Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[samuo2]

Okay thanks for your answer! I'm sorry if I'm asking too much but can you please develop your ideas?
I found some traits that are very Nakatsuru like noses, Vegeta's shades, the color of the highlight, Vegeta's eyes, global proportions of all faces and so one
Even if I'm agree that there are Yamamuro traits too like Gokû's face, Gokû's shades, it's too brief to convince me

Well, in the first image, the hair is typical of Yamamuro - it's very blocky, whereas Nakatsuru's is more flowing - compare it with the cover of Budokai 1 (Dragon Ball Z). The ear shapes in both images are as Yamamuro as you get, while Nakatsuru's ears are taller and much more in line with Toriyama's. Goku in the second image is 1:1 with just about every single Goku Yamamuro drew during this era (I'm working on a video on him right now, so I've done nothing but stare at this era for most of the week).

I don't really know what else to say. Those are Yamamuro. You stare at styles long enough and you kinda just know after a while - I sometimes struggle to put it into words. Sorry! Hope that helps, anyway.

Okay thanks a lot for your complete answer it helps a lot, I take notes about your descriptions !

For people that are new to analyzing about artists' certain styles, it can be a bit difficult, but once you figure out how to break apart the traits, it should be easier from here out.

Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru:

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Tadayoshi Yamamuro:

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Hey! Actually I was comparing to Nakatsuru's Anime Comics covers, but I'm not agree with your Yamamuro's illustrations because nothing says that he had this style during this era, and tbh I don't really know products that are 100% him during this era.

Other members that skills animators styles are welcome it's always interesting to read differents point of view/interpretations !

[ArchedThunder]

Ah the Budokai era, pretty much the last time Yamamuro could consistently do some really nice art.

[KameNinja45]

So, I'm pretty new here, and thus have to ask really stupid questions-

Why does Yamamuro get so much hate? His models look pretty fine to me.

[ArchedThunder]

So, I'm pretty new here, and thus have to ask really stupid questions-

Why does Yamamuro get so much hate? His models look pretty fine to me.

Hate is a strong word, I think extreme apathy would be better. His models in general are pretty lifeless and overly mechanical instead of organic where they need to be. They also aren't animator friendly, making it harder to animate than it needs to be. His most recent art has seen improvements, but he's still not were he should be.
I think Ajay has a comparison image that gives a great example of what's wrong with Yamamuro.

[KameNinja45]

So, I'm pretty new here, and thus have to ask really stupid questions-

Why does Yamamuro get so much hate? His models look pretty fine to me.

Hate is a strong word, I think extreme apathy would be better. His models in general are pretty lifeless and overly mechanical instead of organic where they need to be. They also aren't animator friendly, making it harder to animate than it needs to be. His most recent art has seen improvements, but he's still not were he should be.
I think Ajay has a comparison image that gives a great example of what's wrong with Yamamuro.

Thanks for responding! I've also heard something along the lines of his corrections being too heavy, ripping the life of other animator's work. Is that true?

[Gashif Aldi]

So, I'm pretty new here, and thus have to ask really stupid questions-

Why does Yamamuro get so much hate? His models look pretty fine to me.

In my opinions: It looked stiff like plastic. When you animate using it. It looks like a stop-motion toy fights.
And they're way too detailed, that's why Modern Dragon Ball didn't have that kind of animation in One Punch Man, or others. Because the character details is too much, that's why we don't get that much freelancers. One Punch Man is filled with freelancers.
Plus, most of the talented people are freelancers. And he has a bad habit. It is too much correcting, he always correct peoples work with his plastic designs (Also another reason for freelancers to not work in Modern DB).

You know right that we aren't KyotoAni where we don't rely on freelancers.

And because of that, every freakin DB products looks like him. Boring. And because he always corrects too much. We've never seen the designs of other animators. Like Shida's style, Tate's Style, Karaswa's style, etc.

Also, I think JulieYBM have an example of simple designs in his Twitter. Mind uploading it?

[KameNinja45]

Also, I think JulieYBM have an example of simple designs in his Twitter. Mind uploading it? ]

I didn't find anything, but I found this-
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/25318
Some of Yamamuro's older corrections. Geez, what happened?

