Unpopular DB opinions

[FortuneSSJ]

The plot structure of DBS is much better than DBZ.
In Super every arc has plot points that connect to each other, while in DBZ only Saiyan arc connects to Freeza arc. The Cyborgs/Androids and Majin Buu came from nowhere.

The premise for the Android Arc connects to the Red Ribbon Arc as well as the Saiyan Arc to Freeza, I'll write that off as a harmless slip-up. In DBS, neither the first tournament or the FT Arc tie into anything else other than pre-existing characters, but even the Boo Arc did that.
Edit: Forgot, BoG was also a thing that is as stand-alone as it gets.

BOG arc:
- Super Saiyan God and God of Destruction concept are introduced.
- Whis is revealed to be the Master of the God of Destruction.

ROF arc:
- Goku and Vegeta train under Whis and get Super Saiyan Blue.
- Champa/Vados are gathering the Super Dragon Balls.
- Gohan wants to train again.

Champa arc:
- Champa already has 6 Super Dragon Balls and uses them as a bet for the Tournament against Beerus.
- Everyone learns about the 12 Universes and Super Dragon Balls.
- Zeno enjoyed the Tournament and wants to do one with all the 12 Universes.

FT Trunks arc:
- (Goku Black timeline) Zamasu watched Goku fighting through Kamitube and picked an interest on his body. Stole his body and became Goku Black. The plot starts.
- Goku gets the button from Zeno and promises to find him a new friend.
- Goku is forced to summon Zeno to help them. The button summons Future Zeno because they are in Future.
- Goku fulfils his promise. Future Zeno is Present Zeno new friend.

Universe Survival arc:
- Goku remembers Zeno of what he promised him two arcs ago, the Tournament between 12 Universes.
- Future Zeno is the one that wants to have preliminary matches, because he didn't saw the first tournament.

To be continued...

[The gr]

I'd say that the Future Trunks Arc and the Universe Six arc were pretty organic, for Dragon Ball

Your right about that but bog and ROF hell no. the original DB plot structure or organic storytelling is way better than DBS and DBZ

I enjoyed Battle Of Gods and Resurrection Of Freeza.

New unpopular opinion:

Dragon Ball, the original version wasn't that good, hell the Majin Buu arc was more entertaining than it

I mean I liked bog and I enjoyed ROF depsite being terrible

I'm sorry but DBS has no organic storytelling

That's quite an exaggeration. RoF, while mediocre in itself, provided a natural fulfillment to Goku's God power, as well as having Vegeta achieve it on his own through hard work. Then, it gave them a challenge that not only let them fully make use of their perfected power, but reminded them of their weakness. Not to mention the obvious tie-in with Freeza's army, something that should have been addressed ages ago in my opinion.

Actually... I guess that's pretty much it. I guess you could count Future Trunks as a tie-in, but that's really stretching it.

the u6 arc could have fulfilled the role of Goku and Vegeta obtaining ssgss, hit was challenged for that form. If super went like this first bog and then u6 and later on the golden frieza arc and that would be organic storytelling as a matter fact it would have been epic if the first time we see ssgss is when Vegeta fought cabba, imagine the surprise for that scene

[Jinzoningen MULE]

If that's the kind of list you're going by, you could make one just as solid for even the most standalone of standalone arcs. Something being vaguely related to another thing that came before doesn't mean that they're soundly structurally connected.

[FortuneSSJ]

If that's the kind of list you're going by, you could make one just as solid for even the most standalone of standalone arcs. Something being vaguely related to another thing that came before doesn't mean that they're soundly structurally connected.

You can't make one for Cell arc and Buu arc, because both come from nowhere.

Even if you use the RRA robot they used to gathhered data from Goku and the others, we never saw it before they talked about it. We're just supposed to believe they were doing that. Unlike DBS, where they always show plot points that will connect to the next arc.

[DBZAOTA482]

The plot structure of DBS is much better than DBZ.
In Super every arc has plot points that connect to each other, while in DBZ only Saiyan arc connects to Freeza arc. The Cyborgs/Androids and Majin Buu came from nowhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf-d7WRe5ZI (skip to 0:37)

[Jinzoningen MULE]

You can't make one for Cell arc and Buu arc, because both come from nowhere.

Even if you use the RRA robot they used to gathhered data from Goku and the others, we never saw it before they talked about it. We're just supposed to believe they were doing that. Unlike DBS, where they always show something that will connect to the next arc.

So you think something has to be referenced beforehand to be fluid? I'm not even equipped to argue with that nonsense.

Either way, I could definitely make a list of those arcs' connective points. I won't right now, since I'm not confident in my accuracy without checking the manga, and that could take up to an hour. However, using the low standard of connectivity you used for your list, it could definitely be done.

[mfwlegend3]

The two shooters during the Boo arc who shot and killed humans for fun of it during Boo's rampage was the most disturbing thing in the franchise. Boo had killed numerous of civilians so they figured killing some themselves meant no difference. They went so far as to kill an elderly woman in front of her husband before murdering the husband shortly afterwards, with one of them expressing how much he wanted to kill people. And of course, they would go on to shoot Satan and Boo's puppy which would give birth to Evil Boo.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The two shooters during the Boo arc who shot and killed humans for fun of it during Boo's rampage was the most disturbing thing in the franchise. Boo had killed numerous of civilians so they figured killing some themselves meant no difference. They went so far as to kill an elderly woman in front of her husband before murdering the husband shortly afterwards, with one of them expressing how much he wanted to kill people. And of course, they would go on to shoot Satan and Boo's puppy which would give birth to Evil Boo.

Yeah... that was a little farther than he usually went. I don't have a problem with it, but I can't help but wonder why Toriyama took it there.

