Unpopular DB opinions

[ABED]

Except that Vegeta was in a very different place when Goku was trying to convince him to fuse, so that's not proof. And even if he could one shot him, that doesn't mean he has to if he's Super Saiyan 3.

[Kamiccolo9]

This whole "Goku isn't useed to SSJ3 so he can't do it during the Vegeta fight" doesn't really work when you see how easily he pops into the form later on in the arc. He doesn't have any trouble powering up into SSJ3 when he confronts Buutenks, for example.

[Noah]

Well, that was the third time he used and it's very common in this series that first time transformations take time some time then after not much.

[DBZAOTA482]

I imagine you mean to get the plot moving by any means necessary? Honestly I would argue that the Cell, Android arc and Buu saga are prehaps the worst that Goku ever was. Transforming him into a full blown blood knight who constantly made everything worse on the chance that he could sate his battle boner, he also constantly risked everything and only once it didn't actually blow up in his face.

Heck the Cell arc and Buu arc would improve tremendously with the removal of all the dumb stuff that happens in them.

Last I checked, Cell/Boo arc Goku never willingly sacrificed the lives of trillions just so he can have a good fight like in Super. In fact, he knew his time was over and he was the man with the plan.

No, he just pointlessly endangered them along with everybody else in the cast. What's his plan to combat the apocalypse? Half ass his training for 3 years (he doesn't even make Gohan an SS ffs). What's his plan to stop Boo from hatching? NOT use his full power, like he says he will, against Vegeta and dick around with him. What's his plan to beat Kid Boo? NOT use fusion or call in Gotenks & Gohan to easily win the fight.

Let's not pretend Goku hasn't made things purposefully worse purely for his own entertainment, the Survival Arc is merely the latest and biggest example of what was going to happen eventually with him.

Gohan wasn't ready to be Super Saiyan during the 3 years and they couldn't afford to waste time. Goku didn't use SSJ3 because it would eat away the time he had on Earth and he didn't wanna make things worse with Vegeta. He didn't accept potara out of respect for Vegeta and it wasn't really necessary plus the boys not joining the fight was Vegeta's call.

I'm not pretending... I'm just not buying your and Gog or whatever's "Goku is an amoral selfish asshole" bullshit.

When has he willingly sacrificed the lives of trillions in Super? At worst, he accidentally risked lives because of unforeseen consequences.

Where as in the Cell arc, he willing waved off the chance to stop the androids from ever coming, even with the full knowledge that they would basically start the apocalypse. Because he wanted to fight the Androids.

At worst...? Saying that Goku 'accidentally' doomed trillions of lives is putting things very lightly considering he doesn't even seem to care people would die for his battle boner.

The androids only caused so much trouble in the future because the Z-Warrior didn't come correct... they at least have the sense to prepare for them in the main timeline and Goku at least gave a moral justification for not stopping Dr. Gero beforehand.

[ekrolo2]

Gohan wasn't ready to be Super Saiyan during the 3 years and they couldn't afford to waste time. Goku didn't use SSJ3 because it would eat away the time he had on Earth and he didn't wanna make things worse with Vegeta. He didn't accept potara out of respect for Vegeta and it wasn't really necessary plus the boys not joining the fight was Vegeta's call.

I'm not pretending... I'm just not buying your and Gog or whatever's "Goku is an amoral selfish asshole" bullshit.

Gohan is right next to his father in Base power and if Goku can turn him into one relatively soon into their ROSAT training, he can pull it off in the 3 years of time they've got to make him one. It's especially easy since Gohan has a bitch fit over anything so there's no reason for him not to be an SS besides making things more interesting IE harder for when the Androids arrive.

Goku doesn't care about Vegeta's pride, he tells him to his face that he intends to use his full power to stomp his shit in to avoid taking damage and to prevent Boo from hatching, that's why he immediately used Super Saiyan 2. There's no good reason for him to say "I'm gonna be pragmatic for once!" then randomly decide not to be by not using SS3 to stomp SS2 Vegeta, like he verbally said he wanted to.

So what if it was Vegeta's call? Goku ignores advice all the time and his whole BS about not killing Fat Boo is so the next generation can clean up their own messes for once, I know this relies on Goku being somewhat consistent motivation wise in the Boo arc but there's no good reason for him not to simply have Gotenks and Gohan stomp Kid Boo. Especially since he chastised himself for being an idiot earlier and not doing things the easy way by simply using the potara to end Boo once and for all.

