"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Cipher]

Goku is caught up in their whims since he just wanted a tournament. No universes being nuke. Just like in the Champa Saga how he wanted to have fun fights, yet Champa called all the fighters pawns.

Goku has a complicated relationship with the gods. Namely, he likes the challenge they give him, but he doesn't like how the gods treats mortals like they're toys.

Granted, it's Gokus interaction with an even higher god that's caused the problem, and Goku won't be happy with the consequences either, but the dynamic has still turned 180 degrees from Champa calling them "pawns" and Goku saying "for now."

That, it turns out, wasn't the conflict Toriyama was interested in resolving. Or, insomuch as it is resolved now, it's because Goku has become the inconvenience and threat to Beerus and Champa rather than the other way around. Not because of his strength, but because of his temperament. Zeno's just the tool.

Still feels like some nice sleight of hand.

[alakazam^]

I wonder if the Dragon Balls will be part of the tournament as well or if they were in the opening just as visuals. Never thought of it but getting Dragon Balls during the matches seem an interesting idea.

[HeroR]

Granted, it's Gokus interaction with an even higher god that's caused the problem, and Goku won't be happy with the consequences either, but the dynamic has still turned 180 degrees from Champa calling them "pawns" and Goku saying "for now."

That, it turns out, wasn't the conflict Toriyama was interested in resolving. Or, insomuch as it is resolved now, it's because Goku has become the inconvenience and threat to Beerus and Champa rather than the other way around. Not because of his strength, but because of his temperament. Zeno's just the tool.

Still feels like some nice sleight of hand.

The higher gods literally came to him, so it would be Beerus' fault more than anyone since had to fight a Super Saiyan God. And they are still pawns. Except now it's 'dance or die', while Goku was just expecting Champa Saga 2.0.

That is still the conflict, between mortals and gods, since the only reason why the Champa Saga happened is because Goku wanted the tournament suggested by Champa and Beerus agreed for Goku's benefit. Goku was even the one who created the rules. So, Goku got the same thing here, except with some unexpected consequences.

As I said, Goku has a complexed relationship with the gods. He loves fighting people across the multiverse and he can only do that through the gods. At the same time, he doesn't like how the gods screw with mortals and treat them like Pokemon.

[Vegito Black]

Predicting bras brith changes Zeno's heart as it shows him the miracle of life, Goten and trunks don't participate because they're helping Bulma. And she'll give birth during a Vegeta fight making him surrender so he can help with the birth.

[namekiansaiyan]

This is probably my craziest theory I have done but what if the reason why the 7 non saiyans were holding the dragon balls in the opening is becuase they get powered up by abosrbing the power of a Dragon ball.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

This is probably my craziest theory I have done but what if the reason why the 7 non saiyans were holding the dragon balls in the opening is becuase they get powered up by abosrbing the power of a Dragon ball.

You're right, that is a crazy idea.

It was just an aesthetic choice, don't look so deeply into it.

[kinisking]

I believed it was in the manga when they were talking about how powerful Trunks was when he killed Freeza. The anime made both Freeza and Trunks stronger, while Trunks wasn't that much stronger than Super Saiyan Goku on Namek. Then in the Trunks Special manga chapter, Future Bulma said that Trunks was only as powerful as Gohan before he died.

Eh, I'm skeptical. Bulma wouldn't really know how strong Trunks or Gohan is and she say's they're about the same power instead of outright saying they are the same power level. I think that gives Future Gohan enough lee way to be anywhere from ssj Goku when he comes back to earth to ssj Vegeta against the androids. I think that's respectable considering he didn't have proper training methods or someone to properly train with.

In the manga 17 reveals that he's only been using 50% of his power against Gohan, and once he uses his full power Gohan gets completely wasted so I don't think being only a little over half of the future androids who are a good deal weaker than the present androids is all that respectable.

It is considering all the handicaps he had.

[namekiansaiyan]

This is probably my craziest theory I have done but what if the reason why the 7 non saiyans were holding the dragon balls in the opening is becuase they get powered up by abosrbing the power of a Dragon ball.

You're right, that is a crazy idea.

It was just an aesthetic choice, don't look so deeply into it.

Them 7 were chosen just becuase they are the not Saiyans but if my theory happened it would be my favourite thing in this show.