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

The problem with Yamamuro is that his character designs have no life and look very stiff. His designs are not what they used to be. His olden days were really good- one of the best there was. He went extra miles with small details that made him good in the first place. Now he is just a shell of his former self. His line work is just bad, really bad. When you translate his work onto other animators', you could tell they are struggling to produce something good.

Here's an example of how good his designs were:




You could see how much less detailed Yamamuro was. His simplicity and flowing were the highlight of his older work. He doesn't do that anymore. His added details made his designs look worse than necessary and it made animators' life much harder because more line works mean more stress to finish drawings in time for an episode to air. More details also restrict your sense of "breezing" movement. It's why Dragon Ball Super's episodes had a lot of stiff scenes.

His use of camera and framing is very bad.

Old Yamamuro:

Modern Yamamuro:

You could tell by an example above that his use of camera movement and framing back in the day was actually good. Now he can't do that.

His direction and layout nowadays are embarrassingly bad. Look no further than his work in Resurrection 'F'. His composition and framing are very bland and ugly. His storyboard was okay, but when he executed it, it looked so out of place, it isn't funny.

The animators also complained of his over-corrections. He corrects others' key animations too much. A well known animator Masaki Sato described him as a big fish in a small pond. It's a comment like that that makes you question his presence within the animation industry.

[KameNinja45]

Why hasn't Toei replaced him yet? Haven't they recognised his problems?

[ArchedThunder]

Why hasn't Toei replaced him yet? Haven't they recognised his problems?

Seniority. He's also responsible for the modern look that many associate with Dragon Ball, so that is another reason they might not want to replace him.

[Sodhi]

Yea Yamamuro is Modern DB, so replacing him is out of question, unless he retires himself.

[Araki]

Why hasn't Toei replaced him yet? Haven't they recognised his problems?

His movie was a big financial hit and also well received, so why would they? And he doesnt have a strong hand in Super, anyway.

[Noah]

Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru:

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What a great art! I would love Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru as the character designer of the series

[Sodhi]

Newtype is taking really long to leak, so in the meantime I decided to come up with predictions for AS.

78: Kitano & Lee jyon hyun
#79: Ishikawa & Karasawa
#80: Hiroyuki Itai
#81: Shimanuki

[dhaval_dongre]

Why hasn't Toei replaced him yet? Haven't they recognised his problems?

His movie was a big financial hit and also well received, so why would they? And he doesnt have a strong hand in Super, anyway.

But thankfully, after #39 he hasn't been involved even in a single episode. But the episodes do follow his character designs. Though some of the animators are deviating from his sheets, but not entirely. Its Tsuji that has been mainly doing the Supervision for the most part. He did Supervise the new OP, but it didn't have his usual over corrections, which was a bit surprising. I will be really happy if he continues to disappear from the series, because Tsuji handles the animators way better than him. Its been much easier to spot other animators under her supervision, which clearly indicates that she lets other animators have their own way with the characters without too much of an interference.

[ArchedThunder]

Newtype is taking really long to leak, so in the meantime I decided to come up with predictions for AS.

78: Kitano & Lee jyon hyun
#79: Ishikawa & Karasawa
#80: Hiroyuki Itai
#81: Shimanuki

I was thinking about doing this.

#78: Kitano & Takamura
#79: Karasawa either by himself or with someone from TAP (like Noel Ano-Nuevo or Francis Caneda)
#80: Ishikawa
#81: Shimanuki

I've got a bad feeling that Super is going to be absent from Newtype though, haven't listings from other shows already been posted?

[Sodhi]

Other than Precure staff, i have not seen any Toei leaks yet.

[Shreyas_Singh]

Ajay sama pls do a video on the new OP

[ArchedThunder]

Ajay sama pls do a video on the new OP

He's going to, he's focusing on finishing another video first though.

[Cursemark505]

I think that the filter is not that bad..
I made a comparison with episode 1, the difference is not huge, the filter seems much less intense than in the preview. Maybe the RAW i used is bad?
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The Earth scenes are fine.

Compare scenes on Whis' planet or the Kaioshin realm and you'll see why people aren't happy.

Most people and websites I've come across have a positive reaction to the filter. The only complaints I've seen come from this site specifically.
I've been to various discussion sites and nobody is really complaining about the filter.
Even on YouTube, where the majority of the hate is usually very vocal, I've mostly seen positive comments about the filter.