I never said Goku was amoral, but he is a selfish prick who makes things much harder for himself and everyone around him to make things more interesting. The Survival Arc is just the culmination of his selfishness reaching its logical end point without turning him into a Black style omnicidal maniac.

[ABED]

Gohan is right next to his father in Base power and if Goku can turn him into one relatively soon into their ROSAT training, he can pull it off in the 3 years of time they've got to make him one. It's especially easy since Gohan has a bitch fit over anything so there's no reason for him not to be an SS besides making things more interesting IE harder for when the Androids arrive.

Where'd you get the idea that he's close to Goku in his base? And did you stop to think that maybe the reason he could turn SS early in his RoSaT training is BECAUSE of the three years he spent training for the Cyborgs?

Again I'd ask that any of you criticizing Goku's ethics so harshly to understand that it's not a superhero show.

[ekrolo2]

Gohan is right next to his father in Base power and if Goku can turn him into one relatively soon into their ROSAT training, he can pull it off in the 3 years of time they've got to make him one. It's especially easy since Gohan has a bitch fit over anything so there's no reason for him not to be an SS besides making things more interesting IE harder for when the Androids arrive.

Where'd you get the idea that he's close to Goku in his base? And did you stop to think that maybe the reason he could turn SS early in his RoSaT training is BECAUSE of the three years he spent training for the Cyborgs?

Again I'd ask that any of you criticizing Goku's ethics so harshly to understand that it's not a superhero show.

Considering the fact how bloated Zenkai quickly become with the Freeza fight and Gohan managing to successfully rage out on second and third form Freeza, I don't think I'm being nuts when I say he doesn't need much time to catch up to his dads level on Namek then turn SS. And no, I think Goku didn't make him one to make things interesting with the Androids.

I'm not criticizing Goku for not being a superhero, I'm criticizing his faulty decision making in the Boo arc where he constantly says one thing then does another that's the antithesis of it. Goku sparing Gero is in-character, he wants a good fight and that's fine. Him saying "I will stomp your shit Vegeta!" then not using SS3 to do makes no sense.

Him criticizing himself for being cocky and not using the potara to kill Kid Boo means nothing when he later on doesn't do the easy thing by simply ignoring Vegeta and calling Gotenks & Gohan for help. Plus the last one randomly has him drop the whole "Let the kids handle their own stuff for once!" idea.

[ABED]

While it's certainly not crazy, Goku could increase the gap between their base powers with his training. You are just assuming. And there's absolutely nothing to suggest Goku held back with Gohan's training to make things more interesting for himself.

not using SS3 to do makes no sense.

That's a fault of the writing, not a fault of the character.

he later on doesn't do the easy thing by simply ignoring Vegeta and calling Gotenks & Gohan for help.

When was this?

[ekrolo2]

While it's certainly not crazy, Goku could increase the gap between their base powers with his training. You are just assuming. And there's absolutely nothing to suggest Goku held back with Gohan's training to make things more interesting for himself.

Considering all the other stuff Goku does to make things more interesting, I can 100% buy him intentionally holding Gohan back so the Androids are harder. It's probably the same reason he doesn't use the ROSAT either.

That's a fault of the writing, not a fault of the character.

The character is who's controlled by the writing and in the context of the universe, Goku's decision making is random and nonsensical at best after SS3 gets introduced.

When was this?

After Goku loses SS3, Vegeta gets contacted by Kibitoshin and Dende and they start making plans for the Namekian Dragon Balls. Goku suggests for them to call Gotenks and Gohan to help but Vegeta wants to use the Spirit Bomb because..... fuck if I know.

Earlier on, Goku chastises himself for being cocky and not simply using the easy road to victory through the potara. It doesn't make sense for him to realize that he's been an idiot all this time only to listen to Vegeta's moronic advice which just makes things harder again. And no, Goku isn't doing this for the thrill of the fight, HE'S the one who suggested for Gotenks and Gohan to come over and help, so there's no fighting junkie excuse to be had here: it makes no sense.

[ABED]

Vegeta wants to use the Spirit Bomb because..... fuck if I know.

He wanted the people of Earth to finally do something. You remember all these things, but you can't recall Vegeta saying he wanted the people of Earth to take some responsibility in saving themselves? I don't know if Gotenks could've defeated Kid Buu.

