The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:34 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
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TheUltimateNinja wrote:Goku was capable of putting out a power level of nearly 1,000 against Raditz.
Yeah, but only for amped-up Ki attacks like the Kamehameha. His normal level is 416.
He can fight from a distance and use the Kamehameha to deal heavy damage.
Goku's Kamehameha in this scenario is just barely stronger than Freeza's regular power level, so Freeza would still hold a massive advantage.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:58 pm

DanielSSJ wrote:
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DanielSSJ wrote: Yeah, but only for amped-up Ki attacks like the Kamehameha. His normal level is 416.
He can fight from a distance and use the Kamehameha to deal heavy damage.
Goku's Kamehameha in this scenario is just barely stronger than Freeza's regular power level, so Freeza would still hold a massive advantage.
It would be ~145,000,000 which is considerably above Freeza.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:32 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
DanielSSJ wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: He can fight from a distance and use the Kamehameha to deal heavy damage.
Goku's Kamehameha in this scenario is just barely stronger than Freeza's regular power level, so Freeza would still hold a massive advantage.
It would be ~145,000,000 which is considerably above Freeza.
That would be slightly weaker than Freeza's fullpower.

Anyway, new battle.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:42 pm

Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
DanielSSJ wrote: Goku's Kamehameha in this scenario is just barely stronger than Freeza's regular power level, so Freeza would still hold a massive advantage.
It would be ~145,000,000 which is considerably above Freeza.
That would be slightly weaker than Freeza's fullpower.

Anyway, new battle.

Super Buu (SS3 Goku adsorbed) V Ultimate Gohan
Well, actually Frieza's full power is 120,000,000. 145,000,000 is higher than Frieza's. Frieza can probably dodge the kamehameha, although it's unlikely since he doesn't have a scouter like Raditz.

Anyway. I think Gohan would still be above Super Buu, considering that SSJ3 Goku was a lot weaker than SSJ3 Gotenks. Maybe Buu might have an advantage due to regeneration, but Gohan would still have the necessary power to defeat him, even though it's going to be a tougher fight.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:48 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
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TheUltimateNinja wrote: It would be ~145,000,000 which is considerably above Freeza.
That would be slightly weaker than Freeza's fullpower.

Anyway, new battle.

Super Buu (SS3 Goku adsorbed) V Ultimate Gohan
Well, actually Frieza's full power is 120,000,000. 145,000,000 is higher than Frieza's. Frieza can probably dodge the kamehameha, although it's unlikely since he doesn't have a scouter like Raditz.

Anyway. I think Gohan would still be above Super Buu, considering that SSJ3 Goku was a lot weaker than SSJ3 Gotenks. Maybe Buu might have an advantage due to regeneration, but Gohan would still have the necessary power to defeat him, even though it's going to be a tougher fight.
A power-level of 120M is just far to low for his performance against Goku on Namek, especially considering a 10% difference in strength enables you to crush your opponent. I'd put him around 149M or 147M.

Actually, wouldn't Buu have Goku's superior skill and moves?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by The gr » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:54 pm

Gog wrote:
A power-level of 120M is just far to low for his performance against Goku on Namek, especially considering a 10% difference in strength enables you to crush your opponent. I'd put him around 149M or 147M.
unless your using the anime right here, because the figth in the manga didn't lasted that long so I would his 100,% at 130M or around in 140M,I don't see him that close to Super Saiyan Goku
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        Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

        Post by Gog » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:05 pm

        The gr wrote:
        Gog wrote:
        A power-level of 120M is just far to low for his performance against Goku on Namek, especially considering a 10% difference in strength enables you to crush your opponent. I'd put him around 149M or 147M.
        unless your using the anime right here, because the figth in the manga didn't lasted that long so I would his 100,% at 130M or around in 140M,I don't see him that close to Super Saiyan Goku
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              What do you mean? The fight lasted for 2 minutes, all the while Freeza's power was continually dropping, and not once was he out matched against SSJ Goku, until after he sped off after Poruanga. 149M or 148M is most likely where Freeza resides power wise.

