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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:59 pm

I have no problems with low tier characters being able to stand a chance (in any way) againts high tier characters.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:17 pm

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SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:I dont know if anyone brought this up yet, but I'm not too keen on how Super changed most of the sound effects from what the original show had. Especially the pitch of the Kamehameha charge up sound.
Not quite unpopular either, I hate that they changed Arai Hidenori's SFX to new ones, it just feels off and lacks impact. I don't know why they kept in XENOVERSE but couldn't kept in Super :problem:
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Well, from this video - the Super Effects don't really sound too bad with old Z footage. It kind of gives that remastered feeling to it. Though with Super looking AND sounding different make harder for us to feel that this is a continuation of Z. It Super basically is pretty much a different show.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Noah » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:51 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:Super looking AND sounding different make harder for us to feel that this is a continuation of Z.
My thoughts exactly, GT was a sequel too and kept the iconic SFX, Super should have followed the same route, it would make more appealing for old fans IMO.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:04 pm

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SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:Super looking AND sounding different make harder for us to feel that this is a continuation of Z.
My thoughts exactly, GT was a sequel too and kept the iconic SFX, Super should have followed the same route, it would make more appealing for old fans IMO.
Or ditch them and make the new one's better. Honestly, they should've gone further with regards to making the style more unique from the old stuff, it would've helped differentiate it visually and audio wise that wasn't "it looks like the Boo arc, except considerably shittier!".
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Boo Machine » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:10 pm

I don't know how little time ago these might have been mentioned here, but

I actually thought the space travel from planet to planet in GT was enjoyable. They may not be the most exciting things ever but I never really had much problem sitting through them.

I also don't find pan to be annoying or adult Trunks to be uncool. Dub or Sub. I thought they were both ok. For the most part anyway.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:14 pm

Boo Machine wrote:I don't know how little time ago these might have been mentioned here, but

I actually thought the space travel from planet to planet in GT was enjoyable. They may not be the most exciting things ever but I never really had much problem sitting through them.

I also don't find pan to be annoying or adult Trunks to be uncool. Dub or Sub. I thought they were both ok. For the most part anyway.
Same, I just wish that GT has taken the exploration further. You can feel a pretty obvious priority shift after a certain point in that arc, so I have a hard time believing that the GT we got was the GT that was initially planned.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:44 am

Noah wrote:
SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:Super looking AND sounding different make harder for us to feel that this is a continuation of Z.
My thoughts exactly, GT was a sequel too and kept the iconic SFX, Super should have followed the same route, it would make more appealing for old fans IMO.
I don't understand why the SFX chap not having time for the series means they can't use his old stuff? Don't understand the reasoning.
Kind of surprising how something minor like SFX can make such a difference for example the old aura sound to the new one is night & day.

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Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:26 am

The producers' decision I guess. They don't want to reuse old SFX and want to go with something new. Or maybe they don't have the rights.

They could've also reused the Kikuchi score which would've been awesome, but nope. They want to go with something new and "modern".

As much as I hate that they have replaced 2 of the 3 things that made the franchise iconic, I can see the reasoning behind it.
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Post by TheMikado » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:33 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Boo Machine wrote:I don't know how little time ago these might have been mentioned here, but

I actually thought the space travel from planet to planet in GT was enjoyable. They may not be the most exciting things ever but I never really had much problem sitting through them.

I also don't find pan to be annoying or adult Trunks to be uncool. Dub or Sub. I thought they were both ok. For the most part anyway.
Same, I just wish that GT has taken the exploration further. You can feel a pretty obvious priority shift after a certain point in that arc, so I have a hard time believing that the GT we got was the GT that was initially planned.
It wasn't, the adventure aspect was poorly received by fans of DBZ who may not have been familiar with Dragonball's adventure origins. Or plan just wanted it to be more like Z.

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Post by ABED » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:57 am

It wasn't, the adventure aspect was poorly received by fans of DBZ who may not have been familiar with Dragonball's adventure origins. Or plan just wanted it to be more like Z.
How fast is the turnaround from the writing to airing of the episodes? I have a hard time believing that's the reason they changed from planet hopping to Luud and Baby based on audience feedback. They had to have been deep into production before any episodes ever aired.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:42 pm

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Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Boo Machine wrote:I don't know how little time ago these might have been mentioned here, but

I actually thought the space travel from planet to planet in GT was enjoyable. They may not be the most exciting things ever but I never really had much problem sitting through them.

I also don't find pan to be annoying or adult Trunks to be uncool. Dub or Sub. I thought they were both ok. For the most part anyway.
Same, I just wish that GT has taken the exploration further. You can feel a pretty obvious priority shift after a certain point in that arc, so I have a hard time believing that the GT we got was the GT that was initially planned.
It wasn't, the adventure aspect was poorly received by fans of DBZ who may not have been familiar with Dragonball's adventure origins. Or plan just wanted it to be more like Z.
If there was a change, it had nothing to do with fan backlash. By the time the initial episodes of that arc done, GT would have just barely started airing. If the change had been so abrupt, we definitely would have seen greater problems with the episodes, so what you're suggesting is very unlikely.
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TheMikado wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Boo Machine wrote:I don't know how little time ago these might have been mentioned here, but

I actually thought the space travel from planet to planet in GT was enjoyable. They may not be the most exciting things ever but I never really had much problem sitting through them.