The character is who's controlled by the writing and in the context of the universe, Goku's decision making is random and nonsensical at best after SS3 gets introduced.

The reason his decision making is random is because he didn't think of Super Saiyan 3 before hand. He wrote the earlier chapters believing SS2 was Goku at his maximum. However, when he had Goku confront Buu, he felt he needed them to be on an even playing field, thus sacrificing the logic of the earlier chapters. I don't know why this is so hard for some to grasp.

Considering all the other stuff Goku does to make things more interesting, I can 100% buy him intentionally holding Gohan back so the Androids are harder. It's probably the same reason he doesn't use the ROSAT either.

Such as? Goku doesn't hold back to make it more interesting because holding back isn't interesting for him. Regardless, there's nothing that states or implies he held back with Gohan's training. And the reason he doesn't use the ROSAT in the three years is because Toriyama hadn't thought of it yet. And don't reply "we're talking in universe".

[ekrolo2]

He wanted the people of Earth to finally do something. You remember all these things, but you can't recall Vegeta saying he wanted the people of Earth to take some responsibility in saving themselves.

You're right about that, it did slip my mind but it's still a really random element to throw in, especially when mankind has nothing to do with Majin Boo being released and destroying the planet. That's a collective responsibility of fuck ups shared between everyone from Goku to Vegeta to Gohan to Gotenks.

It also doesn't make sense for Goku to listen to Vegeta when he admited to himself he seriously screwed up by not simply taking the easy route to victory IE the potara. He's ignored plenty of good advice before, why's he listening to the bad advice now besides the fact the plot needs him too. At least the anime makes Kid Boo & Goku stronger than Gohan and Gotenks so you can at least rationalize it there as them not being combatively viable enough to bring into the fight. In the manga there's no excuse for it.

The reason his decision making is random is because he didn't think of Super Saiyan 3 before hand. He wrote the earlier chapters believing SS2 was Goku at his maximum. However, when he had Goku confront Buu, he felt he needed them to be on an even playing field, thus throwing the earlier chapters under the bus. I don't know why this is so hard for some to grasp.

You can't seem to grasp the idea of "in-universe thinking". I know perfectly well why his motivation is about as stable as the ocean during a storm but there's no good in-character excuse for it. And don't tell me it can't be done, Toriyama managed to retcon in stuff retroactively and make it work out just fine. Like how Vegeta is never remotely implied to be a Saiyan Prince until he fights Dodoria but it works, nor is it implied anywhere he wants to use immortality to kill his boss but that works too.

Such as? Goku doesn't hold back to make it more interesting because holding back isn't interesting for him. Regardless, there's nothing that states or implies he held back with Gohan's training. And the reason he doesn't use the ROSAT in the three years is because Toriyama hadn't thought of it yet. And don't reply "we're talking in universe".

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In-universe has to be taken into account because in-universe is the internal logic of the characters for their decisions. If Dragon Ball people stopped all the time to break the fourth wall and say "I didn't use it cause Toriyama didn't think of it!" you could get away with this but we've gotten take into consideration Goku's decision to half-ass his training when knows the ROSAT exists. Why does he do it? Why doesn't he make Gohan an SS during the three-year skip?

[ABED]

I do grasp in universe thinking, but I think it's dumb when you can't justify a characters actions when there's a huge continuity error.

there's no good in-character excuse for it

That is exactly my point. If you can't justify it in-universe, then stop trying. Just chalk it up to bad writing and move on. And it's not either or. There are some retcons you can justify, but others you can't. Vegeta wanted immortality for its own sake. His primary motive wasn't taking out Freeza.

In-universe has to be taken into account because in-universe is the internal logic of the characters for their decisions.

I f'ing know that, but when bad writing ruins the internal logic, you can't justify it. It's putting a square peg in a round hole. You end up sacrificing the story to make the characters work or vice versa. In this case, the consistency of Goku's character was sacrificed to make certain plot points work. It's like when one of the main characters was revealed to be Gossip Girl. Try as you might to justify it, it makes absolutely no sense. Why would someone who is supposedly writing all this gossip act surprised in front of no one? And please don't get hung up on that example. It was just to illustrate the point that I don't think it would be right to criticize the character due to an error caused by the writers.

Why does he do it? Why doesn't he make Gohan an SS during the three-year skip?

