Unpopular DB opinions

[Gog]

I like it the fact that Monaka is a weakling.

but don't you think that the show lacks a strong main character beside Goku and Vegeta ? , especially since monaka's personality is unique .

Beerus, and Whis are still strong main characters, in fact they're too strong.

[ABED]

I wouldn't have minded it so much if GT actually did something with it other than to shamelessly piggyback on nostalgia for OG Dragon Ball.

They put him in a kid's body to put a limit on him. Because he's in a kid's body, he doesn't have the same strength or endurance. It's not about nostalgia. That's not conjecture. Toei explicitly stated that.

[Noah]

I'm probably not the only one that likes Star Wars references in GT, I wonder if some of them were Toriyama idea since he's a big fan too.

[Hyena_Yamcha]

I like it the fact that Monaka is a weakling.

but don't you think that the show lacks a strong main character beside Goku and Vegeta ? , especially since monaka's personality is unique .

Beerus, and Whis are still strong main characters, in fact they're too strong.

yeah i know but they aren't z-fighters if you know what i mean , they are gods , there is no guarantee that they will always help .

beside don't you think it would'v been cool if someone with that appearance can keep up with Beers ? , i think many fans do .

[Cipher]

I wonder what would happen if Giru peeped at Pan.

I swear he did at one point... Or was that Trunks/Random-side-character?

Nothing like that ever happened, and also Pan is ten.

[rereboy]

I wouldn't have minded it so much if GT actually did something with it other than to shamelessly piggyback on nostalgia for OG Dragon Ball.

They put him in a kid's body to put a limit on him. Because he's in a kid's body, he doesn't have the same strength or endurance. It's not about nostalgia. That's not conjecture. Toei explicitly stated that.

One does not exclude the other and they could have just had opponents for Goku who were stronger or that have troublesome abilities instead of making him weaker. The main point was to play on nostalgia. This is clear even in how certain eps in the first arc mimic DB's early adventures.

[DBZAOTA482]

I wonder what would happen if Giru peeped at Pan.

I swear he did at one point... Or was that Trunks/Random-side-character?

Nothing like that ever happened, and also Pan is ten.

That "Otaku" guy almost saw her bare chest and she was often sexualized by the animators.

[ABED]

I wouldn't have minded it so much if GT actually did something with it other than to shamelessly piggyback on nostalgia for OG Dragon Ball.

They put him in a kid's body to put a limit on him. Because he's in a kid's body, he doesn't have the same strength or endurance. It's not about nostalgia. That's not conjecture. Toei explicitly stated that.

One does not exclude the other and they could have just had opponents for Goku who were stronger or that have troublesome abilities instead of making him weaker. The main point was to play on nostalgia. This is clear even in how certain eps in the first arc mimic DB's early adventures.

That's pure assumption. "They could've..." Let's stop playing in hypotheticals. He was put in his younger body and all you have is an assumption, which may be true, but it's still just conjecture. Goku stayed in his younger body for the run of the show, not just for the first few episodes. I prefer they put a limit on Goku instead of just saying he was stronger. Cell is stronger than Freeza but what did he do (not say or imply, but actually do) that demonstrates he is stronger than Freeza. The scale of the battles is the same after a certain point.

[rereboy]

That's pure assumption. "They could've..." Let's stop playing in hypotheticals.

I don't even know what you are talking about. As creators of the show, they could do WHATEVER they wanted. They had full control over the story. That's not hypothetical, it's a fact.

He was put in his younger body and all you have is an assumption, which may not be true, but it's still just conjecture.

So, the episode that basically copied the first encounter with Oolong is just a coincidence, not playing at nostalgia at all...?

I'm not saying that all of GT was just about nostalgia, but Goku becoming a child was clearly mainly about that and, look, if you want to disagree that's fine, but to just summarily dismiss others like they were basically making stuff up when it's more than clear that there's a point to what they are saying (even if you don't fully agree) is just ridiculous. Have fun with that.

[ABED]

I don't even know what you are talking about. As creators of the show, they could do WHATEVER they wanted. They had full control over the story. That's not hypothetical, it's a fact.

They could've but they didn't. That doesn't make what they did wrong because they went in a different direction than where you thought they should. What they did still falls under "Whatever they wanted". Judge what did happen, not based on what you think they should've done. That's what I mean be not playing with hypotheticals. All your ideas of what they could've done are just vague ideas and ideas are easy. It's all about execution. I for one like putting limits on the characters when the scale of the characters' strength gets so over the top that it's difficult to convey the scale.

There were clearly nostalgic elements, such as the Oolong parallel, but they also gave explicit reasons why Goku was made younger. Anything else would be speculation. I didn't dismiss anything you wrote. I didn't say you're wrong. I said it's conjecture, which is fair. What I'm tired of is people not having actual facts and passing things off as "clearly that's what they were going for, there is no other reasonable explanation" especially in light of statements from the producers.

[floofychan333]

The 2nd and 3rd Broly movies are way better than the 1st one.

I 100% think that Bio-Broly was the best of the 3, but in what way do you hold the second movie in higher regard than the first?

I was so hyped for the 1st and just disappointed by it. I thought there was a reason Broly was so popular, but his despicable acts just seemed stupid to me rather than truly emotion-evoking like when Freeza or King Piccolo does bad stuff. Also, the fight dragged on for way too long. Some good things, however, were the opening scene and the Japanese score.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Also, the fight dragged on for way too long.

