]
Freeza has never given up. Even when the earthlings were driving him to the brink of insanity, he never actually gave up. He's one of the only characters who was truly capable of going toe-to-toe with Goku in a knock-down, drag-out, bloody brutal battle of wills, with a missing limb (his tail) and while puking out blood. Not for a moment did Freeza ever want to quit. It got to the point where Goku himself had to stop the fight, because despite being vastly outclassed, Freeza refused to.

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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by floofychan333 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:57 pm

Babidi probably never found Frieza, and if he did, Frieza's willpower would have been too strong.
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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:02 pm

He probably had Dabra, Yakon and Pui Pui on his side while Freeza was still around. He didn't really need him.
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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by Gog » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:05 pm

Because if there's anyone more prideful and never gives up than Vegeta. It's Freeza. I imagine that Babidi would have consistently flooded him with mind control but Freeza just walked through it like it was nothing

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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:55 pm

The universe is big. Most likely he literally never heard of Freeza, who despite all his posturing is just a particularly powerful space pirate.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by DSB » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:46 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:The universe is big. Most likely he literally never heard of Freeza, who despite all his posturing is just a particularly powerful space pirate.

AND the 4th most Powerful Mortal in Universe 7 after Buu , Dabura and Yakon . What's your point ???

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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:08 am

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RandomGuy96 wrote:The universe is big. Most likely he literally never heard of Freeza, who despite all his posturing is just a particularly powerful space pirate.

AND the 4th most Powerful Mortal in Universe 7 after Buu , Dabura and Yakon .
...according to him and his henchmen.

Of course, him being the most powerful would actually be functionally irrelevant when talking about how easy he would be to find.
What's your point ???
My point is simply. SPACE. IS. BIG. Freeza could have come into contact with literally hundreds of thousands of planets (I don't think he did, but let's be generous) and still not even be close to being known by a fraction of a percent of the planets in his galaxy. Much less the universe. He's big in his backyard, but most people would literally have never heard of him.

Ever hear of the Mass Effect series? It makes a good point about how big even one galaxy is, much less the hundreds of billions of galaxies in the observable universe. The various spacefaring species there consist of collectively trillions of individuals inhabiting a galactic community of tens of thousands of planets... and it's explicitly stated that they could never hope to explore 1% of the galaxy's stars in any timeframe that would be relevant to anyone alive at the time, and that the space between a relative few planets scattered throughout the galaxy is a complete unknown. It's said that there could be another galactic community on the scale of their's in the same galaxy, and they just never noticed each other.

Space is big.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by apex_pretador » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:49 am

nickzambuto wrote:Freeza would break that shit just like Vegeta did. He's too inhumanly greedy to take somebody else's orders.
Gog wrote:Because if there's anyone more prideful and never gives up than Vegeta. It's Freeza. I imagine that Babidi would have consistently flooded him with mind control but Freeza just walked through it like it was nothing

Agreed. Freeza is too tough mentally to be taken into control.
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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by Israelite Wolfman » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:29 pm

As the penguin singer in the Champa Saga sang: "THE UNIVERSE IS BIG!". It's stated in the anime that Babidi set a course to Earth once he detected high power levels that were enough to revive Majin Buu, probably referring to the Cell Games.

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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:34 pm

Gog wrote:Because if there's anyone more prideful and never gives up than Vegeta. It's Freeza. I imagine that Babidi would have consistently flooded him with mind control but Freeza just walked through it like it was nothing
Freeza begged for Goku to spare his life. There's nothing prideful about that.
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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by Gog » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:38 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Gog wrote:Because if there's anyone more prideful and never gives up than Vegeta. It's Freeza. I imagine that Babidi would have consistently flooded him with mind control but Freeza just walked through it like it was nothing
Freeza begged for Goku to spare his life. There's nothing prideful about that.
Vegeta begged, and cried from Freeza. Even the most prideful have their most shameful moments.

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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by Ki Breaker » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:42 pm

Gog wrote:Even the most prideful have their most shameful moments.
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Yeah, they do, but in case of freeza it was pure cunning strategy, he attacked Goku even with his last energy
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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by kinisking » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:30 pm

DSB wrote:
nickzambuto wrote:Freeza would break that shit just like Vegeta did. He's too inhumanly greedy to take somebody else's orders.
Freeza wont even lick Vegeta's feet in terms of Pride and willpower . Hence , Freeza breaksdown in tough situations . Vegeta never broke down [other than Freeza , but that time he had no energy left anyway ]
Vegeta broke down against cell too. Gohan only gIves up once Vegeta does .
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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by dragon boss z » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:00 am

DSB wrote:
nickzambuto wrote:Freeza would break that shit just like Vegeta did. He's too inhumanly greedy to take somebody else's orders.
Freeza wont even lick Vegeta's feet in terms of Pride and willpower . Hence , Freeza breaksdown in tough situations . Vegeta never broke down [other than Freeza , but that time he had no energy left anyway ]
Looks like somebody is a Vegeta fan... Remember that time when Frieza made Vegeta cry? lol.

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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by rereboy » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:46 am

Gog wrote:
Vegeta begged, and cried from Freeza. Even the most prideful have their most shameful moments.
Vegeta cried in frustration. He didn't beg to Freeza.

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Re: Why didn't Babidi enslave Freeza?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:53 am

Gog wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Gog wrote:Because if there's anyone more prideful and never gives up than Vegeta. It's Freeza. I imagine that Babidi would have consistently flooded him with mind control but Freeza just walked through it like it was nothing
Freeza begged for Goku to spare his life. There's nothing prideful about that.
Vegeta begged, and cried from Freeza. Even the most prideful have their most shameful moments.
Vegeta wasn't begging for forgiveness or mercy like Freeza.... in fact, he cried because of his shattered pride. Freeza was just being a pussy who can't face reality.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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