              Ultimate Gohan defeats SS3 Gotenks easily, as he is not only stronger, but more skilled.

              Krillin crushes Recome with sheer power and skill.

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              Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

              Post by The gr » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:27 pm

              Gog wrote:
              The gr wrote:
              Gog wrote:
              A power-level of 120M is just far to low for his performance against Goku on Namek, especially considering a 10% difference in strength enables you to crush your opponent. I'd put him around 149M or 147M.
              unless your using the anime right here, because the figth in the manga didn't lasted that long so I would his 100,% at 130M or around in 140M,I don't see him that close to Super Saiyan Goku
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                    What do you mean? The fight lasted for 2 minutes, all the while Freeza's power was continually dropping, and not once was he out matched against SSJ Goku, until after he sped off after Poruanga. 149M or 148M is most likely where Freeza resides power wise.

                    Ultimate Gohan defeats SS3 Gotenks easily, as he is not only stronger, but more skilled.

                    Krillin crushes Recome with sheer power and skill.

                    Tien crushes Ginyu, with power and skill.
                    just re read the manga,now I remembered it perfectly, basically 100% frieza spear through a full power Kamehameha,by that I would at least put him at 149M
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                      Post by dragonball0900 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:02 pm

                      Gog wrote: A power-level of 120M is just far to low for his performance against Goku on Namek, especially considering a 10% difference in strength enables you to crush your opponent. I'd put him around 149M or 147M.

                      Actually, wouldn't Buu have Goku's superior skill and moves?
                      In the manga, the difference was higher. Goku wasn't even trying against Frieza. Goku even said he was dissapointed by him. If Goku tried it a bit more, the battle would have gone more like Vegeta vs Monster Zarbon (first fight), since that also has a 1.25 of difference like the Frieza battle.

                      Well, I do believe Gohan is still superior in power. But the battle would be tougher for him. It could go any way to be honest, but I just think Gohan takes this after a long fight.

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                      Post by ryan1227 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:18 pm

                      What indicates that Goku wasn't trying against Freeza? And Goku never said that he was disappointed with Freeza, he quit fighting because Freeza's power had dropped too low for Goku to see a point in continuing.

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                      Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

                      Post by Gog » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:22 pm

                      dragonball0900 wrote:
                      Gog wrote: A power-level of 120M is just far to low for his performance against Goku on Namek, especially considering a 10% difference in strength enables you to crush your opponent. I'd put him around 149M or 147M.

                      Actually, wouldn't Buu have Goku's superior skill and moves?
                      In the manga, the difference was higher. Goku wasn't even trying against Frieza. Goku even said he was dissapointed by him. If Goku tried it a bit more, the battle would have gone more like Vegeta vs Monster Zarbon (first fight), since that also has a 1.25 of difference like the Frieza battle.

                      Well, I do believe Gohan is still superior in power. But the battle would be tougher for him. It could go any way to be honest, but I just think Gohan takes this after a long fight.
                      Why wouldn't Goku have tried against Freeza? That makes no sense especially considering that the battle not only lasted for two minutes, but Freeza once out ran Goku to Porunga and was capable of standing up to his Kamehameha. Those feats would not be possible if Freeza had a 1.25 difference in strength between him and Goku.

                      Also Goku only stopped fighting against Freeza, when his power dropped too low and besides the point, Goku told him after his battle to polish your moves and fix your stamina issues. Absolutely no mention of strength.

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                      Post by TheUltimateNinja » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:47 am

                      The gr wrote:just re read the manga,now I remembered it perfectly, basically 100% frieza spear through a full power Kamehameha,by that I would at least put him at 149M
                        I got a good one, skinny basil no kicking vs lavenda no poison
                        Freeza didn't go through the Kamehameha at all, he moved to the side.

