The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Shlugo]

Who's the strongest character in Z: Venomous Lavenda could beat?

Probably SSJ3 Gotenks, especially if higher forms of Super Saiyan accelerate the spread of poison even more.



Anyway my first versus:

Current SSJ Gohan vs Buuhan.

[Zamasu55]

Who's the strongest character in Z: Venomous Lavenda could beat?

Probably SSJ3 Gotenks, especially if higher forms of Super Saiyan accelerate the spread of poison even more.



Anyway my first versus:

Current SSJ Gohan vs Buuhan.

I think Current Gohan's stronger than his Buu saga self, but not that much.
Buuhan wins.

[DBZAOTA482]

You're forgetting the 3 years and 8 months of training he had to do before that. He also had to scale the Karin Tower twice, and the water had an incredibly potent toxin that killed every person who drank it before him and put him in unbearable agony for 6 hours.

If anybody can surpass Piccolo so easily, why did Mutaito and co. waste their lives when they could just "do their own thing" for 2 or 3 years and then stomp him?

Why did Roshi waste his time scaling Karin tower and then spend 3 years trying to get the water when he could obtain much greater power through basic training?

It's a general theme throughout Dragon Ball that the new generation is naturally far superior to their predecessors. I mean, you have Yajirobe would fought on par with Goku in his first appearance with no special training or lineage to speak of or how Tien was able to compete with Goku in the tournaments while the other humans can't for no explicit reason?

Chi-Chi pushing Piccolo Daimao level from 7 years of (presumably) hard training for her hubby is not a huge stretch unless you just hate the idea of her being that strength.

Goku wasn't going all out against Yajirobe, he later reveals his real power against Tambourine. And Tenshinhan was a prodigy who was also much older than Goku.

And Roshi generally made sure to mention when the folks from the younger generation got ahead of him, but he never said anything about her surpassing him when he was talking about her.

He kinda does:

Chapter: 171, P4.1
Kame-sennin: “I don’t know quite what’s going on here, but that girl is quite a master…Wh-what’s more, [her style] resembles my own Kame-sen School…”

[apex_pretador]

Who's the strongest character in Z: Venomous Lavenda could beat?

Super vegetto if he is playing around. If the opponent is trying to kill, then maybe SS3 goku or gotenks because poison's effects would be magnified.

Anyway my first versus:

Current SSJ Gohan vs Buuhan.

Welcome!
In my opinion, since Gohan while weakened showed he can handle Lavender with ease in base, he should be above buu in base. So there is no doubt in super saiyan he should be above buuhan.

[dragonball0900]

He kinda does:

Chapter: 171, P4.1
Kame-sennin: “I don’t know quite what’s going on here, but that girl is quite a master…Wh-what’s more, [her style] resembles my own Kame-sen School…”

I don't think that means Chi Chi surpassed Roshi, it's more like Roshi was amazed at her power, but not that she surpassed him. For her to be a master, I'm sure that she's probably a bit below Tsuru, possibly stronger than 22nd Budokai Krillin. I'm also convinced that she's stronger than Chappa, who is stronger than Tao.

[Dbzfan94]

SSJ3 Teen Gotenks (28th Tournament) vs Gohan Buu

Note: Goten and Trunks trained casually over the 10 year gap and both achieved SSJ2.

[apex_pretador]

SSJ3 Teen Gotenks (28th Tournament) vs Gohan Buu

Note: Goten and Trunks trained casually over the 10 year gap and both achieved SSJ2.

Gotenks

[TheUltimateNinja]

SSJ3 Teen Gotenks (28th Tournament) vs Gohan Buu

Note: Goten and Trunks trained casually over the 10 year gap and both achieved SSJ2.

Gotenks

They'd have to triple their power to stand a chance.

[apex_pretador]

SSJ3 Teen Gotenks (28th Tournament) vs Gohan Buu

Note: Goten and Trunks trained casually over the 10 year gap and both achieved SSJ2.

Gotenks

They'd have to triple their power to stand a chance.

Double would be enough by my numbers.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Gotenks

They'd have to triple their power to stand a chance.

Double would be enough by my numbers.

You have to remember Buu's regeneration and their 5 minute time limit.

