Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Sodhi » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:16 am

JazzMazz wrote:Tates very conservative but still very impactful Majin Buu vs Basil cut.
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I could feel this without even the sound. It sure is impactful.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by MrWalnut4 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:19 am

I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet, but in addition to an altered filter, I think the NEP also has an altered color palette.
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It could just be the filter, but it looks to me like the underlying colors have been altered. For example Gohan's dougi is now a brighter shade of orange compared to the previously more red color. His wrist bands are also more cyan compared to them previously being more purple. Additionally his skin tone is brighter and more saturated, but I suspect that is the fault of the filter rather than a new color palette.

Is this just me? Or do they look different to anyone else?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by cuartas » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:21 am

Honestly this episode of tate was rather than fine, really surprised to see detailed art most of the episode.

If this is tate from now on I think that's good for the series

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by neolux » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:23 am

MrWalnut4 wrote:I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet, but in addition to an altered filter, I think the NEP also has an altered color palette.
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It could just be the filter, but it looks to me like the underlying colors have been altered. For example Gohan's dougi is now a brighter shade of orange compared to the previously more red color. His wrist bands are also more cyan compared to them previously being more purple. Additionally his skin tone is brighter and more saturated, but I suspect that is the fault of the filter rather than a new color palette.

Is this just me? Or do they look different to anyone else?
Yeah! I noticed it too. I think the same. I believe that when the actual episode airs it will have the filter.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ParkerAL » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:23 am

Maybe they haven't applied the final post effects to the NEP yet, for some reason? Of course, it could just be them experimenting, trying to find the right look for the show moving forward.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:25 am

There's no line filter on the NEP either, hopefully it's there in the final episode.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by JazzMazz » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:31 am

ArchedThunder wrote:There's no line filter on the NEP either, hopefully it's there in the final episode.
Yeah, the line filter is really the only thing I particularly like about this new post-processing.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Avok » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:43 am

Bruh, this episode was so good!
The layouts were on point, Tate's input was pretty good, and the use of impact frames and little sparks was spot on.

That NEP though. :thumbdown: If they're getting rid of the filter I swear to God!
The difference it makes in the atmosphere of the show is unbelievable.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by JazzMazz » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:50 am

Avok wrote:Bruh, this episode was so good!
The layouts were on point, Tate's input was pretty good, and the use of impact frames and little sparks was spot on.

That NEP though. :thumbdown: If they're getting rid of the filter I swear to God!
The difference it makes in the atmosphere of the show is unbelievable.
Though I don't particularly like the filter because I find it obnoxious, I would be really sad if the got rid of the line processing. That looks really good most of the time.

Also, I would just like to make a statement, last week a lot of people said that the first half of the episode was very rough, and I was one of the poor fools who didn't notice. In my defense, I didn't spot it because the filter was already obnoxiously effecting the screen quality, making it hard to tell when the show was just being unpleasant, due to the fact it now looks unpleasant nearly all the time. :P

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Avok » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:56 am

JazzMazz wrote: Though I don't particularly like the filter because I find it obnoxious, I would be really sad if the got rid of the line processing. That looks really good most of the time.

Also, I would just like to make a statement, last week a lot of people said that the first half of the episode was very rough, and I was one of the poor fools who didn't notice. In my defense, I didn't spot it because the filter was already obnoxiously effecting the screen quality, making it hard to tell when the show was just being unpleasant, due to the fact it now looks unpleasant nearly all the time. :P
I really like that the filter creates an atmosphere, it really makes the colors blend pretty nicely and gives them depth.
Without it looks like the episode was made in MS Paint or something as everything looks flat.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Gashif Aldi » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:01 am

JazzMazz wrote:Tates very conservative but still very impactful Majin Buu vs Basil cut.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by JazzMazz » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:05 am

Avok wrote:
JazzMazz wrote: Though I don't particularly like the filter because I find it obnoxious, I would be really sad if the got rid of the line processing. That looks really good most of the time.

Also, I would just like to make a statement, last week a lot of people said that the first half of the episode was very rough, and I was one of the poor fools who didn't notice. In my defense, I didn't spot it because the filter was already obnoxiously effecting the screen quality, making it hard to tell when the show was just being unpleasant, due to the fact it now looks unpleasant nearly all the time. :P
I really like that the filter creates an atmosphere, it really makes the colors blend pretty nicely and gives them depth.
Without it looks like the episode was made in MS Paint or something as everything looks flat.
From an objective stand-point of film quality, the filter is a detriment, by doing things such as crushing blacks and getting rid of finer detail in the background. The main positives of this post processing is definitely the line filter, which adds this gorgeous depth to the line art, which I absolutely love.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by A Man named RJ » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:06 am

Archah wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:As far as the key animators list goes I'm pretty sure there's lots of Wanpack on there, so the size make sense. Two storyboarders, two directors and three supervisors is a different story, but I guess it might have been done to get stuff done quicker..
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:08 am

JazzMazz wrote: From an objective stand-point of film quality, the filter is a detriment, by doing things such as crushing blacks and getting rid of finer detail in the background. The main positives of this post processing is definitely the line filter, which adds this gorgeous depth to the line art, which I absolutely love.
I'm not seeing any crushed blacks, the colors on Earth and at this exhibition are nearly identical to what they were before episode 77.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Avok » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:12 am

JazzMazz wrote: From an objective stand-point of film quality, the filter is a detriment, by doing things such as crushing blacks and getting rid of finer detail in the background. The main positives of this post processing is definitely the line filter, which adds this gorgeous depth to the line art, which I absolutely love.
I know it sometimes can crush the blacks, but I think that it's worth it when you take into consideration the overall look of everything else.
The lineart effect is pretty nice too, but it is pointless if the colors are as bad as they've been in the past.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:14 am

ArchedThunder wrote:
JazzMazz wrote: From an objective stand-point of film quality, the filter is a detriment, by doing things such as crushing blacks and getting rid of finer detail in the background. The main positives of this post processing is definitely the line filter, which adds this gorgeous depth to the line art, which I absolutely love.
I'm not seeing any crushed blacks, the colors on Earth and at this exhibition are nearly identical to what they were before episode 77.
They aren't necessarily "crushed", but the loss of detail is obvious when you compare. Either way, it does make the foreground and background blend, so that's good.

I'm just over the whole thing to be honest. It looks fine for the most part, we'll live.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Shreyas_Singh » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:23 am

Was that "Toppo blocking buu's blast" scene Tate? I saw his style of drawing hands and lighting.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by JazzMazz » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:31 am

Shreyas_Singh wrote:Was that "Toppo blocking buu's blast" scene Tate? I saw his style of drawing hands and lighting.
Yeah, I would credit that scene to Tate. Lots of great looking effects in that scene, very reminiscent of the Trunks scene he did on #66 and his effects work on #65.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Gashif Aldi » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:32 am

Shreyas_Singh wrote:Was that "Toppo blocking buu's blast" scene Tate? I saw his style of drawing hands and lighting.
I mean, he's the Supervisor of the second half. Everything in the second half is corrected by Tate. He only did a bit of animation, but I don't know which one.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by JazzMazz » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:42 am

Gashif Aldi wrote:
Shreyas_Singh wrote:Was that "Toppo blocking buu's blast" scene Tate? I saw his style of drawing hands and lighting.
I mean, he's the Supervisor of the second half. Everything in the second half is corrected by Tate. He only did a bit of animation, but I don't know which one.
I'm pretty sure that scene was definitely done by him though, his corrections can be spotted throughout the episode, for example Buu's finishing attack is a scene that was corrected by Tate, but the Toppo scene is pratically 1:1 with Tates effects output on the series.

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