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                        Post by RehBeh » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:49 am

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                        But, I have my doubts who's stronger:

                        Super Janemba vs. Super Boo
                        Super Boo easily. Goku trade blows with Janemba(he lost of course), while with Boo he didn't even consider to try.
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                        Post by TheUltimateNinja » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:20 am

                        RehBeh wrote:
                        Noah wrote:


                        But, I have my doubts who's stronger:

                        Super Janemba vs. Super Boo
                        Super Boo easily. Goku trade blows with Janemba(he lost of course), while with Boo he didn't even consider to try.
                        Movie Goku is stronger than Buuhan.

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                        TheUltimateNinja wrote:
                        RehBeh wrote:
                        Noah wrote:


                        But, I have my doubts who's stronger:

                        Super Janemba vs. Super Boo
                        Super Boo easily. Goku trade blows with Janemba(he lost of course), while with Boo he didn't even consider to try.
                        Movie Goku is stronger than Buuhan.
                        What?
                        GT wasn't that bad
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                        ekrolo2 wrote: He is, its just that no one holds him in high esteem, even in-universe.
                        He must feel awful. Being a God and no one respects him. Just sad.
                        And Zamasu thought he had it bad. Fuckin' edgy Kaios thinking about "Justice" and shit just because they got strong by chance.

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                        RehBeh wrote:
                        TheUltimateNinja wrote:
                        RehBeh wrote:
                        Super Boo easily. Goku trade blows with Janemba(he lost of course), while with Boo he didn't even consider to try.
                        Movie Goku is stronger than Buuhan.
                        What?
                        In both the anime and the movies, SSJ3 Goku => Kid Buu > Buuhan

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                        Post by apex_pretador » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:21 am

                        TheUltimateNinja wrote:Kaioken x15,000,000 Kid Goku vs Namek Freeza
                        Goku explodes from the kaioken so hard that the entire solar system is annihilated alongwith the explosion, leaving freeza knocked out clean, with his tail gone, and severe burns on his skin. However, Freeza being freeza, he survives this and takes the win.
                        Gog wrote: Anyway, new battle.

                        Super Buu (SS3 Goku adsorbed) V Ultimate Gohan
                        Super buu actually turns out to be more powerful than gohan, along with better skill, smarts, regeneration etc.
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                        Post by RehBeh » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:57 am

                        apex_pretador wrote:
                        TheUltimateNinja wrote:Kaioken x15,000,000 Kid Goku vs Namek Freeza
                        Goku explodes from the kaioken so hard that the entire solar system is annihilated alongwith the explosion, leaving freeza knocked out clean, with his tail gone, and severe burns on his skin. However, Freeza being freeza, he survives this
                        I think you overestimate Freeza here.
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                        ekrolo2 wrote: He is, its just that no one holds him in high esteem, even in-universe.
                        He must feel awful. Being a God and no one respects him. Just sad.
                        And Zamasu thought he had it bad. Fuckin' edgy Kaios thinking about "Justice" and shit just because they got strong by chance.

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                        Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

                        Post by RehBeh » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:59 am

                        TheUltimateNinja wrote:
                        RehBeh wrote:
                        TheUltimateNinja wrote: Movie Goku is stronger than Buuhan.
                        What?
                        In both the anime and the movies, SSJ3 Goku => Kid Buu > Buuhan
                        That's just a contradiction in the manga, the source material. In fact it's the only one where fans use it as evidence, while any other they quickly dismiss it.
                        GT wasn't that bad
                        DBZ Macky wrote:
                        RehBeh wrote:
                        ekrolo2 wrote: He is, its just that no one holds him in high esteem, even in-universe.
                        He must feel awful. Being a God and no one respects him. Just sad.
                        And Zamasu thought he had it bad. Fuckin' edgy Kaios thinking about "Justice" and shit just because they got strong by chance.

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                        Post by pacz360 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:01 am

                        TheUltimateNinja wrote:
                        RehBeh wrote:
                        TheUltimateNinja wrote: Movie Goku is stronger than Buuhan.
                        What?
                        In both the anime and the movies, SSJ3 Goku => Kid Buu > Buuhan
                        Bs goku was getting stomped by buutenks and buuhan in the anime no way in hell he's stronger than buuhan.

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