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I think it's Collen Clinkenbeard's Gohan which is more underrated I mean most Z Dub Fans prefer Nadolny's voice for gohan over Collen's
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Post by Gog » Sun May 07, 2017 6:51 pm

The Search For The Dragon Balls arc is superior to the Red Ribbon arc. That's not to say that the Red Ribbon arc is a bad arc, it's not, it has a lot of elements I like, Sergent Mayor Purple is just a really entertaining character with the sheer level of his incompetence, General Blue is a vain, and sadistic villain who I enjoy, and upon many others. But, the arc really suffers from the under utilization of it's main cast, and Kid Goku.

Which is a problem, what made the last two arcs great before it were the side characters, Kid Goku has nearly no character, and his his naivety only really works when he has a cast of characters around him to bounce off of, which is a problem in the Red Ribbion arc as there's portions of the arc were he's by himself.

There's also some missed potential in the arc with Black, who I honestly believed should have taken over the Red Ribbon army half way through the arc instead of the end where he's wasted.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Mon May 08, 2017 5:47 pm

I'm fine with Freeza coming back this time. I don't think we needed F to do so since you could've just had Beerus or Whis remember how naturally powerful he was and have the good guys train him but for the character dynamic stuff, I'm willing to give this a chance.

Now, tell Tien, Roshi and Krillin to go fuck themselves and bring in Goten, Trunks in. You cannot. Can. Fucking. Not! Put in Freeza here and tell me Goten and Trunks are bad team players as an excuse to not use them on the team.
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Post by Doctor. » Mon May 08, 2017 5:49 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:I'm fine with Freeza coming back this time. I don't think we needed F to do so since you could've just had Beerus or Whis remember how naturally powerful he was and have the good guys train him but for the character dynamic stuff, I'm willing to give this a chance.

Now, tell Tien, Roshi and Krillin to go fuck themselves and bring in Goten, Trunks in. You cannot. Can. Fucking. Not! Put in Freeza here and tell me Goten and Trunks are bad team players as an excuse to not use them on the team.
Just revive Cell and Dabura and put them in there instead.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Mon May 08, 2017 5:51 pm

Doctor. wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:I'm fine with Freeza coming back this time. I don't think we needed F to do so since you could've just had Beerus or Whis remember how naturally powerful he was and have the good guys train him but for the character dynamic stuff, I'm willing to give this a chance.

Now, tell Tien, Roshi and Krillin to go fuck themselves and bring in Goten, Trunks in. You cannot. Can. Fucking. Not! Put in Freeza here and tell me Goten and Trunks are bad team players as an excuse to not use them on the team.
Just revive Cell and Dabura and put them in there instead.
Or that, yeah. Over half the U7 team are redeemed bad guys in one way or another and since they're willing to use Freeza, Cell and Dabura should be no brainers.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon May 08, 2017 5:55 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Now, tell Tien, Roshi and Krillin to go fuck themselves and bring in Goten, Trunks in. You cannot. Can. Fucking. Not! Put in Freeza here and tell me Goten and Trunks are bad team players as an excuse to not use them on the team.
I never thought about that. But... yeah. That's just makes Goten and Trunks absence all the more jarring. Like Toriyama really did not want Goten and Trunks in this arc at all. I have a feeling in the manga, they won't even give an excuse. They'll mention their names and then Goku and Gohan will just say "no" on them being on the team and move on.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Mon May 08, 2017 5:58 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:Now, tell Tien, Roshi and Krillin to go fuck themselves and bring in Goten, Trunks in. You cannot. Can. Fucking. Not! Put in Freeza here and tell me Goten and Trunks are bad team players as an excuse to not use them on the team.
I never thought about that. But... yeah. That's just makes Goten and Trunks absence all the more jarring. Like Toriyama really did not want Goten and Trunks in this arc at all. I have a feeling in the manga, they won't even give an excuse. They'll mention their names and then Goku and Gohan will just say "no" on them being on the team and move on.
It's also reminds me of the anime's obnoxious Gohan situation where the plot from Toriyama clearly has nothing for him to do but the anime staff feel the need to try and include him just to pour salt on an open wound. Trunks had something of a revelation by meeting his future self to take care of what he has, an anime only thing that now means nothing when Trunks should be begging his dad on his knees to let him fight so he can do just that!
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ekrolo2 wrote:Or that, yeah. Over half the U7 team are redeemed bad guys in one way or another and since they're willing to use Freeza, Cell and Dabura should be no brainers.
Actually, someone told me this the other day, but it would be pretty cool if there was a limit on how many members per race you could have on your team. Maybe 1, or 2 since you can't seem to have a DBS arc without Vegeta in a relevant role. We could see races like the Yardrats fighting.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Mon May 08, 2017 6:00 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:Or that, yeah. Over half the U7 team are redeemed bad guys in one way or another and since they're willing to use Freeza, Cell and Dabura should be no brainers.
Actually, someone told me this the other day, but it would be pretty cool if there was a limit on how many members per race you could have on your team. Maybe 1, or 2 since you can't seem to have a DBS arc without Vegeta in a relevant role. We could see races like the Yardrats fighting.
You mean have people who'd use actual strategy & tactics for an arc no one can shut the hell up about being centered around strategy and tactics?! What a novel idea!
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon May 08, 2017 6:07 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:Now, tell Tien, Roshi and Krillin to go fuck themselves and bring in Goten, Trunks in. You cannot. Can. Fucking. Not! Put in Freeza here and tell me Goten and Trunks are bad team players as an excuse to not use them on the team.
I never thought about that. But... yeah. That's just makes Goten and Trunks absence all the more jarring. Like Toriyama really did not want Goten and Trunks in this arc at all. I have a feeling in the manga, they won't even give an excuse. They'll mention their names and then Goku and Gohan will just say "no" on them being on the team and move on.
It's also reminds me of the anime's obnoxious Gohan situation where the plot from Toriyama clearly has nothing for him to do but the anime staff feel the need to try and include him just to pour salt on an open wound. Trunks had something of a revelation by meeting his future self to take care of what he has, an anime only thing that now means nothing when Trunks should be begging his dad on his knees to let him fight so he can do just that!
I don't feel what Super did with Gohan really poured salt in an open wound. He was already a total fodder material in BOG. And ROF was 100% Toriyama treating Gohan like a loser and Toei just followed suit. He did nothing in the Champa arc, and in the Future Trunks arc all he did he was catch up with Future Trunks and wish he well when the arc ended. The only shit he's gotten up to outside of the main plot has been Great Saiyaman shenanigans. Which are very hit and miss these days.