I also don't find pan to be annoying or adult Trunks to be uncool. Dub or Sub. I thought they were both ok. For the most part anyway.
Same, I just wish that GT has taken the exploration further. You can feel a pretty obvious priority shift after a certain point in that arc, so I have a hard time believing that the GT we got was the GT that was initially planned.
It wasn't, the adventure aspect was poorly received by fans of DBZ who may not have been familiar with Dragonball's adventure origins. Or plan just wanted it to be more like Z.
They were poorly received in general... because it was simply a piss-weak attempt at recapturing the nostalgia of OG Dragon Ball.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:44 pm

TheMikado wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Boo Machine wrote:I don't know how little time ago these might have been mentioned here, but

I actually thought the space travel from planet to planet in GT was enjoyable. They may not be the most exciting things ever but I never really had much problem sitting through them.

I also don't find pan to be annoying or adult Trunks to be uncool. Dub or Sub. I thought they were both ok. For the most part anyway.
Same, I just wish that GT has taken the exploration further. You can feel a pretty obvious priority shift after a certain point in that arc, so I have a hard time believing that the GT we got was the GT that was initially planned.
It wasn't, the adventure aspect was poorly received by fans of DBZ who may not have been familiar with Dragonball's adventure origins. Or plan just wanted it to be more like Z.
Yeah, I think its that Z fans wanted Z and didn't like Dragonball as much as they claim they do. What I think they should have done was stick with the Z format from the start, while keeping the adventure as a backdrop. I think the balance could have worked if they went from planet to planet, while fighting boss-like characters akin to the Kid Buu fight on the Kaioshin planet for that Z experience, rather than just helping villagers with trivial tasks.
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Post by ABED » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:59 pm

What's the Z format?
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Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Same, I just wish that GT has taken the exploration further. You can feel a pretty obvious priority shift after a certain point in that arc, so I have a hard time believing that the GT we got was the GT that was initially planned.
Me too, the best thing in DB franchise is world building, the universe seems to be immense. GT premise was really interesting, travelling to several planets searching for the Dragon Balls, meeting new races, enemies, along with good character moments, great fights and humour... Well, but sadly we got just a little of that.
Saikyo no Senshi wrote:The producers' decision I guess. They don't want to reuse old SFX and want to go with something new. Or maybe they don't have the rights.

They could've also reused the Kikuchi score which would've been awesome, but nope. They want to go with something new and "modern".

As much as I hate that they have replaced 2 of the 3 things that made the franchise iconic, I can see the reasoning behind it.
I don't know I feel like reusing the exact same Kikuchi score from 90's wouldn't be that good, as much as I love the guy I think they could at least new arranged/remixed like these ones to be more "fresh" for a new series.

But better than this just call the guy to be the music composer of the series again! It would be awesome for him to do new tracks :D
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Post by ABED » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:47 pm

I don't care that much about world building over and above what's necessary to tell the story. I like a little to give a sense of history, but not much else. For instance, I always love that line in Star Wars, "You fought in the Clone Wars?" It's not explained what the Clone Wars are. It's taken as a given like the way we discuss Vietnam or The Gulf War.
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Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Same, I just wish that GT has taken the exploration further. You can feel a pretty obvious priority shift after a certain point in that arc, so I have a hard time believing that the GT we got was the GT that was initially planned.
Me too, the best thing in DB franchise is world building, the universe seems to be immense. GT premise was really interesting, travelling to several planets searching for the Dragon Balls, meeting new races, enemies, along with good character moments, great fights and humour... Well, but sadly we got just a little of that.
Whenever I think of Dragonball Adventures in Space, all I can imagine is an animated and more ridiculous version of Red Dwarf. Just a bunch of idiots on a ship, with the galaxy taking pot shots at them each of the way, filled with only the most ridiculous threats to combat.

Now, that I think about it, Goku would probably LOVE the curry monster.
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Post by Draconic » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:20 pm

This might seem weird from a hardcore fan of the original version of Dragon Ball and pretty much a hater of the dub, but I don't have any problem with the Crunchyroll/Daisuki subs of Super using dub names. Sure, it sucks Funi changed them, but with the bulk of english speaking fans (especially native English speakers) being more familiar with the terms and names used in the dub, it's only fair to them to understand the series by the version they prefer/know.

Though I do hope Simmons is allowed to do his thing with the actual releases.

Not sure if it's really unpopular, especially since most people already got used to it, but there do seem to appear topics on the matter everytime the subs bring up something.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:22 pm

Draconic wrote:This might seem weird from a hardcore fan of the original version of Dragon Ball and pretty much a hater of the dub, but I don't have any problem with the Crunchyroll/Daisuki subs of Super using dub names. Sure, it sucks Funi changed them, but with the bulk of english speaking fans (especially native English speakers) being more familiar with the terms and names used in the dub, it's only fair to them to understand the series by the version they prefer/know.

Though I do hope Simmons is allowed to do his thing with the actual releases.

Not sure if it's really unpopular, especially since most people already got used to it, but there do seem to appear topics on the matter everytime the subs bring up something.

King-Kai Fist was stupid as hell, though.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Nejishiki » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:05 pm

Well, the individuals who're using the official translation of Dragon Ball Super are away from their comfort zones if they weren't used to the original version before. Rhetorically speaking, does subscribing to altered terminology make one feel "closer to home" when the experience is already fundamentally foreign from their interpretation? You could argue, under those intentions, to preserve "dubtitles" in the other series, too. For the sake of consistency: in for a penny, in for a pound, as they say.

*I'm not really bothered by any of this.

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