[SansrivaaL]

This is probably my craziest theory I have done but what if the reason why the 7 non saiyans were holding the dragon balls in the opening is becuase they get powered up by abosrbing the power of a Dragon ball.

Crazy indeed, I saw it as simply because the 3 saiyans had their own solo focus shots so they had the others hold the ball at least.
Goku was as usual everyfckingwhere in the OP
Vegeta was training, even had a fight
Gohan was meditating and hyped up his mystic aura with lightning
I see Krillin as the luckiest non saiyan, dude got to hold the 1star ball and had a solo focus shot of it.
Sadly Piccolo,Boo and 18 didnt have a solo shot *which sucks*
They put way too much Goku V Bald dude in the OP.

[Neon Z]

Goku is not superman, he dose not have a any natural invulnerability. If he does not focus his ki into protecting his body then he can get scratched or laser beamed through the heart.

This was never stated in any media as far I remember.

Revival F... Well, it's not outright said 'focus his ki', but it's said that if he gets careless he could get wounded easily in the beginning and then we get the laser ring shooting through him by the end. In the original series, various characters also were shown to be weaker against surprise attacks, although not to that point. Going by Revival F though, Goku gets especially distracted and careless, which is why it'd be a bigger issue for him than the others, since that's specifically called out as his weakness by Whis.

[namekiansaiyan]

This is probably my craziest theory I have done but what if the reason why the 7 non saiyans were holding the dragon balls in the opening is becuase they get powered up by abosrbing the power of a Dragon ball.

Crazy indeed, I saw it as simply because the 3 saiyans had their own solo focus shots so they had the others hold the ball at least.
Goku was as usual everyfckingwhere in the OP
Vegeta was training, even had a fight
Gohan was meditating and hyped up his mystic aura with lightning
I see Krillin as the luckiest non saiyan, dude got to hold the 1star ball and had a solo focus shot of it.
Sadly Piccolo,Boo and 18 didnt have a solo shot *which sucks*
They put way too much Goku V Bald dude in the OP.

Way too much Goku vs Bald guy and it was annoying, but what it did do is make me imagine the other fighters from Universe 7 in Goku's position and having a fight just like he was and making me excited for the arc even more.

Gohan was with Piccolo so Piccolo did get a little more.
I am not worried about Piccolo and Buu having a solo shot as I feel they don't need to be hyped just like Hit who many people could barely see in the opening. 18 was with 17 so it was a some sort of a solo shot.

Krillin was getting hyped a little with the Dragon ball but I think to myself the scene would look out of place and weird if one of the other 6 did his little part.


If there is a warm up match involving Goku, Gohan and someone then if Gohan is to get stronger like the opening indicates then he will probably get his arse kicked in this warm up for him to train with Piccolo. Ultimate is still no match for Blue though. Maybe that fight in the opening is the warm up with Universe 9.

[Chelentano]

Goku is not superman, he dose not have a any natural invulnerability. If he does not focus his ki into protecting his body then he can get scratched or laser beamed through the heart.

This was never stated in any media as far I remember.

Revival F... Well, it's not outright said 'focus his ki', but it's said that if he gets careless he could get wounded easily in the beginning and then we get the laser ring shooting through him by the end. In the original series, various characters also were shown to be weaker against surprise attacks, although not to that point. Going by Revival F though, Goku gets especially distracted and careless, which is why it'd be a bigger issue for him than the others, since that's specifically called out as his weakness by Whis.

[SansrivaaL]

Gohan was with Piccolo so Piccolo did get a little more.

Woulda preferred it if they actually put a double shot of Piccolo and Gohan meditating then solo shots into Gohan, I didnt quite like the fact that they only put his legs in the shot.

I am not worried about Piccolo and Buu having a solo shot as I feel they don't need to be hyped just like Hit who many people could barely see in the opening. 18 was with 17 so it was a some sort of a solo shot.

Hopefully, I'm not a fan of seeing Boo get shafted again and Piccolo getting the Vegeta treatment.

Krillin was getting hyped a little with the Dragon ball but I think to myself the scene would look out of place and weird if one of the other 6 did his little part.

I see Piccolo as a better choice for that part, you know, being namekian and all, just kinda fits, especially since they already gave a solo shot of Krillin later on with his kienzan.

