Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by kinisking » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:59 pm

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I don't know if he would be a good character designer for an anime. They'd look good, but I'm pretty sure they're way too detailed and wouldn't be very animation friendly.
With the right amount of planning and animators, it can certainly work.
It definitely could, but with supers schedule I don't know about that. On the other hand, he might make his character designs simpler than his usual art.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:00 pm

Let's be real Yamamuro isn't going anywhere. A interesting thing I noted that someone pointed out, iirc it was Osama on Twitter a while ago that even if Yamamuro were to be replaced, the new CD would be asked to replicate his designs in order to keep it in familiar territory. If that's the case and I definitely think it could be, even if Yamamuro left nothing much would change.

As Ajay said in his Yamamuro video, he is as much of a part of Dragon Ball as Toriyama and we'll have to live with that.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by The gr » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:02 pm

Saikyo no Senshi wrote:Let's be real Yamamuro isn't going anywhere. A interesting thing I noted that someone pointed out, iirc it was Osama on Twitter a while ago that even if Yamamuro were to be replaced, the new CD would be asked to replicate his designs in order to keep it in familiar territory. If that's the case and I definitely think it could be even if Yamamuro left nothing much would change.

As Ajay said in his Yamamuro video, he is as much of a part of Dragon Ball as Toriyama and we'll have to live with that.
As much I'm not fan of that guy recently,we have to live with it,he is a big figure in toei,so is unwise to fire him, and he did produce some great moments in z
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:04 pm

Saikyo no Senshi wrote:Let's be real Yamamuro isn't going anywhere. A interesting thing I noted that someone pointed out, iirc it was Osama on Twitter a while ago that even if Yamamuro were to be replaced, the new CD would be asked to replicate his designs in order to keep it in familiar territory. If that's the case and I definitely think it could be even if Yamamuro left nothing much would change.

As Ajay said in his Yamamuro video, he is as much of a part of Dragon Ball as Toriyama and we'll have to live with that.
On the other side of that coin, Yamamuro has been changing his approach to... well... everything. His character designs, his supervision, and I assume his general approach to drawing seems to have taken a slight turn for the better in his recent work.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by Sodhi » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:06 pm

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I'd certainly like the designs to be based off of his, but I doubt he has the know-how to provide consistently animation-friendly designs.
His current art style is very animator friendly.If he keeps this style he would be a good CD. I can't believe we have a CD that makes the designs worst. :(

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by Sodhi » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:19 pm

The gr wrote: I think toriyama design don't look so good when you animate them, Have you seen botamo and hit design,is would look better if you adapted to a manga
I thought they were simple for animators. Also sorry for double post. Phone makes this so much harder than PC

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:10 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Saikyo no Senshi wrote:Let's be real Yamamuro isn't going anywhere. A interesting thing I noted that someone pointed out, iirc it was Osama on Twitter a while ago that even if Yamamuro were to be replaced, the new CD would be asked to replicate his designs in order to keep it in familiar territory. If that's the case and I definitely think it could be even if Yamamuro left nothing much would change.

As Ajay said in his Yamamuro video, he is as much of a part of Dragon Ball as Toriyama and we'll have to live with that.
On the other side of that coin, Yamamuro has been changing his approach to... well... everything. His character designs, his supervision, and I assume his general approach to drawing seems to have taken a slight turn for the better in his recent work.
I do hope he AD's or at least provides some key animation in the ToP, this sort of arc needs all hands on deck and they have a capable guy who can do good work, as you have noted his Trunks special supervising and the new ED, right there.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by ArchedThunder » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:42 pm

Saikyo no Senshi wrote:Let's be real Yamamuro isn't going anywhere. A interesting thing I noted that someone pointed out, iirc it was Osama on Twitter a while ago that even if Yamamuro were to be replaced, the new CD would be asked to replicate his designs in order to keep it in familiar territory. If that's the case and I definitely think it could be, even if Yamamuro left nothing much would change.

As Ajay said in his Yamamuro video, he is as much of a part of Dragon Ball as Toriyama and we'll have to live with that.
A new character designer could keep things familiar and still make the designs more animator friendly.
At least Yamamuro is improving, I hope he continues to improve and at some point is given the chance to do new design sheets for the cast.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by Ajay » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:45 pm

cuartas wrote:do you get my point? I'm sure you don't.
This is unacceptable.
cuartas wrote:On the other Hand:
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Do you remember how the people here was bashing yamamuro because he uses the same pose in the kamehameha? welp seems like people stay quiet when we see the same flying/falling/stand positions from other guys.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by ArchedThunder » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:37 pm

