Caulifa is a threat to Goku.

[BlueBasilisk]

All three of the Universe 6 Saiyans can be a threat to the U7 Saiyans. Cabba's already in the same ballpark as Vegeta, Caulifla is implied to be a little stronger than him, and Kale will supposedly be so powerful in Berserk that even they're afraid of her. But even if they aren't as strong as Super Saiyan 3, Blue or Kaioken, it's been shown again and again that a strong fighter can be felled by a weaker one through cunning and tactics. They don't have to defeat him in a head-on battle after all, they just have to knock him out of the ring.

That said, I'm not expecting to see teams U6 and U7 fight each other in this tournament. Since Goku and co. are on pretty friendly terms with Cabba, Magetta, Botamo and Hit, I think the two teams will form an alliance to better increase their chances of survival.

[HybridSaiyan]

and Kale will supposedly be so powerful in Berserk

Is "Berserk" the new name for the Legendary Super Saiyan form? Just curious.

[BlueBasilisk]

and Kale will supposedly be so powerful in Berserk

Is "Berserk" the new name for the Legendary Super Saiyan form? Just curious.

It doesn't have a name yet as far as I know, I just call it that because her profile said she goes into a "berserker state" and I don't like calling it the "Legendary Super Saiyan" since that has so much baggage attached to it. I won't be surprised if they use Kale to retroactively explain what Broly's transformation really was and how it worked though.

[kinisking]

I really wished they did. Would have been nice if Cabba also looked more manly. I miss the old art style of DBZ...

I feel you. Super just looks too cartoony like.
In a perfect world, animate the manga version In Z's style, keeping the blood and battle damage.
It's heartbreaking it'll never happen. </3

I wish the manga and anime kept the design for Cabba that they had on the volume cover. He had a lot of definition, especially in his legs. It would've been a pretty unique and cool body type.

[Misirius]

I really wished they did. Would have been nice if Cabba also looked more manly. I miss the old art style of DBZ...

I feel you. Super just looks too cartoony like.
In a perfect world, animate the manga version In Z's style, keeping the blood and battle damage.
It's heartbreaking it'll never happen. </3

I wish the manga and anime kept the design for Cabba that they had on the volume cover. He had a lot of definition, especially in his legs. It would've been a pretty unique and cool body type.

The manga keeps the artstyle of DBZ. Perfected Super Saiyan Blue Goku looks buffed af.

[emperior]

I feel you. Super just looks too cartoony like.
In a perfect world, animate the manga version In Z's style, keeping the blood and battle damage.
It's heartbreaking it'll never happen. </3

I wish the manga and anime kept the design for Cabba that they had on the volume cover. He had a lot of definition, especially in his legs. It would've been a pretty unique and cool body type.

The manga keeps the artstyle of DBZ. Perfected Super Saiyan Blue Goku looks buffed af.

Goku is still buffed as fuck in the anime. As for Cabba, it seems like they have to stick to Toriyama's design. Unfortunately Toriyama designed him as a skinny kid, for some reason, but it was definitely intended as he gave muscles to Frost and Hit so it's not like he doesn't draw muscular guys anymore.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Why is she a threat to Goku specifically? Goku is kind of a joke considering literally every other relevant Saiyan, barring maybe Vegeta (and even Vegeta achieved the God forms with more ease), achieves transformations faster and easier than he does.

The other saiyans were taught to transform or learned to transform by watching Goku, they didn't discover the transformations on their own during battle like Goku did.

[kinisking]

Why is she a threat to Goku specifically? Goku is kind of a joke considering literally every other relevant Saiyan, barring maybe Vegeta (and even Vegeta achieved the God forms with more ease), achieves transformations faster and easier than he does.

The other saiyans were taught to transform or learned to transform by watching Goku, they didn't discover the transformations on their own during battle like Goku did.