You can't justify it in-universe and questions like this arise as a result.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Earlier on, Goku chastises himself for being cocky and not simply using the easy road to victory through the potara. It doesn't make sense for him to realize that he's been an idiot all this time only to listen to Vegeta's moronic advice which just makes things harder again. And no, Goku isn't doing this for the thrill of the fight, HE'S the one who suggested for Gotenks and Gohan to come over and help, so there's no fighting junkie excuse to be had here: it makes no sense.

There's actually far more retarded decision making in that part, and somehow everyone ends up going along with Vegeta.

When Vegeta first suggests the Genki Dama, Goku says that his plan sucks and there's no way that taking some energy from Earth's inhabitants would allow him to beat Buu. Vegeta says he just has to take a lot of energy then. At this point Kaio butts in and says he can connect them to the whole universe if they want, but Vegeta insists that the Earth alone will be enough and that there's no need to overdo it, and at this point Goku somehow completely reverses his position and says Vegeta is a hero and goes along with the plan.

[ekrolo2]

There's actually far more retarded decision making in that part, and somehow everyone ends up going along with Vegeta.
When Vegeta first suggests the Genki Dama, Goku says that his plan sucks and there's no way that taking some energy from Earth's inhabitants would allow him to beat Buu. Vegeta says he just has to take a lot of energy then. At this point Kaio butts in and says he can connect them to the whole universe if they want, but Vegeta insists that the Earth alone will be enough and that there's no need to overdo it, and at this point Goku somehow completely reverses his position and says Vegeta is a hero and goes along with the plan.

Huh... I hadn't thought of that but you're right, that whole part is even more supremely moronic.

I f'ing know that, but when bad writing ruins the internal logic, you can't justify it. It's putting a square peg in a round hole. You end up sacrificing the story to make the characters work or vice versa. In this case, the consistency of Goku's character was sacrificed to make certain plot points work. It's like when one of the main characters was revealed to be Gossip Girl. Try as you might to justify it, it makes absolutely no sense. Why would someone who is supposedly writing all this gossip act surprised in front of no one? And please don't get hung up on that example. It was just to illustrate the point that I don't think it would be right to criticize the character due to an error caused by the writers.

I find that last point interesting since the writing is what steers everything, where do you think "Goku is perfectly in-character" crosses over into "Toriyama fucked up!"?

[ABED]

I find that last point interesting since the writing is what steers everything, where do you think "Goku is perfectly in-character" crosses over into "Toriyama fucked up!"?

That's a great question and off the top of my head, I would say when Goku's actions are inconsistent with his psychology and previous actions without suitable in-character explanation, then Toriyama messed up. For instance, characters can have inconsistent actions but it's dictated by their psychology.

To my knowledge, Goku doesn't lie, but if we take Goku at his word that he could've defeated Buu in Super Saiyan 3, then he lied to Piccolo when he said that he couldn't. Why would he lie to Piccolo about something like that?

Goku somehow completely reverses his position and says Vegeta is a hero and goes along with the plan.

Because he was convinced by Vegeta that the plan would work.

it's still a really random element to throw in, especially when mankind has nothing to do with Majin Boo being released and destroying the planet.

Good point. It's a nice idea that doesn't work thematically.

[ekrolo2]

I find that last point interesting since the writing is what steers everything, where do you think "Goku is perfectly in-character" crosses over into "Toriyama fucked up!"?

That's a great question and off the top of my head, I would say when Goku's actions are inconsistent with his psychology and previous actions without suitable in-character explanation, then Toriyama messed up. For instance, characters can have inconsistent actions but it's dictated by their psychology.

To my knowledge, Goku doesn't lie, but if we take Goku at his word that he could've defeated Buu in Super Saiyan 3, then he lied to Piccolo when he said that he couldn't. Why would he lie to Piccolo about something like that?

That is a very good point. Goku's a very blunt guy and it seems to me that he'd sooner tell everyone "Ah don't worry about guys! Goten and Trunks can handle this no problem with fusion!" rather than caring if he's gonna freak everybody by saying he intentionally held back against Fat Boo.

[Kanassa]

When has he willingly sacrificed the lives of trillions in Super? At worst, he accidentally risked lives because of unforeseen consequences.

Where as in the Cell arc, he willing waved off the chance to stop the androids from ever coming, even with the full knowledge that they would basically start the apocalypse. Because he wanted to fight the Androids.

At worst...? Saying that Goku 'accidentally' doomed trillions of lives is putting things very lightly considering he doesn't even seem to care people would die for his battle boner.

