The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Ki Breaker]

That entire fight consisted of ChiChi trying to land a blow on goku and not succeeding, not a good way to test her skills

If the fight was like Cybrog Tao fighting Tien or Nappa (before he calmed down) fighting Goku where the defender is basically standing there just dodging the attacker's attacks with ease despite the attacker's efforts then you'd have a point but you don't.

Goku may not have been trying to win... mainly because he was (understandably) confused to who she was, but he couldn't mess around either and she was able to push him back even forcing him into the air (which she still was keeping up).

That definitely seemed like goku effortlessly dodging all her attacks and wasn't pushing him back, if some one attacks you which can be evaded by being in air and not ground, you would do just that.. It isn't you getting pushed back but evading the attack right..

He was talking pretty normally with her, that's kind of messing around in what we are thinking of a serious fight where he can make a mistake

The point is, we still can't gauge her strength correctly by this example..

[DanielSSJ]

He was actually using a Kaioken that we couldn't see against 50% Frieza, though.

The difference is Kaio explained that Goku was already using Kaioken, and after he brought it up, we start seeing Goku with the red aura. Unless we're explicitly told or shown that Goku is using the Kaioken, he's probably not using it.

[DBZAOTA482]

That entire fight consisted of ChiChi trying to land a blow on goku and not succeeding, not a good way to test her skills

If the fight was like Cybrog Tao fighting Tien or Nappa (before he calmed down) fighting Goku where the defender is basically standing there just dodging the attacker's attacks with ease despite the attacker's efforts then you'd have a point but you don't.

Goku may not have been trying to win... mainly because he was (understandably) confused to who she was, but he couldn't mess around either and she was able to push him back even forcing him into the air (which she still was keeping up).

That definitely seemed like goku effortlessly dodging all her attacks and wasn't pushing him back, if some one attacks you which can be evaded by being in air and not ground, you would do just that.. It isn't you getting pushed back but evading the attack right..

He was talking pretty normally with her, that's kind of messing around in what we are thinking of a serious fight where he can make a mistake

The point is, we still can't gauge her strength correctly by this example..

Not really.... if that were the case Goku would be fumbling about and barely even notices her attacks. He also wouldn't be bothered to block, parry, or evade, and she wouldn't be able to match his casual jumping height and keep on fighting while in the air... something of which Nam struggled to do back in the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai. Either way, I don't see Starfire pulling any of that off at all.

Chi-Chi almost surprised Goku with some of her attacks plus he was sweating like crazy and his speech bubbles had exclamations points pretty much for the entire fight so he definitely wasn't talking normally. She was able to hold a conversation with him as well.

Her strength within the fight is certainly able to be gauged... you're probably not understanding my points.

[Noah]

New matches:

MAX Power Mutenroshi runs the gauntlet (not survival):

- 22nd TB Krillin
- 22nd TB Goku
- Tambourine
- 22nd TB Tenshinhan
- 23rd TB Yamcha
- Drum
- Old Piccolo Daimao

[Nejishiki]

So does that mean that Coola's a complete weakling? Also how does invisible kaio ken work? Does that mean Super Saiyan times your strength by 500 times, rather than 50 times? Because I cannot fathom how that could even work. Or are you messing with me and your joke has literally flown over my head?

The Invisible Kaioken theory just refers to Goku using the Kaioken in a fight despite not having the telltale red aura. In practice, it means that Goku could've been upwards around 60~80 million against Coola instead of 3~4 million, which would make Coola's statement about base form Goku taking down Freeza a bit more believable.

It's also a theory some use to say that Goku was using Kaioken x10 from the get-go against Freeza, and that his base form wasn't actually in the millions during that fight. Personally I see next to no merit. If the writers wanted us to know that Goku was using the Kaioken, they would've drawn him with the red aura.

He was actually using a Kaioken that we couldn't see against 50% Frieza, though.

I'm fairly certain "invisible Kaio-ken" is exclusive to the Dragon Ball Z adaption. Near as I can tell, Kaio-ken functions as it always does in the original story.

[Ki Breaker]

If the fight was like Cybrog Tao fighting Tien or Nappa (before he calmed down) fighting Goku where the defender is basically standing there just dodging the attacker's attacks with ease despite the attacker's efforts then you'd have a point but you don't.

Goku may not have been trying to win... mainly because he was (understandably) confused to who she was, but he couldn't mess around either and she was able to push him back even forcing him into the air (which she still was keeping up).

