Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Kanassa
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by Kanassa » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:53 am
TekTheNinja wrote:
1: It makes potara fusion have no real drawbacks.
5: It's a pointless change when they previously established that the dragon balls can unfuse someone.
Then the potara fusion already had no real draw backs. Hell, this actually adds a draw back as using it in their most powerful form severly limits the time they can use the fusion.
3: It makes Elder Kaioshin look like an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.
Not really, it's perfectly understandable that Elder Kai wouldn't know about this. He was stuck in a sword for a few centuries, and the Kaioshins don't seem to interact with mortals often. There's nothing saying that this fact about this fusion is common knowledge or that Elder Kai should know it.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Kanassa wrote:FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.

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by SSJ Ace Son » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:45 pm
TekTheNinja wrote:emperior wrote: I don't get why so many people still cry about that "retcon"
Stop with the quotation marks. It's a retcon.
Retcon: "a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency."
That's 100% what this is.
And there are multiple reasons it's annoying as fuck:
1: It makes potara fusion have no real drawbacks.
2: It makes potara fusion better than fusion dance in EVERY way.
3: It makes Elder Kaioshin look like an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.
4: It means rather than being a last ditch effort, they can fuse whenever, without repercussions.
5: It's a pointless change when they previously established that the dragon balls can unfuse someone.
6: It meant we couldn't get any more time with Vegito, like was often hoped.
7: Pointless retcons in general are annoying (Even if it's something minor like Trunks' blue hair)
I could probably go on, but these are the main seven reasons.
SSJ Ace Son wrote: (i even go to school and behave saiyan like, whch has gotten me in trouble)
I'm sorry, you do what? Please elaborate. XD
Yea you heard me right. I go to school and say I'm half saiyan. And I say I won't let my pride be taken down by a bunch of humans. The principal has said I'm crazy. I always have anger problems. Then I say I have lots of warrior pride.

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by emperior » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:51 pm
SSJ Ace Son wrote:TekTheNinja wrote:emperior wrote: I don't get why so many people still cry about that "retcon"
Stop with the quotation marks. It's a retcon.
Retcon: "a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency."
That's 100% what this is.
And there are multiple reasons it's annoying as fuck:
1: It makes potara fusion have no real drawbacks.
2: It makes potara fusion better than fusion dance in EVERY way.
3: It makes Elder Kaioshin look like an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.
4: It means rather than being a last ditch effort, they can fuse whenever, without repercussions.
5: It's a pointless change when they previously established that the dragon balls can unfuse someone.
6: It meant we couldn't get any more time with Vegito, like was often hoped.
7: Pointless retcons in general are annoying (Even if it's something minor like Trunks' blue hair)
I could probably go on, but these are the main seven reasons.
SSJ Ace Son wrote: (i even go to school and behave saiyan like, whch has gotten me in trouble)
I'm sorry, you do what? Please elaborate. XD
Yea you heard me right. I go to school and say I'm half saiyan. And I say I won't let my pride be taken down by a bunch of humans. The principal has said I'm crazy. I always have anger problems. Then I say I have lots of warrior pride.

Wow dude I wouldn't go around bragging about that. I hope you are just acting up.
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by Kanassa » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:08 pm
emperior wrote:
Wow dude I wouldn't go around bragging about that. I hope you are just acting up.
I think they're joking.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Kanassa wrote:FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.

- FoolsGil, Out of Context, 2017
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by SSJ Ace Son » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:44 pm
Kanassa wrote:emperior wrote:
Wow dude I wouldn't go around bragging about that. I hope you are just acting up.
I think they're joking.
tbh I'm not. but hey i get bullied a lot over stupid things so I'm really just trying to make myself feel better.

i got good friends to make me feel better. lol but thanks for the advice

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by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:45 pm
Vegetto is not ruined. He is still pure and unspoiled, and has yet to succumb to the temptations of the flesh.
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by emi_b7 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:53 pm
I actually liked that they made it a non permanent fusion. As it was (thought to be) before, you had to wonder why they didn't fuse everytime some strong asshole shows up. If you are going to include an OP power up and you don't plan to use it after it's introduction, you have to give it a drawback. Now the Potara fusion has one.
Then again, I don't really care about Vegito. I don't think I even consider him a character lol. I would agree that the fusion should have lasted the whole episode or something like that, especially if this is the last time they will use it.