In all likelihood Yamamuro will be the face of Dragon Ball for the next 15-20 years. One thing I've been wondering though is if the person who will end up being the next character designer for the franchise is someone currently working on Super or if they will be someone who will come to the franchise later. It's fun to think about.
Of course, this is assuming Dragon Ball is still a thing in 20 years.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by BakaManiaHD » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:48 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:In all likelihood Yamamuro will be the face of Dragon Ball for the next 15-20 years. One thing I've been wondering though is if the person who will end up being the next character designer for the franchise is someone currently working on Super or if they will be someone who will come to the franchise later. It's fun to think about.
Of course, this is assuming Dragon Ball is still a thing in 20 years.
Could Dragon Ball be a thing without Masako Nozawa? (except the manga)
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by ArchedThunder » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:59 pm

BakaManiaHD wrote: Could Dragon Ball be a thing without Masako Nozawa? (except the manga)
Not to sound cold, but they won't let the franchise die because VAs pass away.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by Gafonso6 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:02 pm

BakaManiaHD wrote: Could Dragon Ball be a thing without Masako Nozawa? (except the manga)
Yeah. Just make content without Goku.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by Mazingerdestro » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:10 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:In all likelihood Yamamuro will be the face of Dragon Ball for the next 15-20 years. One thing I've been wondering though is if the person who will end up being the next character designer for the franchise is someone currently working on Super or if they will be someone who will come to the franchise later. It's fun to think about.
Of course, this is assuming Dragon Ball is still a thing in 20 years.
Tsuji provided the vegetto character designs and her character looked very close to Yamamuro's work but younger. In case the CD changes in the future, the new guy will probably produce something similar to Yamamuro. We can't expect something similar to Pokemon where the designs and the whole approach totally changed. Of course dbz was different from db and now super is different from GT and Z so everything is possible. I doubt any animator (except maybe Tate and Kitano) have any issue drawing close to the character sheets and at the same time, each person adds his/her own unique characteristics that make every episode fresh. If schedule wasn't an issue, I doubt that this whole "Yamamuro's designs are not the best" would be a thing, since animators would have enough time to polish their work and provide consistency between episodes.
Also Yamamuro's art has changed since Kai, so we see that even he tries to evolve and create the most suitable style for the show. I still believe thst his approach (buu saga+current Toriyama) is the best choice for dbs
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by FortuneSSJ » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:22 pm

BakaManiaHD wrote: Could Dragon Ball be a thing without Masako Nozawa? (except the manga)
"The show must go on."

Disney didn't stop when the original voice actor for Mickey Mouse passed away.

As much as I love Nozawa work, the franchise shouldn't die with her. I'm not fan of that logic.

Just like Disney did with Mickey Mouse, Toei should find someone who can get close to Nozawa's registry.
She's already 80 years old and it's already surprising how well she's doing, but sooner or later they should start looking for and train her successor.

It won't be easy, but it can be done. The new voice actor will feel the weight on her shoulders when everyone starts doing comparisons, but that's how life is.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by Mazingerdestro » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:36 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:
BakaManiaHD wrote: Could Dragon Ball be a thing without Masako Nozawa? (except the manga)
"The show must go on."

Disney didn't stop when the original voice actor for Mickey Mouse passed away.

As much as I love Nozawa work, the franchise shouldn't die with her. I'm not fan of that logic.

Just like Disney did with Mickey Mouse, Toei should find someone who can get close to Nozawa's registry.
She's already 80 years old and it's already surprising how well she's doing, but sooner or later they should start looking for and train her successor.

It won't be easy, but it can be done. The new voice actor will feel the weight in her shoulders when everyone starts doing comparisons, but that's how life is.
Many anime productions that chose to change or had to change their VAs, decided to go with completely different voices and I think that would be ideal for Goku. Seek a young VA with his own unique voice to give it a try.

I have spoken with many VAs in my country that are officially voice acting for Disney and they are against the whole "find a person that sounds the same" idea that Disney asks. Especially with Donald. The reason I mention him is because his voice is produced through a filter instead of been some VA's actual voice
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by Ajay » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:38 pm

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by Nasryyy » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:55 pm

no seems to know what kenji muima did on episode 80 !!! any ideas ??

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Post by Ajay » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:12 pm

Nasryyy wrote:no seems to know what kenji muima did on episode 80 !!! any ideas ??
I've been wondering about this today, too.

Part of me wonders whether I've misidentified this scene.

Basing that entirely around the shapes in the impact frame on the Kamehameha though, alongside the effects shapes in the long shot after it.

I don't really know, though. The first few seconds of that cut were reused earlier in the episode and were tied to some stuff that's definitely Higashide.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 86

Post by Sodhi » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:52 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:In all likelihood Yamamuro will be the face of Dragon Ball for the next 15-20 years. One thing I've been wondering though is if the person who will end up being the next character designer for the franchise is someone currently working on Super or if they will be someone who will come to the franchise later. It's fun to think about.
Of course, this is assuming Dragon Ball is still a thing in 20 years.
I think it will be someone from Super, but not Shimanuki, Tate., Ide, Shida, Yashima etc. Most of these people will be in their 70's and some 80's. It will be someone new who has worked in Super. Maybe Karasawa, I don't know how old he is now.

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