Most of the corrections are either unnecessary or hardly even noticeable, meanwhile the episodes that require genuine correction like some Kitano and Yashima episodes are left untouched. Why did they make such selective corrections in episodes that looked fine already?
To correct poorly animated moments would take effort tho.
The corrections here are just to show us that Toei care's enough about Super to do corrections, but at the same time make it for them that they don't have to waste time/money doing actual corrections.
Most of the corrections are either unnecessary or hardly even noticeable, meanwhile the episodes that require genuine correction like some Kitano and Yashima episodes are left untouched. Why did they make such selective corrections in episodes that looked fine already?
They never touch Kitano or Yashima's episode, probably because it would take too much time to correct them.
Episode 7 is the only Kitano's episode which receives corrections, and it was just for 3 Dende's shots.
Honestly, i just think that Morio Hatano wanted to finish his episodes like he wanted to do, and then he left the series. Remind that episode 66 got production issues!
Most of the corrections are either unnecessary or hardly even noticeable, meanwhile the episodes that require genuine correction like some Kitano and Yashima episodes are left untouched. Why did they make such selective corrections in episodes that looked fine already?
They never touch Kitano or Yashima's episode, probably because it would take too much time to correct them.
Episode 7 is the only Kitano's episode which receives corrections, and it was just for 3 Dende's shots.
Honestly, i just think that Morio Hatano wanted to finish his episodes like he wanted to do, and then he left the series. Remind that episode 66 got production issues!
What do you mean by production issues? I had no idea 66 got problems.
Shreyas_Singh wrote:
Most of the corrections are either unnecessary or hardly even noticeable, meanwhile the episodes that require genuine correction like some Kitano and Yashima episodes are left untouched. Why did they make such selective corrections in episodes that looked fine already?
They never touch Kitano or Yashima's episode, probably because it would take too much time to correct them.
Episode 7 is the only Kitano's episode which receives corrections, and it was just for 3 Dende's shots.
Honestly, i just think that Morio Hatano wanted to finish his episodes like he wanted to do, and then he left the series. Remind that episode 66 got production issues!
What do you mean by production issues? I had no idea 66 got problems.
Well, don't you remember? Crunchyroll delayed episode 66's simulcast because of production issue. Ajay tweeted about it.
SaiyanGod117 wrote:I remember when Beerus vs the Alien use to be the best fight in Super.
I also remember when people were saying that super would have bad animation before the episode came out because of the preview showing that fight. Little did we know.
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Key Animators
Naoki Tate
Kenji Miuma
Yong-ce Tu
Shūichirō Manabe
Shuntaro Mura
TAP
2nd Key Animators
Osamu Ishikawa
Miyuki Yokoyama
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What a nutty episode! I'll have a few rewatches to let it sink in, but right now, that definitely feels like Tate's best episode. So good!
The first half did have a decent bit of Tate, but it seemed to be where TAP's focus was, I think. Great planning to have them focus on that while Tate goes wild in the second half. Even then, I'm not convinced their involvement was substantial.
Very interesting key animator list. Seems like Manabe did the Minotaur bit, but was heavily corrected by Tsuji. Miuma did the tanks blowing up after Tate's little actiony bit, I think. The smoke matches what we presumed to be him in #66.
There was a loop frame scene where they exchange fists while falling head first into the sea which looked similar to Ryo Onishii's cut in #14. Also, not only was the episode saved by Tate's animation, this time the backgrounds were rich too.
Super has been a roll with these fight scenes. Tate did a wonderful job with the second half of the episode and 17/Goku fight was fantastically fluid and and on model.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
SSJ Goku V 17 Tate was kinda iffy for me, but SSJB V Tate was good in a way, but I dont know, I didnt really feel anything special from his cuts.... guess his style really doesnt fit my eyes.
Yea, his character art can be jarring for some people. However I would advise to not care about it that much while it's in motion, just enjoy the impact,facial expression, smears etc. You will like him a lot more if you give it that approach, I promise
SansrivaaL wrote: I didnt really feel anything special from his cuts.... guess his style really doesnt fit my eyes.
Makes it two. I also don't love it. Hopefully we won't anything as ugly as his part in episode 72 again. 67 episodes later and that episode gave me episode 5 vibes...
I don't know, Tate is just a wildcard and his style is definitely not for everyone. I don't ride that train and I would never let him be the character designer of this franchise.
I will give my full thoughts when I see the entire episode though. Overall, seems to have been good.
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A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.
Favourite old DB Animators: Masaki Sato and Tadayoshi Yamamuro
Favourite new DB Animators: Yuya Takahashi and Chikashi Kubota
I really want to know how Noel Añonuevo's style looks, we have seen him for a while supervising Super episodes, I think we have another Añonuevo too if I'm correct.
This episode was really well-animated! One of the best in the arc so far.
I really like the glow effects on the SSJ and SSJB auras.
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Maybe it's just because of the setting, but it's really premium. It feels movie-like.
Just gonna leave this here.
Fair play to Tsuji, actually. I was initially miffed by her corrections, but watching this through, they're super subtle during all the action. She really let Tate shine. Major respect.
Fair play to Tsuji, actually. I was initially miffed her corrections, but watching this through, they're super subtle during all the action. She really let Tate shine. Major respect.
Good God. That was amazing. The background art for that fight was absolutely wonderful. I'm struggling to think how Tate will top that. It's just so... free-flowing and dynamic. It think this may be Super's best cut of animation yet.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
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