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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:15 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I don't know why I feel that way but I think there is too much negativity around here I guess, some of it can't be helped sure but it is fact that people seem to be feeding onto it, for example most time I visit the animation page there is always a discussion about the crappy production state, when I visit the Kai forum it is the green tint, cropping, music etc. I am just like eurgh can we just drop it.
That's not feeding into negativity, it's an acknowledgement of the flaws that the series undeniably has. What would you have us do, pretend the problems don't exist? I'm not a fan of feigning ignorance for any reason.

This isn't a bad indicator for the Kanzenshuu community, it's indicative of the production of the show it's based on.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:52 pm

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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I don't know why I feel that way but I think there is too much negativity around here I guess, some of it can't be helped sure but it is fact that people seem to be feeding onto it, for example most time I visit the animation page there is always a discussion about the crappy production state, when I visit the Kai forum it is the green tint, cropping, music etc. I am just like eurgh can we just drop it.
That's not feeding into negativity, it's an acknowledgement of the flaws that the series undeniably has. What would you have us do, pretend the problems don't exist? I'm not a fan of feigning ignorance for any reason.

This isn't a bad indicator for the Kanzenshuu community, it's indicative of the production of the show it's based on.
You are right that is not the best example to use but I couldn't think of anything better to describe it. I am not saying people should feign ignorance at all, everyone here knows about these things but it doesn't have to be brought up all the time that is my point every time I open thread that is what I am feeling, someone posted the FTrunks designs sheets had a date on the bottom that was after the arc the bad production was bought up and people started panicking and then it turned out it didn't mean anything. It is like someone is constantly reminding you about the bad times in your life. Regarding Super proper, the negative aspects of the show get talked about way more than the positives, take #66 the positives of that episode got completely crushed under the negatives or the fact that #79 has a fraction of the discussion that #77 & 79 has.
And I am not meaning to say Kanzenshuu is a bad community at all, it is just I am not enjoying myself as much nowadays and my posts were are the list of reasons why I think that.

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Post by kinisking » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:53 pm

To be fair, episodes like 77 get more comments than episode like 79 because they're controversial. With these "bad" episodes they'res going to be a lot of people saying it's bad and then a lot of people disagreeing. It generates more conversation. On the other hand, episode 79 seems universally well received. There's only so many times people can agree on how good something is before the conversation gets dull.
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Post by Noah » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:01 pm

As a matter of fact #79 didn't have much discussion to going on, it had good art, it was well animated, the character interactions were on point, there wasn't much to complain, I wish we had more episodes like this one :)
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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:You are right that is not the best example to use but I couldn't think of anything better to describe it. I am not saying people should feign ignorance at all, everyone here knows about these things but it doesn't have to be brought up all the time that is my point every time I open thread that is what I am feeling, someone posted the FTrunks designs sheets had a date on the bottom that was after the arc the bad production was bought up and people started panicking and then it turned out it didn't mean anything. It is like someone is constantly reminding you about the bad times in your life. Regarding Super proper, the negative aspects of the show get talked about way more than the positives, take #66 the positives of that episode got completely crushed under the negatives or the fact that #79 has a fraction of the discussion that #77 & 79 has.
And I am not meaning to say Kanzenshuu is a bad community at all, it is just I am not enjoying myself as much nowadays and my posts were are the list of reasons why I think that.
I'm with you on not wanting to come on and just vibe on negativity. Reading negative knee-jerk reactionary comments is also incredibly tiring, and the Super subforum is full of those. I think more founded criticism is always acceptable though. And yes, as others have pointed out, controversy tends to breed longer group conversations.

My advice is to stop reading the forums if you're not getting any joy out of them. There's no crime in that. There weren't be any way to avoid negativity or criticism of the new material on here, as the boards are full of members invested enough in/curious enough about the series to follow it even during periods of (arguable or otherwise) freefall in quality, which won't go unremarked upon. Ditto for subpar home releases, etc. Words tend not to get minced.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:22 pm

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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:You are right that is not the best example to use but I couldn't think of anything better to describe it. I am not saying people should feign ignorance at all, everyone here knows about these things but it doesn't have to be brought up all the time that is my point every time I open thread that is what I am feeling, someone posted the FTrunks designs sheets had a date on the bottom that was after the arc the bad production was bought up and people started panicking and then it turned out it didn't mean anything. It is like someone is constantly reminding you about the bad times in your life. Regarding Super proper, the negative aspects of the show get talked about way more than the positives, take #66 the positives of that episode got completely crushed under the negatives or the fact that #79 has a fraction of the discussion that #77 & 79 has.
And I am not meaning to say Kanzenshuu is a bad community at all, it is just I am not enjoying myself as much nowadays and my posts were are the list of reasons why I think that.
I'm with you on not wanting to come on and just vibe on negativity. Reading negative knee-jerk reactionary comments is also incredibly tiring, and the Super subforum is full of those. I think more founded criticism is always acceptable though. And yes, as others have pointed out, controversy tends to breed longer group conversations.

My advice is to stop reading the forums if you're not getting any joy out of them. There's no crime in that. There weren't be any way to avoid negativity or criticism of the new material on here, as the boards are full of members invested enough in/curious enough about the series to follow it even during periods of (arguable or otherwise) freefall in quality, which won't go unremarked upon. Ditto for subpar home releases, etc. Words tend not to get minced.

To Kanzenshuu's great credit as a community, I have never once touched the foe list feature.
Of course there isn't anything wrong with criticism and such but it is just whenever something controversial happens no matter big or small it just gets completely blown out of proportion like I said the positives just get completely squished under the weight and it seems not a lot of folks take the "there is always light after the tunnel" mentality, for eg. the whole Goku Kiss thing, a pretty small part of an episode, doesn't affect the plot or characterisation yet there were pages and pages of people blowing up over that and the way Toei write it, you could actually interpret it differently but a lot of people chose not too that is what it has been like this last few year or so.