Is this an unpopular opinion? I think that's an unpopular opinion, so I'm gonna go ahead and steal that from you.

The fight from Broly I dragged on for far too long. One of the movie fights I dread getting to most of all.

[Kanassa]

Also, the fight dragged on for way too long.

Is this an unpopular opinion? I think that's an unpopular opinion, so I'm gonna go ahead and steal that from you.

The fight from Broly I dragged on for far too long. One of the movie fights I dread getting to most of all.

Yeah, the movie fights worked better when there were multiple combatants on either side.

I'd also say that the Bojack fight in the next movie is basically a reverse of the Broly fight, considering that any help Gohan gets is swiftly taken out only two seconds later.

[ABED]

The 2nd and 3rd Broly movies are way better than the 1st one.

I 100% think that Bio-Broly was the best of the 3, but in what way do you hold the second movie in higher regard than the first?

I was so hyped for the 1st and just disappointed by it. I thought there was a reason Broly was so popular, but his despicable acts just seemed stupid to me rather than truly emotion-evoking like when Freeza or King Piccolo does bad stuff. Also, the fight dragged on for way too long. Some good things, however, were the opening scene and the Japanese score.

It's basically a squash match that goes on WAY too long.

[Gog]

I prefer Chris Ayers Freeza voice to Ryūsei Nakao. Don't get me wrong Ryūsei Nakao is fantastic but I just prefer Chris Ayers.

[Bajosexto]

I prefer Chris Ayers Freeza voice to Ryūsei Nakao. Don't get me wrong Ryūsei Nakao is fantastic but I just prefer Chris Ayers.

I really don't like Chris Ayers Freeza voice. Not saying that he's a bad Freeza. I just don't like how's his Freeza voice sounds. He is definitely much better than Linda Young but honestly their voices sound very similar to me. Ayers does capture Freeza's personally. I'm just not use too a very high pitched Freeza.

[Bansho64]

I really don't like Chris Ayers Freeza voice. Not saying that he's a bad Freeza. I just don't like how's his Freeza voice sounds. He is definitely much better than Linda Young but honestly their voices sound very similar to me. Ayers does capture Freeza's personally. I'm just not use too a very high pitched Freeza.

I can understand you having problems with the voice. Some character's voices just don't sound right or appeal to everyone. Though, I did kinda grow up with Ayer's Freeza, so I love it a lot. It's the first one I heard.

Also, you mentioned that you don't like a high pitched Freeza. Which one are you most familiar with?

[Bajosexto]

I really don't like Chris Ayers Freeza voice. Not saying that he's a bad Freeza. I just don't like how's his Freeza voice sounds. He is definitely much better than Linda Young but honestly their voices sound very similar to me. Ayers does capture Freeza's personally. I'm just not use too a very high pitched Freeza.

I can understand you having problems with the voice. Some character's voices just don't sound right or appeal to everyone. Though, I did kinda grow up with Ayer's Freeza, so I love it a lot. It's the first one I heard.

Also, you mentioned that you don't like a high pitched Freeza. Which one are you most familiar with?

I grew up with Gerardo Reyero's Freeza. Freeza's VA in the Latin American dub. Although his voice isn't really deep in real life, usually his characters sound very deep. But he does sound sorta high pitched when he voices Freeza. Though not as much as Nakao and definitely not as high pitched as Linda and Chris. I do like Nakao's high pitched Freeza voice. But Chris and Linda are just way too high pitched for my tastes. I guess this is how some fans feel about Nosawa's Goku.

Like you said, some voices just don't sound right to us. We have a certain voice associated with a character. And when we hear a different version of that character is just not the same. Just yesterday, I saw episode 1 of the Latin American dub of Dragon Ball for the first time and I didn't like it. So long story short, about 4 weeks ago I decided that it was finally time for me to watch Dragon Ball. I decided to watch it in Japanese because I really have no nostalgia for the Latin dub of DB, even thought I grew up with the Latin American dub of Z. And I've also really grown to like the Japanese version because of Super. Currently I'm about 80 episodes in. I guess you could say that I "grew up" with the Japanese version of Dragon Ball. I really thought that once I heard the Latin dub DB I would instantly like it. After all I did grew up with Z in Spanish(I've seen it like ten times from beginning to end). But after 80+ episodes of DB in Japanese the LatAm voice of kid Goku is just not kid Goku to me. It's weird, to me Nosawa is kid Goku but Mario Castañeda(Goku's LatAm VA) is still Goku to me.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I prefer Chris Ayers Freeza voice to Ryūsei Nakao. Don't get me wrong Ryūsei Nakao is fantastic but I just prefer Chris Ayers.

They're on an even playing field for me when on form like the Freeza movie, I have seen that movie countless times in JPN and ENG and still can't decide who's performance was better!

[8000 Saiyan]

I prefer Chris Ayers Freeza voice to Ryūsei Nakao. Don't get me wrong Ryūsei Nakao is fantastic but I just prefer Chris Ayers.

They're on an even playing field for me when on form like the Freeza movie, I have seen that movie countless times in JPN and ENG and still can't decide who's performance was better!

Eh, IMO Nakao is better in Japanese Z, while Ayres is better in Kai.