That definitely seemed like goku effortlessly dodging all her attacks and wasn't pushing him back, if some one attacks you which can be evaded by being in air and not ground, you would do just that.. It isn't you getting pushed back but evading the attack right..

He was talking pretty normally with her, that's kind of messing around in what we are thinking of a serious fight where he can make a mistake

The point is, we still can't gauge her strength correctly by this example..

Not really.... if that were the case Goku would be fumbling about and barely even notices her attacks. He also wouldn't be bothered to block, parry, or evade, and she wouldn't be able to match his casual jumping height and keep on fighting while in the air... something of which Nam struggled to do back in the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai. Either way, I don't see Starfire pulling any of that off at all.

Chi-Chi almost surprised Goku with some of her attacks plus he was sweating like crazy and his speech bubbles had exclamations points pretty much for the entire fight so he definitely wasn't talking normally. She was able to hold a conversation with him as well.

Her strength within the fight is certainly able to be gauged... you're probably not understanding my points.

I think the main issue here is our perception of the fight

[pacz360]

Buff basil Vs Broly m10
Pikkon Vs Bojack
Hit Vs Buuhan (power levels equalize)

[TheUltimateNinja]

The Invisible Kaioken theory just refers to Goku using the Kaioken in a fight despite not having the telltale red aura. In practice, it means that Goku could've been upwards around 60~80 million against Coola instead of 3~4 million, which would make Coola's statement about base form Goku taking down Freeza a bit more believable.

It's also a theory some use to say that Goku was using Kaioken x10 from the get-go against Freeza, and that his base form wasn't actually in the millions during that fight. Personally I see next to no merit. If the writers wanted us to know that Goku was using the Kaioken, they would've drawn him with the red aura.

He was actually using a Kaioken that we couldn't see against 50% Frieza, though.

I'm fairly certain "invisible Kaio-ken" is exclusive to the Dragon Ball Z adaption. Near as I can tell, Kaio-ken functions as it always does in the original story.

It's in the manga too, Goku's Kaioken aura isn't visible until Kaio tells us that he's already using Kaioken. And even if it were anime exclusive, Toei handles both the anime and the movies.

[DBZAOTA482]

New matches:

MAX Power Mutenroshi runs the gauntlet (not survival):

- 22nd TB Krillin
- 22nd TB Goku
- Tambourine
- 22nd TB Tenshinhan
- 23rd TB Yamcha
- Drum
- Old Piccolo Daimao

Muten Roshi at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai was already far stronger than Krillin was at that point so he doesn't even need max power here and he wasn't that far behind Goku or Tien either so same along with Tambourine. He clears the rest with max power.

[dragon boss z]

New matches:

MAX Power Mutenroshi runs the gauntlet (not survival):

- 22nd TB Krillin
- 22nd TB Goku
- Tambourine
- 22nd TB Tenshinhan
- 23rd TB Yamcha
- Drum
- Old Piccolo Daimao

Either stops at old Piccolo, or arguably clears with RoF feats and his moon busting feat.

[mcdjbeatz]

Buff basil Vs Broly m10
Pikkon Vs Bojack
Hit Vs Buuhan (power levels equalize)

Basil is way above Super Perfect Cell due to being able to survive and be still standing after an all out attack from Majin Buu, Broly isn't far off Super Perfect Cell due to Gohan being able to somewhat hold his own against Broly. So I reckon Basil would win
Pikkon was able to subdue Super Perfect Cell with two hits although it could be argued that Cell was caught off guard and was able to take a punch from super kaioken Goku and almost immediately recovered and hit Goku with seemingly no damage. Bojack put up a better fight than Perfect Cell but ultimately was defeated by SSJ2 Gohan. Pikkon easily takes this.
I don't think Hit's assassination techniques could overpower Buuhan's regeneration, in addition to having to deal with attacks from an opponent equal in strength to him I don't think Hit could win. Buuhan wins

[ZombieVito]

All fighters from the left are from current DBS episode.

Piccolo vs Cell [Super Perfect form].
Gohan [No Super Saiyan or Ultimate forms] vs Mister Boo.
Roshi [Full power form] vs Goku [BoZ].
Kuririn vs Freeza [1st form].

