Broly, stronger than Perfect Cell?

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Post by Drunken Master » Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:18 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:
Drunken Master wrote:I just got back form China King, and guess what I got in my fortune cookie...

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Dude, that's creepy. I'm not shitting you when I say that's the exact same message I got in my fortune cookie when I ate Chinese last night. I've still got it, so I could scan it if you want...

Maybe it's God/Luck's little message saying that maybe we should lock the topic now.

But if anyone were to be punched, they do not disintegrate. They're still there. That means that they are not destroyed.
Haha, dude...that is very odd. Pretty funny as well.

Okay, galaxy crap aside, since that's obviously not working...

If SP Cell said he had enough ki to blow up the solar system, then that would mean SSj2 Gohan would be able to do that, correct? Okay, so now we have that SSj2 Gohan can blow up the solar system. Does that mean Broly is stronger than SSj2 Gohan because he can blow up galaxy? That's not a strong debate, you need a lot more than Broly can do this, while Cell can do that. SSj2 Gohan is stronger than Broly. The fact is that Broly was beaten, and impaled by SSj Goku. He had recieved energy from his very weakened, fallen allies. SSj Goku was beaten and weak, then he got the remaining energy from his fallen allies. That beat Broly. SP Cell was beating a weakened SSj2, and finally got killed when he released all his energy. I would think a weaker SSj2 would be stronger than a weaker SSj with others energy. Vegeta, Trunks and co. couldn't even stand, let alone hold a SSj form. See what I mean? It took much more to kill Cell. That, to me says Cell was stronger. Broly was beaten by two (or three) SSjs as well. So, how is this a debate?
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Post by Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece » Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:43 pm

It's not really much of a debate anymore as much as it is Phenomenal lying to himself as he slowly cuts himself and cries while listening to My Chemical Romance over Cell being stronger than Broli.

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Post by SatoSky » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:13 pm

Hey My Chemical Romance is a good band. Their first two CD's were really good, The Black Parade not so much but still enjoyable.

Thanks to Mike for sparking my interest in them when Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge came out.
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Post by Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:15 pm

I'm not saying that they're bad (hell, I listen to them some times), but they're not exactly the most "cheerful" characters. Or at least it looks that way.

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Post by SatoSky » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:17 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:I'm not saying that they're bad (hell, I listen to them some times), but they're not exactly the most "cheerful" characters. Or at least it looks that way.
Agreed, but it's just music.

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Post by Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:19 pm

True, and back to the topic at hand.

Does anyone that isn't Phenomenal have any objections? If so, please speak now.

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Post by Humpski » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:50 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:True, and back to the topic at hand.

Does anyone that isn't Phenomenal have any objections? If so, please speak now.
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Post by Phenomenol » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:54 pm

Godo wrote:Listen, Phenomenol.

You suck at debating.

You have no logical skills whatsoever.

You cannot think out of the frame.

Your knowledge about space and time lack big-time.

You haven´t yet been able to learn how to take a defeat.

You tell us to not think like rocket-scientists, yet you speak about "billions of planets" and about how it´s possible to destroy a galaxy being one single organism. That, my friend, is thinking like a rocket scientist.

What amuses me most though, is that of maybe 20 sentences I have written you have only replied to two or so.

You also answer only to posts that you can answer with the same sentences that you have used before. You have nothing new to back up your opinion.

At this rate, I can say that you are at the age of eight, and that would still be an insult to the eight years olds. My eight year old cousin can debate with more logic and he can take a defeat. Sigh.
So, do you think this post is going to change what was STATED and Shown in the movie? That was Broli destroying a Galaxy.....DEAL WITH IT.
Xyex wrote:And you convienently ignored the SSJ3 example yet again I see. Anyway, you're the one that doesn't understand. Yes, the galaxy is destroyed. No, Brolly didn't blow it all up in one blast in seconds.
See how this post contradicts the movie. The galaxy was SHOWN being vaporized in seconds and the dialouge supports this. You sir have nothing but specualation, AGAIN.
What? Ummm, no, it's far from speculation. It takes a total of six days to travel from the Earth to Namek. - Proven when Goku did it. It took Bulma 6 seconds to get from Earth to Jupiter. - Proven when Bulma did it. I think Brolly could manage to wipe out a couple thousand planets a month, at the least. - Proven by the above coupled with logic.
Show me where Broli destroys the galaxy from a ship? The Burden of Proof is on you.
You're either completely missing the point to why we bring this up or are just ignoring it. Go take a bunch of milk jugs and set them up randomly inside a five foot wide circle. Set off a grenade in that circle. Do any of the milk jugs survive the explosion? No. Planets surviving a galaxy destroying explosion is the same thing as that. Impossible.
Few billion stars and planets > five milk juggs, terrible analogy.
Yep, where it shows a visual representation of how Brolly has, over the last several years, laid utter waste to the galaxy during his travels from planet to planet.
Wrong, then Kai would have said that Broli was ATTACKING the galaxy and the Galaxy would not have vanished so quickly! Deal with it.
You can stop pulling this out of your ass. It's utterly absurd. If it takes only a few days to travel from Earth to New Vegeta then Brolly could visit nearly every planet in the galaxy with in the span of a decade or so.
The Episode doesn't show Broli in a ship traveling from planet to planet. You contradict the movie and failed to prove this...AGAIN.
See, now that you've been proven wrong you're trying to change the meaning of what you said. You said that Brolly was weaker than Cell but that doesn't mean he can't destroy a galaxy even though Cell can't. I was generous with my comparison example. A more accurate example would be: "Videl was weaker than Krillin but that doesn't mean she can't beat Majin Buu just because he can't".
No, just because a being has a great feat really doesn't matter at all when it is time for combat. What you do in combat and who you face is really what matters. Hell, since Buu can turn people into candy and destroy Galaxies I guess Goku wasn't a match for him huh?
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Post by Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:48 pm