Trunks, Goten and Gohan got one transformation for themselves though.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Why is she a threat to Goku specifically? Goku is kind of a joke considering literally every other relevant Saiyan, barring maybe Vegeta (and even Vegeta achieved the God forms with more ease), achieves transformations faster and easier than he does.

The other saiyans were taught to transform or learned to transform by watching Goku, they didn't discover the transformations on their own during battle like Goku did.

Trunks, Goten and Gohan got one transformation for themselves though.

How?

Gohan got SS2 but its just an ascended more powerful version of what he already had. If you mean Ultimate Gohan...he didnt unlock that either.

Trunks and Goten had seen their parents do it if I'm not mistsken. Though its still incredibly impressive.

[Kanassa]

Trunks and Goten had seen their parents do it if I'm not mistsken. Though its still incredibly impressive.

No, they only saw Goku go Super Saiyan 3. Goten didn't know what a Super Saiyan was until he showed Gohan that he could transform. Though I don't know about Trunks.

[SansrivaaL]

I never saw it as a problem when it came to Goten and Trunks because of being a hybrid, its like in my mind hybrids are special cases, with Gohan it was an untapped potential while Trunks and Goten got the liberty of reaching SSJ easily, pure saiyans are different for me, Vegeta got it off-screen but its the mystery thats keeping me from hating it, since I can just imagine that he went through hell to attain it, Cabba's transformation was fine since Vegeta scared the crap outta him, Cauli tho, yeah I can let the SSJ pass but SSJ2 showing up in the preview? and her getting the form for a few hours? ... and now Kale with her LSSJ.. I'll just ride with U6 saiyan females are scary af, Cauli being a genius and Kale with her potential. While it is quite a problem for me, I dont find it that bad enough since I'm bias towards Cauli and Kale (she still creeps me out tho)

[Lord Beerus]

Trunks and Goten had seen their parents do it if I'm not mistsken. Though its still incredibly impressive.

No, they only saw Goku go Super Saiyan 3. Goten didn't know what a Super Saiyan was until he showed Gohan that he could transform. Though I don't know about Trunks.

And keep in mind, Goten and Trunks seeing Goku transforming into a SSJ3 is actually anime filler. They never really see Goku transform into SSJ3 in the manga.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Trunks and Goten had seen their parents do it if I'm not mistsken. Though its still incredibly impressive.

No, they only saw Goku go Super Saiyan 3. Goten didn't know what a Super Saiyan was until he showed Gohan that he could transform. Though I don't know about Trunks.

Youre right about Goten actually. Trunks probably did see Vegeta though since he shadowed him a bit more, but off screen so we cant know.

[kinisking]

The other saiyans were taught to transform or learned to transform by watching Goku, they didn't discover the transformations on their own during battle like Goku did.

Trunks, Goten and Gohan got one transformation for themselves though.

How?

Gohan got SS2 but its just an ascended more powerful version of what he already had. If you mean Ultimate Gohan...he didnt unlock that either.

Trunks and Goten had seen their parents do it if I'm not mistsken. Though its still incredibly impressive.

Ss2 is still an entirely new transformation .

Trunks and Goten seeing their parents do it is debatable considering Goku was dead and Vegeta didn't even train with him enough to know he went super Saiyan.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Trunks, Goten and Gohan got one transformation for themselves though.

How?

Gohan got SS2 but its just an ascended more powerful version of what he already had. If you mean Ultimate Gohan...he didnt unlock that either.

Trunks and Goten had seen their parents do it if I'm not mistsken. Though its still incredibly impressive.

Ss2 is still an entirely new transformation .

Trunks and Goten seeing their parents do it is debatable considering Goku was dead and Vegeta didn't even train with him enough to know he went super Saiyan.

I think once youve gone SS you have a basis for SS2 and eventually SS3. The only forms Id say you couldnt achieve on your own from that point are SS4 if you consider the form cannon and SSG/SSB.

[kinisking]

How?

Gohan got SS2 but its just an ascended more powerful version of what he already had. If you mean Ultimate Gohan...he didnt unlock that either.