In regards to your second paragraph there are people who are obviously not enjoying the new series and that is absolutely fine, but I what fail to understand is why they continue to watch it let alone spend time discussing it, they are always going to have that negative mindset I have witnessed it time and time again, back when Super was in the Freeza arc and U6 arc, I was not enjoying the show at all and I wasn't on Kanzenshuu that much, after I seen an episode I just didn't want to discuss it at all and the Black arc is what got me super pumped again and I had that drive to discuss again. I have tried to ignore that sub-form but it is hard when I do want to discuss Super, I have more or less stopped posting on CBR forums for a similar reason the anti-DCEU crusade was just too bad, way worse than anything I am feeling here it was just so hard to discuss anything without negativity interjecting itself there and again I fail to understand why people discuss something they hate/dislike so much, it is pretty big frustration of mine when it comes to online communities in general.

Kanzenshuu is perhaps the best online community I have seen though as you say and the staff here are pretty great and any genuine bad posters do get ironed out pretty quick, it is weird at the same time they can bee seen as strict but then they can also be pretty lenient too.

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Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

Post by Noah » Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:13 am

Cipher wrote:To Kanzenshuu's great credit as a community, I have never once touched the foe list feature.
Me neither, I think everyone has the freedom of expressing their opinions, so no need to ignore those ones
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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:19 am

Noah wrote:
Cipher wrote:To Kanzenshuu's great credit as a community, I have never once touched the foe list feature.
Me neither, I think everyone has the freedom of expressing their opinions, so no need to ignore those ones
They have the right to express it, doesn't mean we have to listen.

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Post by Noah » Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:22 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:They have the right to express it, doesn't mean we have to listen.
I'm talking mainly about myself, if someone piss me off that badly I just avoid discussing with that person, which solves the problem for me.
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Post by Freeza9000 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:35 am

Geez, now I know why people used to make fan theories on how Goten is Goku Black. Fuck this shitty art. :lol:
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On a side note, I do somewhat dig the Super Saiyan God (Red form) for Goku Black as it matches with the sash.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:41 am

Just throwing this out there. Since our Zeno were planning on wiping out most of the universes anyway, the Zeno of Trunks' new timeline is probably going to do the same. The ending of the FT Arc just got even less happy.
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Post by Freeza9000 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:45 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Just throwing this out there. Since our Zeno were planning on wiping out most of the universes anyway, the Zeno of Trunks' new timeline is probably going to do the same. The ending of the FT Arc just got even less happy.
Oh my fucking God, no. How many times does Dragon Ball have to ruin Trunks's life again?

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:51 am

Freeza9000 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Just throwing this out there. Since our Zeno were planning on wiping out most of the universes anyway, the Zeno of Trunks' new timeline is probably going to do the same. The ending of the FT Arc just got even less happy.
Oh my fucking God, no. How many times does Dragon Ball have to ruin Trunks's life again?
There's something poetic about it. No matter what happens, Trunks is destined to be erased by an adorable, omnipotent child. I bet it happens before Mai even has her first child, such is the nature of the future.
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Post by Freeza9000 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:58 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Freeza9000 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Just throwing this out there. Since our Zeno were planning on wiping out most of the universes anyway, the Zeno of Trunks' new timeline is probably going to do the same. The ending of the FT Arc just got even less happy.
Oh my fucking God, no. How many times does Dragon Ball have to ruin Trunks's life again?
There's something poetic about it. No matter what happens, Trunks is destined to be erased by an adorable, omnipotent child. I bet it happens before Mai even has her first child, such is the nature of the future.
Guess this does bring up an interesting question on whether Future Trunks will be referenced by Super or characters like Goku or Vegeta again.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:02 am

Freeza9000 wrote:Guess this does bring up an interesting question on whether Future Trunks will be referenced by Super or characters like Goku or Vegeta again.
He may be referenced, but that's all. Since Toyotaro's manga has gone and introduced the waning link theory, I think we've probably seen the last of him. They can always come up with some bullshit if they really want to bring him back, but in my opinion, Future Trunks' era is over.
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Post by Freeza9000 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:05 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Freeza9000 wrote:Guess this does bring up an interesting question on whether Future Trunks will be referenced by Super or characters like Goku or Vegeta again.
He may be referenced, but that's all. Since Toyotaro's manga has gone and introduced the waning link theory, I think we've probably seen the last of him. They can always come up with some bullshit if they really want to bring him back, but in my opinion, Future Trunks' era is over.
Well, there's a female Broli looking character inserted into the story so the possibilities are endless imo.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:05 pm

Is it possible for Gohan to stack KK on top of Ultimate? Cause that'd be a good way to raise his power without destroying the entire point of Ultimate in the first place.
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:07 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Is it possible for Gohan to stack KK on top of Ultimate? Cause that'd be a good way to raise his power without destroying the entire point of Ultimate in the first place.
If Goku can stack SSJ or SSJB on top of Kaioken, I dont see why Ultimate cant.

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Post by Ki Breaker » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:26 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Is it possible for Gohan to stack KK on top of Ultimate? Cause that'd be a good way to raise his power without destroying the entire point of Ultimate in the first place.
Ultimate is his base form, yes it's possible
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Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:40 pm

Does anyone have any big examples of SS1 having sparks/lightning in the manga? I know the anime shows, specials and TV shows tend to give it some but besides two in the Boo arc with Vegeta and Vegetto, I can't recall any.
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