[FortuneSSJ]

So you think something has to be referenced beforehand to be fluid? I'm not even equipped to argue with that nonsense.

While I have nothing against the other way around, yes I rather that way.

Either way, I could definitely make a list of those arcs' connective points. I won't right now, since I'm not confident in my accuracy without checking the manga, and that could take up to an hour. However, using the low standard of connectivity you used for your list, it could definitely be done.

Good luck trying to connect FT Trunks, Time Travel, Cell, Kaioshin and Majin Buu to previous shown plot points.

[ABED]

I usually prefer arcs to flow into each other, but after a while, it's nice to clear the slate.

[Freeza9000]

Goku Black is, so far, the WORST idea for a villain in the Dragon Ball Franchise.

It is only marginally better than the idea of a resurrected, golden-paint job Frieza. And that's saying a lot!

For such a "bad" idea for a villain, Goku Black ironically become one of the best and greatly executed DB villains this franchise has ever produced. If you think otherwise, do you mind elaborating?

[Beyond]

Piccolo and Tien might be better of permanently killed off.

[Ki Breaker]

Piccolo and Tien might be better of permanently killed off.

If piccolo dosen't do shit and is continued to be used only as a babysitter wasting away a good character, yes, he better die now that he is still somewhat intact to his old self

[TheUltimateNinja]

I'll explain,the large ungodly amount of asspulls, the boring villain Cell, the androids make no sense, Gohan grows a new character trait, the cast becomes more idiotic, the mess the whole arc is, super saiyan 2 Gohan.

Gohan didn't get a new character trait, he's always been pretty pacifistic. Every time he's jumped into battle in the past, the enemy had done something to piss him off. Cell hadn't done anything to Gohan so of course he wouldn't fly off the handle immediately.

[rereboy]

Gohan didn't get a new character trait, he's always been pretty pacifistic.

No, not really. Gohan always wanted and volunteered to train and fight people who were a threat to his loved ones and to his family. What Gohan was doing in the Cell arc was not wanting to fight despite Cell being a threat (and despite having wanted to train to face the androids and Cell earlier in the arc).

[TheUltimateNinja]

Gohan didn't get a new character trait, he's always been pretty pacifistic.

No, not really. Gohan always wanted and volunteered to train and fight people who were a threat to his loved ones and to his family. What Gohan was doing in the Cell arc was not wanting to fight despite Cell being a threat (and despite having wanted to train to face the androids and Cell earlier in the arc).

Wanting to do something and actually being able to do it when it comes down to it are two different things. Gohan even said he wanted to do it when Goku asked him to fight Cell, but once he came face to face with him he was unable to muster up the anger. On all past occasions when Gohan leapt into battle, someone was getting hurt/killed right in front of him, he was unable to do the same against Cell since he hadn't done anything horrible in front of him just yet.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Wanting to do something and actually being able to do it when it comes down to it are two different things. Gohan even said he wanted to do it when Goku asked him to fight Cell, but once he came face to face with him he was unable to muster up the anger. On all past occasions when Gohan leapt into battle, someone was getting hurt/killed right in front of him, he was unable to do the same against Cell since he hadn't done anything horrible in front of him just yet.

By sheer coincidence, yes, Gohan tends to shine only when in dire circumstances. However, unwillingness, or even a dislike of battle was never portrayed as part of his character until the Cell Games. The obvious exception being when he was still a novice in the Saiyan Arc.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Wanting to do something and actually being able to do it when it comes down to it are two different things. Gohan even said he wanted to do it when Goku asked him to fight Cell, but once he came face to face with him he was unable to muster up the anger. On all past occasions when Gohan leapt into battle, someone was getting hurt/killed right in front of him, he was unable to do the same against Cell since he hadn't done anything horrible in front of him just yet.

By sheer coincidence, yes, Gohan tends to shine only when in dire circumstances. However, unwillingness, or even a dislike of battle was never portrayed as part of his character until the Cell Games. The obvious exception being when he was still a novice in the Saiyan Arc.

That's not necessarily true, he suggests running away while the Ginyu force are busy deciding who fights who for example. Outside of rage boosts Gohan doesn't perform well under pressure even when he has stronger allies with him, at the Cell Games he was the strongest one there and was expected to win by himself. And up to that point Gohan had never fought except out of necessity, it doesn't seem OOC to me at all for him to try to avoid fighting.

[kinisking]

Wanting to do something and actually being able to do it when it comes down to it are two different things. Gohan even said he wanted to do it when Goku asked him to fight Cell, but once he came face to face with him he was unable to muster up the anger. On all past occasions when Gohan leapt into battle, someone was getting hurt/killed right in front of him, he was unable to do the same against Cell since he hadn't done anything horrible in front of him just yet.

By sheer coincidence, yes, Gohan tends to shine only when in dire circumstances. However, unwillingness, or even a dislike of battle was never portrayed as part of his character until the Cell Games. The obvious exception being when he was still a novice in the Saiyan Arc.

That's not necessarily true, he suggests running away while the Ginyu force are busy deciding who fights who for example. Outside of rage boosts Gohan doesn't perform well under pressure even when he has stronger allies with him, at the Cell Games he was the strongest one there and was expected to win by himself. And up to that point Gohan had never fought except out of necessity, it doesn't seem OOC to me at all for him to try to avoid fighting.

Gohan trying to run away from characters that had the power to murder them doesn't really prove anything and he knew that he had to fight Cell. That was a necessity. It's so OOC for him to train years to fight only to chicken out last minute. Especially against the guy he knows almost killed Piccolo. This is the same kid who jumped into battle multiple times even when Krillin opposed it.

[Octorockandroll]

Piccolo and Tien might be better of permanently killed off.

Not really something you can do in Dragonball though.