Your thoughts on toyotaro take of the U6 tournament

[RehBeh]

What's with everyone saying Hit is weaker in the manga? Because Goku didn't use Kaio-Ken? That's just a decision Toei made, plus Goku admits that Hit is better than him in the manga too.

Hit was able to compete with an SSB Kaioken in the anime, he couldn't even match up to SSB at his full power in the manga. So yeah, he was weaker in Toyotaro's version.

That argument is flawed. I can say that Goku in the manga is stronger than Goku in the anime and that's why he didn't use Kaio-Ken. However we don't know if that's true(same with Hit)

[Jinzoningen MULE]

That argument is flawed. I can say that Goku in the manga is stronger than Goku in the anime...

Ten times? Use a bit of common sense on this one.

[RehBeh]

That argument is flawed. I can say that Goku in the manga is stronger than Goku in the anime...

Ten times? Use a bit of common sense on this one.

I did not say that's he is in fact stronger, i just used it as an example. Yet there's nothing to support he's weaker. Trying to compare the manga and the anime is kinda stupid, since they have different writers.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Trying to compare the manga and the anime is kinds stupid, since they have different writers.

Drawing direct parallels between specific sequences isn't useful, but of course we can compare them. They're complimentary products.

[RehBeh]

Trying to compare the manga and the anime is kinds stupid, since they have different writers.

Drawing direct parallels between specific sequences isn't useful, but of course we can compare them. They're complimentary products.

Of course we can make comparisons. But that doesn't mean that things are exactly the same. Also even in the manga Goku admitted that Hit is better than him and it was the rules that restricted him.

[Lord Beerus]

Wow many people misread my post i said no comparison to the anime but whatever and the only fighter in u6 that put up a figth in the anime was hit the others are just jobbers

Oh, sorry. Well... it was pretty underwhelming, for the lack of a better word. As I already said, Piccolo jobbed out in the worst way in, Hit was a one-trick pony, Cabba and Vegeta was disappointing and Frost had zero character. There was so much emphasis that Goku and Vegeta could have single-handedly won the whole tournament on their own, that it resulted in the tournament having less tension.

Wait a minute? Frost had zero character? I thought he was better than he was in the anime. Care to explain?

There's nothing to his character. He's ultimately just a guy who sometime uses poison to fight if he's up against stronger opponents. That's it. There's nothing to his characterisation. He's a very flat character.

[Freeza9000]

Oh, sorry. Well... it was pretty underwhelming, for the lack of a better word. As I already said, Piccolo jobbed out in the worst way in, Hit was a one-trick pony, Cabba and Vegeta was disappointing and Frost had zero character. There was so much emphasis that Goku and Vegeta could have single-handedly won the whole tournament on their own, that it resulted in the tournament having less tension.

Wait a minute? Frost had zero character? I thought he was better than he was in the anime. Care to explain?

There's nothing to his character. He's ultimately just a guy who sometime uses poison to fight if he's up against stronger opponents. That's it. There's nothing to his characterisation. He's a very flat character.

Not to mention, a very stupid one because of how he revealed his true colors and motives to everyone at the tournament when there wasn't a need for that.

[The gr]

Wait a minute? Frost had zero character? I thought he was better than he was in the anime. Care to explain?

There's nothing to his character. He's ultimately just a guy who sometime uses poison to fight if he's up against stronger opponents. That's it. There's nothing to his characterisation. He's a very flat character.

Not to mention, a very stupid one because of how he revealed his true colors and motives to everyone at the tournament when there wasn't a need for that.

Uh no in the manga he never revealed his true colors and frost is just a nice guy in the manga but he's just impatient or cowardly

[Baggie_Saiyan]

What's with everyone saying Hit is weaker in the manga? Because Goku didn't use Kaio-Ken? That's just a decision Toei made, plus Goku admits that Hit is better than him in the manga too.

We don't know that. Remember Toyo didn't make Goku revert into SS in his BoG rendition he stayed SSG throughout, so we don't know what he changes too.

[Zephyr]

The "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" name gag is easily one of my favorites from the franchise-revival period.

The flashback fight between Beerus and Champa was amazingly over the top, and was the first time since the Super #17 arc that a post-Freeza fight has really felt appropriately scaled.

Frost is a "sneaky jerk", rather than a Freeza clone, which is cool.

Giving Super Saiyan Blue a drawback is really good, I think.

My biggest gripe is the ending. Having Bulma spend so much time in the beginning getting information on the Super Dragon Balls, and yet having the actual use of them take up little more than a page, is something I wouldn't have done. Too much build up for too little payoff.

Overall, I feel like this would do better, in animated form, as a film, rather than an episodic anime. For starters, the story was written from beginning to end, and then submitted, rather than being crafted itself episodically. Crunched some numbers out of curiosity. The manga for the Saiyan arc had around 672 pages. Kai adapted that into about 320 minutes of animation. This arc had about 228 pages. An adaptation of the same pacing would yield around 108 minutes of animation (assuming my math isn't all fucked up). Just under 2 hours is a perfect runtime for a film.

[SansrivaaL]

Enjoyed it, especially on how Toyo uses different fight stance for Goku (tho most of em are re-used from Toriyama's) its still better than Toei always having Goku in his signature stance.
The fight between Goku V Hit was handled better in the manga for me (not really a fan of the whole SSJBKK double aura thing) you can really feel them one upping the other step by step, I liked how Goku used his form step by step as well (excluding SSJ2/3) and how I view Goku as a badass in the manga and a child in the anime (to be clear this is a personal view thing, dont put your "anime did this and that")

[RehBeh]

What's with everyone saying Hit is weaker in the manga? Because Goku didn't use Kaio-Ken? That's just a decision Toei made, plus Goku admits that Hit is better than him in the manga too.