You said:

Last I checked, Cell/Boo arc Goku never willingly sacrificed the lives of trillions just so he can have a good fight like in Super.

Which is wrong. Sacrifice means Goku knew that Zeno would doom universes in advance and still decided to kick this off anyway to sate his battle lust (Even though we learn later that this would of happened without Goku, and technically Goku actually gave their universe a chance of survival). He did not, all he knew is that Zeno, his friend, was planning a tournament; and he wanted to remind him. There was no sacrifice here. And people aren't dying because of his 'battle boner', they're dying because of Zeno (Or the grand priest if various theories are correct).

And Goku usually doesn't seem to care about the deaths of people unless he witnesses them, his emotional involvment in serious situations requires him to be directly affected some times.

The androids only caused so much trouble in the future because the Z-Warrior didn't come correct... they at least have the sense to prepare for them in the main timeline and Goku at least gave a moral justification for not stopping Dr. Gero beforehand.

The Androids destroyed so much in the future because they were stronger, and in this timeline they were still stronger until Goku and Co used the ROSAT. Really, to add onto the 'Trunks really didn't need to be in the story' train, him coming back barely changed anything aside from allowing Cell to arrive and he didn't even know Cell existed. And there is no moral dilemma here, find Gero, stop his research. Simple. No need to kill him, even though he works for the Red Ribbon Army.

They knew the risk this presented to the world. They knew the consequences. And they decided to not take the easy and safe solution. They sacrificed millions of lives for the sake of their battle boners. And that's why Goku, as well as all the Z-Fighters are such interesting characters.

[DBZAOTA482]

Gohan wasn't ready to be Super Saiyan during the 3 years and they couldn't afford to waste time. Goku didn't use SSJ3 because it would eat away the time he had on Earth and he didn't wanna make things worse with Vegeta. He didn't accept potara out of respect for Vegeta and it wasn't really necessary plus the boys not joining the fight was Vegeta's call.

I'm not pretending... I'm just not buying your and Gog or whatever's "Goku is an amoral selfish asshole" bullshit.

Gohan is right next to his father in Base power and if Goku can turn him into one relatively soon into their ROSAT training, he can pull it off in the 3 years of time they've got to make him one. It's especially easy since Gohan has a bitch fit over anything so there's no reason for him not to be an SS besides making things more interesting IE harder for when the Androids arrive.

Goku doesn't care about Vegeta's pride, he tells him to his face that he intends to use his full power to stomp his shit in to avoid taking damage and to prevent Boo from hatching, that's why he immediately used Super Saiyan 2. There's no good reason for him to say "I'm gonna be pragmatic for once!" then randomly decide not to be by not using SS3 to stomp SS2 Vegeta, like he verbally said he wanted to.

So what if it was Vegeta's call? Goku ignores advice all the time and his whole BS about not killing Fat Boo is so the next generation can clean up their own messes for once, I know this relies on Goku being somewhat consistent motivation wise in the Boo arc but there's no good reason for him not to simply have Gotenks and Gohan stomp Kid Boo. Especially since he chastised himself for being an idiot earlier and not doing things the easy way by simply using the potara to end Boo once and for all.

I never said Goku was amoral, but he is a selfish prick who makes things much harder for himself and everyone around him to make things more interesting. The Survival Arc is just the culmination of his selfishness reaching its logical end point without turning him into a Black style omnicidal maniac.

Gohan wasn't even a 1/3 of Goku's power even at base level during the Freeza fight and the gap most likely widen with Goku training while away on Yadrat and there's no implications of Gohan keeping up with his training. Also, going Super Saiyan isn't as simple as "having a bitch fit".... it requires an emotional breaking point and that would be a waste of time on what can be used for training.

Well, obviously the answer for that is Toriyama never thought of SSJ3 at the time. The form also would take the time he has on Earth left.

When was it characteristic for Goku to ignore advice? Goku did suggested bringing Gohan and Gotenks but Vegeta and later King Kai decided it would be better for Earth to fend for itself for a change. Goku's plan was not bullshit... he wanted the new gen to be able to protect himself while he's gone which is quite reasonable looking from his perspective.

When has he willingly sacrificed the lives of trillions in Super? At worst, he accidentally risked lives because of unforeseen consequences.

Where as in the Cell arc, he willing waved off the chance to stop the androids from ever coming, even with the full knowledge that they would basically start the apocalypse. Because he wanted to fight the Androids.