[Shlugo]

Welcome!
In my opinion, since Gohan while weakened showed he can handle Lavender with ease in base, he should be above buu in base. So there is no doubt in super saiyan he should be above buuhan.

Thanks!

Yeah, that's basically my thinking too. I have him somewhere between Mr Boo and his Ultimate self in base.

SSJ3 Teen Gotenks (28th Tournament) vs Gohan Buu

Note: Goten and Trunks trained casually over the 10 year gap and both achieved SSJ2.

I'd go with Gotenks. They should easily be able to increase their power enough to defeat Gohan Buu.

[Hellspawn28]

Zeno vs. Franklin Richards?

Both are little kids with powerful reality warping powers. Who wins?

[dragon boss z]

Are people actually arguing Chi-chi vs King Piccolo? King Piccolo casually one shots her. It's someoen who is city level vs someoen who isn't even small building level.

You again? And do you even have proof?

The real question is do you have proof? Chi-chi could most likely be killed by bullets and would get crapped on by both Roshi or Tao, who would lose to King Piccolo. There is absolutely 0 evidence she got that much stronger. And Tien trains every day, you can't compare them. And even Tien's power level was only 250 at the BOZ which was around King Piccolo level. I don't see how Chi-chi would automatically be stronger than King Piccolo just because time has passed. Roshi is over 300 years old, has gone through a multitude of special training, and destroyed a mountain and the moon, and still said he couldn't beat King Piccolo. Saying Chi-chi has surpassed King Piccolo is like saying the farmer with a shotgun surpassed him because 20 years have passed. Just because this is dragon ball doesn't mean everyone keeps getting stronger.

That's just shitty dubbing. This also shouldn't concern her since she had no problems firing a ki blast towards the ring herself.

She had control of her ki blast. And Trunk's ki blast clearly would of obliterated the ring if it hit.

[Noah]

Who's the strongest character in Z: Venomous Lavenda could beat?

Super vegetto if he is playing around. If the opponent is trying to kill, then maybe SS3 goku or gotenks because poison's effects would be magnified.

So you think rusty Gohan that had trained only a couple of times had surpassed Super Vegetto?

[Zamasu55]

Who's the strongest character in Z: Venomous Lavenda could beat?

Super vegetto if he is playing around. If the opponent is trying to kill, then maybe SS3 goku or gotenks because poison's effects would be magnified.

So you think rusty Gohan that had trained only a couple of times had surpassed Super Vegetto?

I don't think he meant that.
But anyway, if Vegito got hit by Lavenda's poison he'd be in real trouble.

[dragon boss z]

He kinda does:

Chapter: 171, P4.1
Kame-sennin: “I don’t know quite what’s going on here, but that girl is quite a master…Wh-what’s more, [her style] resembles my own Kame-sen School…”

I don't think that means Chi Chi surpassed Roshi, it's more like Roshi was amazed at her power, but not that she surpassed him. For her to be a master, I'm sure that she's probably a bit below Tsuru, possibly stronger than 22nd Budokai Krillin. I'm also convinced that she's stronger than Chappa, who is stronger than Tao.

You forgot to put in your opinion... Especially considering all evidence points the other way as I've shown.

[nickzambuto]

Chi-Chi's strength has always been interesting to me.

At the very least, I think it's agreeable that she surpassed Goku and Tenshinhan's level from the 22nd tournament. Weighted Goku's speed was equal to his speed against Daimao, and Chi-Chi was able to keep that Goku on his toes and force him to block, rather than casually dodging her. Basically, look at how 22nd Goku compared against less than 50% of old Daimao's power. Piccolo wouldn't be forced to dodge, that was a horrific stomp where he could have sidestepped every blow from Goku with a smile. This means Chi-Chi, in order to make a character of far greater speed block, must be far stronger than 22nd Goku.

Alternatively, assuming initial weighted Goku = initial Tenshinhan, look at how much stronger Chi-Chi's performance was compared to Cyborg Tao. Tao and Tsuru both should have had a firm grasp of Tenshinhan's strength at the 22nd Budokai, and as a Cyborg, Tao was confident that he had ascended to a level Tenshinhan would never be able to reach. He should be at least as strong as Drum if you ask me, ascending to the tier of demons would be the next step, something he might believe Tenshinhan could never naturally achieve. If Chi-Chi gave a stronger performance than him, she must be stronger than the 22nd level fighters.