If there is a warm up match involving Goku, Gohan and someone then if Gohan is to get stronger like the opening indicates then he will probably get his arse kicked in this warm up for him to train with Piccolo. Ultimate is still no match for Blue though. Maybe that fight in the opening is the warm up with Universe 9.

We have people theorizing about that, them changing the OP visuals (mostly the Goku Vs Bald dude, it literally took way too much of the OP, not that its that much of a bad thing since the animation was magnificent, but others fighting in it woulda looked better, like putting them all in the ring having each others backs fighting) hopefully its true, but with the schedule..... (I'm not updated with how Super's production is going lately so I may be wrong) and yeah I expect a lot of Gohan getting his arse kicked in the early runs as well.... shonen cliche to help motivate him.

[Cetra]

I wonder if Goku asks why Monaka does not fight.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I wonder if Goku asks why Monaka does not fight.

Monaka is pretty irrelevant at this point. I think they're just dropping him altogether, like he never existed... Good riddance.

[Kanassa]

My theory for that new form is that the opening already showed us what it is: Goku in his base form with no physical changes, except it's stronger than SSB for whatever reason and comes off with red ki. I base this on the fact Toriyama likes to make everything as simple as possible, and this would also explain why Goku and Vegeta are both back to their classic outfits.
It could be a totally new form with visual changes though. That scene from the opening gave me a particularly 90s feeling, I don't know why. To be honest all episode 77 from the start to finish gives me 90s vibes, it could be because of the filters, the incredible new opening... This feels just so good, this arc is looking very promising.

When I took that bet, I wasn't actually this confident... DON'T FAIL ME NOW, TOEI!

[Noah]

If AT goes Goku development route then I can see this as a perfect opportunity for it being the last arc, Goku cutting ties with the Gods because he now knows nothing good can come with keeping incontact with them, especially with the treatment and claim that Beerus said to him, makes him realize the danger he also brings along with his naivety and we're done, we get Grandpa Goku who loves his grand daughter and goes on a journey to train Oob for their inevitable 1v1 match along with the reason that he will be the one to defend the earth when his time comes.

Backing this up hard. Though the prediction I arrived at in another thread is that it will actually be Beerus severing ties with Goku and co., rather than the other way around.

Adds some poignancy to the manga's ending and caps off everything Super's been building up to in exactly the same ways though.

I would still prefer if they got into the "Erase Memories" territory, just have Beerus realize that is all his fault because he met Goku a time ago, have them go back in time, obliterate the remainings of Freeza Army avoiding Freeza's revival, erase their memories until the time Beerus woke up and then things would happen just fine till EoZ and ties with GT.

[emperior]

If AT goes Goku development route then I can see this as a perfect opportunity for it being the last arc, Goku cutting ties with the Gods because he now knows nothing good can come with keeping incontact with them, especially with the treatment and claim that Beerus said to him, makes him realize the danger he also brings along with his naivety and we're done, we get Grandpa Goku who loves his grand daughter and goes on a journey to train Oob for their inevitable 1v1 match along with the reason that he will be the one to defend the earth when his time comes.

Backing this up hard. Though the prediction I arrived at in another thread is that it will actually be Beerus severing ties with Goku and co., rather than the other way around.

Adds some poignancy to the manga's ending and caps off everything Super's been building up to in exactly the same ways though.

I would still prefer if they got into the "Erase Memories" territory, just have Beerus realize that is all his fault because he met Goku a time ago, have them go back in time, obliterate the remainings of Freeza Army avoiding Freeza's revival, erase their memories until the time Beerus woke up and then things would happen just fine till EoZ and ties with GT.

I could see it happening, but this would be lame.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

...just have Beerus realize that is all his fault because he met Goku a time ago, have them go back in time, obliterate the remainings of Freeza Army avoiding Freeza's revival, erase their memories until the time Beerus woke up and then things would happen just fine till EoZ and ties with GT.

That wouldn't fix anything, just make an alternate reality where it didn't happen. More importantly, DBS, for the most part, fits in its time period just fine. There's no reason to erase it.

[Noah]

I could see it happening, but this would be lame.

After Fem Broly, I can't be surprised by anything they do.

That wouldn't fix anything, just make an alternate reality where it didn't happen. More importantly, DBS, for the most part, fits in its time period just fine. There's no reason to erase it.

How it would not? Beerus not meeting Goku would avoid the destruction of many, also erasing would split the realities in two (GT and Super) which is fine.