We don't know that. Remember Toyo didn't make Goku revert into SS in his BoG rendition he stayed SSG throughout, so we don't know what he changes too.

I think Toriyama said that the manga is faithful to his work and praised it for this, thus making me assume that the Kaio-Ken was Toei decision.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I think Toriyama said that the manga is faithful to his work and praised it for this, thus making me assume that the Kaio-Ken was Toei decision.

He didn't say anything indicative like that, no.

[RehBeh]

I think Toriyama said that the manga is faithful to his work and praised it for this, thus making me assume that the Kaio-Ken was Toei decision.

He didn't say anything indicative like that, no.

Yeah, you're right. There was a message from him saying that he liked Toyotaro's work but that's it. I messed thing up.

[HybridSaiyan]

Why are people getting mad that Hit is stronger in the anime than the manga anyway? Who cares? Power levels are nothing anymore! They mean shit. As long as the fight was presented in an enjoyable and suspenseful way, I couldn't care less.

Plus the anime messed the Goku vs Hit fight at the end, when they played the opening song to reflect Goku's victory. That's like playing Cha la head cha la when Goku was tanking Frieza or playing WE GOT POWER when Goku kills Buu with the spirit bomb.

[Beyond]

Why are people getting mad that Hit is stronger in the anime than the manga anyway? Who cares? Power levels are nothing anymore! They mean shit. As long as the fight was presented in an enjoyable and suspenseful way, I couldn't care less.

Plus the anime messed the Goku vs Hit fight at the end, when they played the opening song to reflect Goku's victory. That's like playing Cha la head cha la when Goku was tanking Frieza or playing WE GOT POWER when Goku kills Buu with the spirit bomb.

None of them were suspenseful in my mind. Goku felt like he was in control the entire fight against hit. Vegeta stomped through all his fights up til hit. Piccolo resigned himself to being a jobber. Despite not having suspense, I will admit the artwork was very nice, but i didn't appreciate that Piccolo vs Frost got the least attention out of Frost's 3 battles since toyo knew Piccolo would only get 1 fight. It almost felt like Toyo himself thought Piccolo didn't deserve to have a fight.

[The gr]

Why are people getting mad that Hit is stronger in the anime than the manga anyway? Who cares? Power levels are nothing anymore! They mean shit. As long as the fight was presented in an enjoyable and suspenseful way, I couldn't care less.

Plus the anime messed the Goku vs Hit fight at the end, when they played the opening song to reflect Goku's victory. That's like playing Cha la head cha la when Goku was tanking Frieza or playing WE GOT POWER when Goku kills Buu with the spirit bomb.

None of them were suspenseful in my mind. Goku felt like he was in control the entire fight against hit. Vegeta stomped through all his fights up til hit. Piccolo resigned himself to being a jobber. Despite not having suspense, I will admit the artwork was very nice, but i didn't appreciate that Piccolo vs Frost got the least attention out of Frost's 3 battles since toyo knew Piccolo would only get 1 fight. It almost felt like Toyo himself thought Piccolo didn't deserve to have a fight.

Let's be real piccolo Fighting frost in both the manga and anime add nothing to the plot and that match was pointless

blame toriyama for having piccolo get pushed in the sidelines

[HybridSaiyan]

Why are people getting mad that Hit is stronger in the anime than the manga anyway? Who cares? Power levels are nothing anymore! They mean shit. As long as the fight was presented in an enjoyable and suspenseful way, I couldn't care less.

Plus the anime messed the Goku vs Hit fight at the end, when they played the opening song to reflect Goku's victory. That's like playing Cha la head cha la when Goku was tanking Frieza or playing WE GOT POWER when Goku kills Buu with the spirit bomb.

None of them were suspenseful in my mind. Goku felt like he was in control the entire fight against hit. Vegeta stomped through all his fights up til hit. Piccolo resigned himself to being a jobber. Despite not having suspense, I will admit the artwork was very nice, but i didn't appreciate that Piccolo vs Frost got the least attention out of Frost's 3 battles since toyo knew Piccolo would only get 1 fight. It almost felt like Toyo himself thought Piccolo didn't deserve to have a fight.

I agree Piccolo's been downgraded more than he should, he has hidden abilities that Toei and Toyo kept silent about. It's just the same case as the RoF arc, Piccolo should be stronger than Tagoma and Shisami.

[Beyond]

Why are people getting mad that Hit is stronger in the anime than the manga anyway? Who cares? Power levels are nothing anymore! They mean shit. As long as the fight was presented in an enjoyable and suspenseful way, I couldn't care less.

Plus the anime messed the Goku vs Hit fight at the end, when they played the opening song to reflect Goku's victory. That's like playing Cha la head cha la when Goku was tanking Frieza or playing WE GOT POWER when Goku kills Buu with the spirit bomb.

None of them were suspenseful in my mind. Goku felt like he was in control the entire fight against hit. Vegeta stomped through all his fights up til hit. Piccolo resigned himself to being a jobber. Despite not having suspense, I will admit the artwork was very nice, but i didn't appreciate that Piccolo vs Frost got the least attention out of Frost's 3 battles since toyo knew Piccolo would only get 1 fight. It almost felt like Toyo himself thought Piccolo didn't deserve to have a fight.

Let's be real piccolo Fighting frost in both the manga and anime add nothing to the plot and that match was pointless

blame toriyama for having piccolo get pushed in the sidelines

I agree which is why I want Toriyama to only utilize characters he actually cares about.

[MaxZ]

I thought the anime version was much better. Hit was an actual challenge for Goku in the anime, in the manga he was just a chump, as was everyone else.

plus Frost didn't even have his backstory in the manga!