At worst...? Saying that Goku 'accidentally' doomed trillions of lives is putting things very lightly considering he doesn't even seem to care people would die for his battle boner.

You said:

Last I checked, Cell/Boo arc Goku never willingly sacrificed the lives of trillions just so he can have a good fight like in Super.

Which is wrong. Sacrifice means Goku knew that Zeno would doom universes in advance and still decided to kick this off anyway to sate his battle lust (Even though we learn later that this would of happened without Goku, and technically Goku actually gave their universe a chance of survival). He did not, all he knew is that Zeno, his friend, was planning a tournament; and he wanted to remind him. There was no sacrifice here. And people aren't dying because of his 'battle boner', they're dying because of Zeno (Or the grand priest if various theories are correct).

And Goku usually doesn't seem to care about the deaths of people unless he witnesses them, his emotional involvment in serious situations requires him to be directly affected some times.

The androids only caused so much trouble in the future because the Z-Warrior didn't come correct... they at least have the sense to prepare for them in the main timeline and Goku at least gave a moral justification for not stopping Dr. Gero beforehand.

The Androids destroyed so much in the future because they were stronger, and in this timeline they were still stronger until Goku and Co used the ROSAT. Really, to add onto the 'Trunks really didn't need to be in the story' train, him coming back barely changed anything aside from allowing Cell to arrive and he didn't even know Cell existed. And there is no moral dilemma here, find Gero, stop his research. Simple. No need to kill him, even though he works for the Red Ribbon Army.

They knew the risk this presented to the world. They knew the consequences. And they decided to not take the easy and safe solution. They sacrificed millions of lives for the sake of their battle boners. And that's why Goku, as well as all the Z-Fighters are such interesting characters.

It's still a sacrifice because the tournament reminded Zeno of the idea for killing and Goku still doesn't care trillions will die for his battle boner.

Goku was upset at Vegeta killing Nappa, he cared greatly about Vegeta (who directly hasn't killed any of his friends yet) being on Namek while Gohan, Krillin, and Bulma were there, called out Vegeta for killing Burter and Recoome, tried to spare Ginyu, spared Freeza some energy out of pity, and told Mr. Satan not fuck with Cell.

Yeah and then Cell kills everyone eventually. Only a non-warrior pussy would listen to Bulma's plan by taking the coward's way out.

The androids in the main timeline only caused so much troubled to begin with is becaused Trunks' interfering with the events of the main timeline changed things drastically than told (#16, 19, Dr. Gero turning himself into an android, #17 and #18 being a lot stronger) which they couldn't possibly anticipate. There is no guarantee people would end up dying needlessly like they did in the future.

[King-K9]

I love the Episode of Bardock special. In fact, I don't know if I like it more than the original Bardock special.

[Kanassa]

It's still a sacrifice because the tournament reminded Zeno of the idea for killing and Goku still doesn't care trillions will die for his battle boner.

It's not a sacrifice, because Goku had no knowledge of there being a bad consequence. A sacrifice requires the person involved to have some idea of what their action's outcome.

Goku was upset at Vegeta killing Nappa, he cared greatly about Vegeta (who directly hasn't killed any of his friends yet) being on Namek while Gohan, Krillin, and Bulma were there, called out Vegeta for killing Burter and Recoome, tried to spare Ginyu, spared Freeza some energy out of pity, and told Mr. Satan not fuck with Cell.

Which doesn't go against what I said.

Yeah and then Cell kills everyone eventually. Only a non-warrior pussy would listen to Bulma's plan by taking the coward's way out.

Ah, so you're all for Goku reminding Zeno then? Since, only a non-Warrior pussy would take the cowards way out and try to stop this deadly tournament from happening. Also, what does taking the 'cowards' way out (Trying to avoid risking lives is the cowards way out now?) even add? That doesn't change that they were actively and knowingly risking the lives of the entire planet for the sake of a good fight.

The androids in the main timeline only caused so much troubled to begin with is becaused Trunks' interfering with the events of the main timeline changed things drastically than told (#16, 19, Dr. Gero turning himself into an android, #17 and #18 being a lot stronger) which they couldn't possibly anticipate. There is no guarantee people would end up dying needlessly like they did in the future.

It was pretty damn likely that people would end up dying, and again when lives are concerned it's best to take the safest route. But the Z-Fighters didn't. Because they wanted a good fight.