Alright, just fucking listen dude.

You.

Phenomenal.

Read this. With your eyes.

Broli goes from planet to planet. He does not destroy the galaxy.

The subtitles of the japanese version say that the South Galaxy has been attacked. If a military base is attacked and then as soon as the first bullet is fired everyone leaves, it is not destroyed. The term "Destroy" means "To do away with; put an end to."

To destroy something, it means that it no longer exists.

In a sense, it was indeed destroyed. However, it was not destroyed in a matter of seconds, it was destroyed over time.

Let me explain with a visual aid, or in your vocabulary, a picture:
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Now, I'm reporting you. Why am I reporting you? Because you are ignoring basic logic and flaming us because we're correcting you. That's why.

EDIT: Damn you imageshack and your resizings. It reads:

1- ENTIRE GALAXY
2- (Chunks of Galaxy) (Galaxy)
3- (More missing Galaxy) (Relatively intact Galaxy)
4- (Less Galaxy) (MOAR GALAXY)
5- (Missing Galaxy) (OMFG MOAR GALAXY)
6- NO GALAXY (Subtitles read - Kaio: A Super Saiyajin has attacked the South Galaxy).
7- NO EXPLOSION = NOT ALL AT ONCE

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Post by Humpski » Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:02 pm

Tullece, now you see that'd be enough to convince a normal person, but that's not what we're dealing with here...

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Post by Phenomenol » Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:09 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote: Broli goes from planet to planet. He does not destroy the galaxy.
Broli wiped out entire Galaxies. So we know he didn't wipe it out all at once do we? Despite King Kai saying the galaxy has been ATTACKED (past tense) and immediately calling for Goku? I don't think so. Broli wiped out an entire galaxy. You have any idea just how many planets there would have to be in a Galaxy? Theres an estimated 100 billion stars in a galaxy and you say he went to each planet and STAR one by one? LOL. Sure he may have started out that way because it was fun but he no doubt got bored and decidedly to expediate matters. Unless you're trying to say he actually went on to a couple of hundred billion planets one by one and actually shot people, destroyed some stuff and THEN blew the planet. Even if he destroyed a planet/Star a minute he would only manage to destroy just over 500 million planets/Stars in a THOUSAND years. It would take him millenia to wipe out a galaxy that way, Goku would likely be dead. and yet he done it in a matter of moments. Use some common sense

Using your "visual Aid"
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That shows a galaxy being destroyed now....now if it was planet by planet you would still see Broli trying to destroy it while Goku is searching for him but that is not the case.
Now, I'm reporting you. Why am I reporting you? Because you are ignoring basic logic and flaming us because we're correcting you. That's why.
Report me. The only crime I commited was not agreeing with you guys and you get mad, LOL.
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Post by Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece » Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:25 pm

He destroyed each planet individually. Yes. If not, there would have been a massive explosion, not a disintegration. The disintegration shows that it took place over time, not the few seconds as displayed. It was sped up at the pace of a a few years.

Even later in the movie, you see a flashback of Broli destroying planets as a child. He's been destroying them ever since, and he always has been.

As for the time thing, a star generates a large explosion (not large enough to be seen from that far, but it's extremely large).

There would be multiple explosions, enough to take out multiple solar systems in one blow.

And by firing multiple blasts at once, he very well could be destroying as many as a solar system every few seconds with enough well placed shots.

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