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Post by Gog » Mon May 08, 2017 6:34 pm

Lunch is the worst thing ever, in the history of everything. She's a boring one note character who's pure of heart, and that's it. Her gag also wears off quickly after it's creation, and introduction. Her blond hair form while better in every way should be it's own character. I'm glad that she's forgotten, and I'm glad that she's never coming back.

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Post by jeffbr92 » Mon May 08, 2017 11:08 pm

Not sure if this is unpopular but I liked the Potaufeu arc
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon May 08, 2017 11:11 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:Not sure if this is unpopular but I liked the Potaufeu arc
It's very unpopular. I don't know why, though. It wasn't an offensively bad story, and I've never heard anyone try to argue to that effect. Maybe it left a bad taste because everyone was hyped for the FT Arc at the time, and Potaufeu was in the way.
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Post by precita » Mon May 08, 2017 11:51 pm

Gog wrote:Lunch is the worst thing ever, in the history of everything. She's a boring one note character who's pure of heart, and that's it. Her gag also wears off quickly after it's creation, and introduction. Her blond hair form while better in every way should be it's own character. I'm glad that she's forgotten, and I'm glad that she's never coming back.
Blue haired Launch is dull, but blonde Launch is hilarious and she was great. But I do agree she'd have no place in DBZ. She's just be another throwaway background character on the sidelines like Chi Chi, Videl, etc. if she stayed around.

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Post by Gog » Tue May 09, 2017 12:09 am

precita wrote:
Gog wrote:Lunch is the worst thing ever, in the history of everything. She's a boring one note character who's pure of heart, and that's it. Her gag also wears off quickly after it's creation, and introduction. Her blond hair form while better in every way should be it's own character. I'm glad that she's forgotten, and I'm glad that she's never coming back.
Blue haired Launch is dull, but blonde Launch is hilarious and she was great. But I do agree she'd have no place in DBZ. She's just be another throwaway background character on the sidelines like Chi Chi, Videl, etc. if she stayed around.
There were sometimes were I even disliked Blond Hair Lunch. She's just such an annoying extreme, to Blue Haired Lunch's boring personality. Honestly, it would have just been best if Lunch was a mixture of the two personalities.

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jeffbr92 wrote:Not sure if this is unpopular but I liked the Potaufeu arc
It's very unpopular. I don't know why, though. It wasn't an offensively bad story, and I've never heard anyone try to argue to that effect. Maybe it left a bad taste because everyone was hyped for the FT Arc at the time, and Potaufeu was in the way.
I think the main issue with the arc is how much it wastes its premise and characters. It has a cast of Jaco, Goten, Trunks, Vegeta and Goku set on a alien world and does nothing with them. I hated the mini-arc when I first watched it. But re-viewings of it have somewhat lessened my disdain towards those episodes. It's no long Garlic Jr. or Super 17 level bad, but it's still bad.

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Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
jeffbr92 wrote:Not sure if this is unpopular but I liked the Potaufeu arc
It's very unpopular. I don't know why, though. It wasn't an offensively bad story, and I've never heard anyone try to argue to that effect. Maybe it left a bad taste because everyone was hyped for the FT Arc at the time, and Potaufeu was in the way.
Pretty much. The Potaufeu arc was not bad by any stretch, much like the Black Star Dragon Ball arc it was just extremely bland and uninteresting and only made the lead up to an exciting arc feel like a drag. It's not an arc I'd willingly revisit but I wish they had of done more slice-of-life episodes as they are Super's strong point.
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Post by precita » Tue May 09, 2017 1:41 pm

I can't believe that arc is the one time Trunks and Goten got a role in Super, and they still managed to mess it up. They should have had Trunks and Goten play the heroes instead of using Goku.

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Post by Raizenx28 » Tue May 09, 2017 5:17 pm

I don't like the Saiyan saga I think its boring and drags out
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue May 09, 2017 5:22 pm

Raizenx28 wrote:I don't like the Saiyan saga I think its boring and drags out
Which part do you think drags on?
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