[dragon boss z]

Buff basil Vs Broly m10
Pikkon Vs Bojack
Hit Vs Buuhan (power levels equalize)

Basil is way above Super Perfect Cell due to being able to survive and be still standing after an all out attack from Majin Buu, Broly isn't far off Super Perfect Cell due to Gohan being able to somewhat hold his own against Broly. So I reckon Basil would win
Pikkon was able to subdue Super Perfect Cell with two hits although it could be argued that Cell was caught off guard and was able to take a punch from super kaioken Goku and almost immediately recovered and hit Goku with seemingly no damage. Bojack put up a better fight than Perfect Cell but ultimately was defeated by SSJ2 Gohan. Pikkon easily takes this.
I don't think Hit's assassination techniques could overpower Buuhan's regeneration, in addition to having to deal with attacks from an opponent equal in strength to him I don't think Hit could win. Buuhan wins

Good Buu isn't much stronger than super perfect Cell. He is over 2x weaker than the original Fat Buu.

[dragon boss z]

All fighters from the left are from current DBS episode.

Piccolo vs Cell [Super Perfect form].
Gohan [No Super Saiyan or Ultimate forms] vs Mister Boo.
Roshi [Full power form] vs Goku [BoZ].
Kuririn vs Freeza [1st form].

Cell
Buu
Goku
Frieza

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku (Pre 100x Gravity Training) Vs Vegeta (Namek)

Basically the two duke it out after their respective Zenkais from their first battle, who wins?

[DanielSSJ]

Goku (Pre 100x Gravity Training) Vs Vegeta (Namek)

Basically the two duke it out after their respective Zenkais from their first battle, who wins?

The battle would probably end up with more-or-less the same result as last time. With the increase in power, Goku might be able to handle the strain of the Kaioken better this time around, but I think he would still burn out before he could finish Vegeta off.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku (Pre 100x Gravity Training) Vs Vegeta (Namek)

Basically the two duke it out after their respective Zenkais from their first battle, who wins?

The battle would probably end up with more-or-less the same result as last time. With the increase in power, Goku might be able to handle the strain of the Kaioken better this time around, but I think he would still burn out before he could finish Vegeta off.

Proportionally Goku should end up with a larger Zenkai than Vegeta, though. I figure this time around he'd be over half of Vegeta at least.

[Ki Breaker]

Basil vs Sanji

The obligatory match between the master kickers, Even though the result is obvious

[TheUltimateNinja]

Who is the strongest DB character Dangai Ichigo can beat?

[apex_pretador]

Freeza kills them all, but if they are all fighting as a team, he would need to go 100%

So none of the Saiyans in your view have reach a BP above 60 million in base? Also shouldn't Yakon be stronger than Base Goku? I think Freeza would hit the wall in Base Boo arc Goku. (he possibly could defeat Kibito though)

60 million in base would mean 6 billion as SS2, which is already above fat buu by my numbers, and around half of kid buu (12 B) by my numbers.
Yakon might be a bit stronger than base goku, but not at half-freeza's level. He was still manageable.

Hell, then there is freeza being confirmed to be well above BoG base goku, who was easily over 2x his buu arc self (surpassed gohan and gotenks)

FPSSJ Goku vs 7 Cell Jrs., SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Trunks & Piccolo.

Goku doesn't have the power to put all of them down. He gets ganged up and dies.

Future Trunks (without Genki Dama) from Dragon Ball Super runs a gauntlet.
1. SSJR Goku Black
2. Present Zamasu
3. Hit (filler arc)
4. SSJB KK Goku
5. SSJB Vegeta
6. Golden Freeza
7. SSJG from BOG arc
8. Beerus
9. SSJ Satan
10. Arale

Loses against every single one of them, except present Zamasu.

Fusion Reborn Veku vs Raditz

For that matter, who's the strongest character Veku can beat?

Veku finger flicks.

Veku should be stronger than base saiyans

New matches:

MAX Power Mutenroshi runs the gauntlet (not survival):

- 22nd TB Krillin
- 22nd TB Goku
- Tambourine
- 22nd TB Tenshinhan
- 23rd TB Yamcha
- Drum
- Old Piccolo Daimao

Roshi clears with his moonbusting

Buff basil Vs Broly m10
Pikkon Vs Bojack
Hit Vs Buuhan (power levels equalize)

Basil manhandles Broly. Basil is easily around if not above M vegeta, who is well above broly.

Pikkon defeated cell who is stronger than bojack.

All fighters from the left are from current DBS episode.

Piccolo vs Cell [Super Perfect form].
Gohan [No Super Saiyan or Ultimate forms] vs Mister Boo.
Roshi [Full power form] vs Goku [BoZ].
Kuririn vs Freeza [1st form].

Piccolo
Can go either way
Don't know
Freeza one-shots