That said, she isn't on par with Daimao because she was still ultimately much slower than weighted Goku, whose speed was about equal to Daimao. She might be as strong as old Daimao, but that's the most I'd be willing to give her.

[floofychan333]

SSJ3 Teen Gotenks (28th Tournament) vs Gohan Buu

Note: Goten and Trunks trained casually over the 10 year gap and both achieved SSJ2.

Gotenks wins, no question.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Chi-Chi's strength has always been interesting to me.

At the very least, I think it's agreeable that she surpassed Goku and Tenshinhan's level from the 22nd tournament. Weighted Goku's speed was equal to his speed against Daimao, and Chi-Chi was able to keep that Goku on his toes and force him to block, rather than casually dodging her. Basically, look at how 22nd Goku compared against less than 50% of old Daimao's power. Piccolo wouldn't be forced to dodge, that was a horrific stomp where he could have sidestepped every blow from Goku with a smile. This means Chi-Chi, in order to make a character of far greater speed block, must be far stronger than 22nd Goku.

Alternatively, assuming initial weighted Goku = initial Tenshinhan, look at how much stronger Chi-Chi's performance was compared to Cyborg Tao. Tao and Tsuru both should have had a firm grasp of Tenshinhan's strength at the 22nd Budokai, and as a Cyborg, Tao was confident that he had ascended to a level Tenshinhan would never be able to reach. He should be at least as strong as Drum if you ask me, ascending to the tier of demons would be the next step, something he might believe Tenshinhan could never naturally achieve. If Chi-Chi gave a stronger performance than him, she must be stronger than the 22nd level fighters.

That said, she isn't on par with Daimao because she was still ultimately much slower than weighted Goku, whose speed was about equal to Daimao. She might be as strong as old Daimao, but that's the most I'd be willing to give her.

I doubt 50% Daimao could casually take Goku out with the air pressure from a punch.

And Goku wasn't using anywhere close to his real power against Chichi, it's kind of like him fighting Kuririn back in the 22nd Budokai but even more suppressed.

[nickzambuto]

Chi-Chi's strength has always been interesting to me.

At the very least, I think it's agreeable that she surpassed Goku and Tenshinhan's level from the 22nd tournament. Weighted Goku's speed was equal to his speed against Daimao, and Chi-Chi was able to keep that Goku on his toes and force him to block, rather than casually dodging her. Basically, look at how 22nd Goku compared against less than 50% of old Daimao's power. Piccolo wouldn't be forced to dodge, that was a horrific stomp where he could have sidestepped every blow from Goku with a smile. This means Chi-Chi, in order to make a character of far greater speed block, must be far stronger than 22nd Goku.

Alternatively, assuming initial weighted Goku = initial Tenshinhan, look at how much stronger Chi-Chi's performance was compared to Cyborg Tao. Tao and Tsuru both should have had a firm grasp of Tenshinhan's strength at the 22nd Budokai, and as a Cyborg, Tao was confident that he had ascended to a level Tenshinhan would never be able to reach. He should be at least as strong as Drum if you ask me, ascending to the tier of demons would be the next step, something he might believe Tenshinhan could never naturally achieve. If Chi-Chi gave a stronger performance than him, she must be stronger than the 22nd level fighters.

That said, she isn't on par with Daimao because she was still ultimately much slower than weighted Goku, whose speed was about equal to Daimao. She might be as strong as old Daimao, but that's the most I'd be willing to give her.

I doubt 50% Daimao could casually take Goku out with the air pressure from a punch.

And Goku wasn't using anywhere close to his real power against Chichi, it's kind of like him fighting Kuririn back in the 22nd Budokai but even more suppressed.

Don't underestimate that air punch. It's a specific technique which Kami taught to Goku, Piccolo mentioned that it resembled the demon clan's style. Goku used the punch on Piccolo during their fight, and it made Piccolo's head snap back. He wasn't actually hurt, but then again, neither was Chi-Chi. It was just a ring out.

And yes Goku wasn't going all out against Chi Chi. That's why I described him as "initial weighted Goku." Initial as in, before powering up, and weighted as in with his weights. But even with those two factors his speed was said to be the same as it was three years prior. That was the whole point of my argument.