Opinion and discussion thread on Akira Toriyama.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The Freeza arc and the Saiyan arc are two separate arcs.

The two are two parts of the same story: Frieza's Galactic Empire.

If that's the standard you use, the Cell Games is part of the Red Ribbon Arc.

[Israelite Wolfman]

The Freeza arc and the Saiyan arc are two separate arcs.

The two are two parts of the same story: Frieza's Galactic Empire.

If that's the standard you use, the Cell Games is part of the Red Ribbon Arc.

Nope, I'd like to speak for myself without any Kellyanne Conway-wanna-bes to do it for me: The Cell Saga is the conclusion of the Android Saga.

[ABED]

Nope, I'd like to speak for myself without any Kellyanne Conway-wanna-bes to do it for me: The Cell Saga is the conclusion of the Android Saga.

It's all the Cell arc. There is no cyborg/android arc as there's no climax or ending. It's all building towards Cell.

[King-K9]

He isn't a bad writer, but he kinda needs editors there for him in order for most of his ideas to be properly fleshed out. Dragon ball's story is already kinda messy even with an editor, so imagine how bad things would have been if that editor never existed.

[keyz05]

He isn't a bad writer, but he kinda needs editors there for him in order for most of his ideas to be properly fleshed out. Dragon ball's story is already kinda messy even with an editor, so imagine how bad things would have been if that editor never existed.

What editors does he need to get his ideas all fleshed out?

[King-K9]

He isn't a bad writer, but he kinda needs editors there for him in order for most of his ideas to be properly fleshed out. Dragon ball's story is already kinda messy even with an editor, so imagine how bad things would have been if that editor never existed.

What editors does he need to get his ideas all fleshed out?

I don't know their exact names, but I know that one of them basically led to the creation of Cell as well as 17 and 18. The said editor said that Dr.Gero and Android 19 would be unable sustain an entire Saga on their own.

[Gog]

He isn't a bad writer, but he kinda needs editors there for him in order for most of his ideas to be properly fleshed out. Dragon ball's story is already kinda messy even with an editor, so imagine how bad things would have been if that editor never existed.

What editors does he need to get his ideas all fleshed out?

I don't know their exact names, but I know that one of them basically led to the creation of Cell as well as 17 and 18. The said editor said that Dr.Gero and Android 19 would be unable sustain an entire Saga on their own.

Actually the editor only stated that he didn't like the designs of 19 and 20, there wasn't any mention of them not being able to hole up their own arc, also why did you choose the worst editor? He basically doomed the Cell saga to what it was. But besides that yeah Toriyama really does need an editor to help him.

[Soppa Saia People]

Just lazy who got lucky. Not a genius. If it wasn't for his editors & Toei who supplied him ideas and tips for plots there was no more Dragon Ball after the battle with Frieza.

You do realize that pre-Freeza was most of Dragon Ball? Also, much better than post-Freeza by most (critical) peoples' measurements.

Dragon Ball is 16 volumes long, then 12 of Frieza and another 14 volumes from Androids to End of Z before the beginning of DBS. I'm no mathematician but DB's 16 pre-Frieza volumes are less than DBZ's 26 which is Frieza (since Raditz was his minion) from the start to the post-Frieza stories.
The author is judged by his entire work, not just by his better parts of it. Once Super Saiyan was introduced Toriyama lost all interest in non-Saiyans, Piccolo was an exception as he was creator's favorite, now that he's not that anymore you can see how his character narrowed. ROF was a perfect example how Toriyama's stories aren't that great as expected by fans (Human Z-Fighters being neglected, REHASHING Frieza for the 8th time, ridiculous power scalings and shortening the H-U-G-E gap between Goku & Vegeta who with God Ki surpassed Majin Buu's power to the point he's almost a fodder to just 4 months of beating up a Zarbon-tier lackey "training", Gohan is weakened drastically - WHY?).

There's no split between DB and Z in the manga. That's on Viz.

[Totamo]

Just lazy who got lucky. Not a genius. If it wasn't for his editors & Toei who supplied him ideas and tips for plots there was no more Dragon Ball after the battle with Frieza.

Whoa there my friend.

Dragon Ball is toriyama's most famous work but it's debatable if it's his best. Dr slump made him famous first.


Second of all, dragon Ball has 10 official arcs, Cell and Buu are the last 2 and consider by many to be the worst arcs of the series. Maybe if dragon Ball ended at freeza, it be a stronger series


Third, while some do love dragon Ball for the story, most love the manga for the art, characterazation and humor which is strictly Toriyama.


Toriyama is lazy and forgetful but he has proven several times to be a good writer and though ROF has questionable writing, the characters are still awesome and have good moments.