Trunks and Goten had seen their parents do it if I'm not mistsken. Though its still incredibly impressive.

Ss2 is still an entirely new transformation .

Trunks and Goten seeing their parents do it is debatable considering Goku was dead and Vegeta didn't even train with him enough to know he went super Saiyan.

I think once youve gone SS you have a basis for SS2 and eventually SS3. The only forms Id say you couldnt achieve on your own from that point are SS4 if you consider the form cannon and SSG/SSB.

You have a point I guess. Although I feel like SS is the easiest of them to achieve.

Still, Goten and trunks still count right?

[GodKaio-Ken]

Ss2 is still an entirely new transformation .

Trunks and Goten seeing their parents do it is debatable considering Goku was dead and Vegeta didn't even train with him enough to know he went super Saiyan.

I think once youve gone SS you have a basis for SS2 and eventually SS3. The only forms Id say you couldnt achieve on your own from that point are SS4 if you consider the form cannon and SSG/SSB.

You have a point I guess. Although I feel like SS is the easiest of them to achieve.

Still, Goten and trunks still count right?

Yeah I totally made a mistake on them. They somehow were born with the knowledge or are just crazy prodigies that arent getting to grow.

[Molock13]

She's not SSJ2. SSJ2 has lightning and her hair just naturally falls that way seeing how she has a lot of it. But with that being said who knows how strong she is? There has never been a female SSJ. Their SSJ forms may work completely different from the male forms. They maybe be less powerful or more powerful then the men's version. We have yet to see.

[Molock13]

I got the impression that Universe 6 Saiyans are a little more able to ascend their forms, from that "tingling back" thing. The Universe 7 Saiyans have to get really angry to achieve Super Saiyan.

I wouldn't call other Saiyans a threat to Goku and Vegeta at the moment.

Kale maybe a threat to everyone. If her LSSJ form works like Broly's did that is.

I looked it up and Broly's LSSJ form was about as powerful as a SSJ3 maybe even a little more so. Then you add to in the fact that instead of draining its users energy like a normal it does the opposite and gets more and more powerful as time goes on. LSSJ is a huge advantage but also a disadvantage. In Broly's case he was so powerful from the start that he didn't respect his enemies and didn't learn how to properly fight. He would just rush in head on into battles without a care in the world. He wouldn't block or dodge or even think up any kind of plan other then "Broly SMASH!". He would just rely on his overwhelming strength to win. If he was to face someone around his level of strength who actually worked for that kind of power like say Goku in SSJ3 form. Broly would have had his ass handed to him on a silver platter simply because he has no real experience or training in fighting people that are at or around his level.

Kale on the other hand is not bull headed and doesn't seem to be consumed with rage. Plus she has the added benefit of actually training and fighting with others who are around her level. Since she didn't even know she could go SSJ let alone LSSJ. So basically Kale is a Broly who isn't consumed by rage, has a level head in battle, knows how to fight, and can plan her attacks ahead of time. If she masters her LSSJ form she could quickly pick up on the fact that her power increases as time goes on. So if she isn't strong enough to take on say a SSJ blue Goku or Vegeta all she has to do is stay on the out skirts of the main fight and bide her time till she is strong enough to compete with them.

[cheddarsword]

I got the impression that Universe 6 Saiyans are a little more able to ascend their forms, from that "tingling back" thing. The Universe 7 Saiyans have to get really angry to achieve Super Saiyan.

I wouldn't call other Saiyans a threat to Goku and Vegeta at the moment.

Kale maybe a threat to everyone. If her LSSJ form works like Broly's did that is.

I looked it up and Broly's LSSJ form was about as powerful as a SSJ3 maybe even a little more so. Then you add to in the fact that instead of draining its users energy like a normal it does the opposite and gets more and more powerful as time goes on. LSSJ is a huge advantage but also a disadvantage. In Broly's case he was so powerful from the start that he didn't respect his enemies and didn't learn how to properly fight. He would just rush in head on into battles without a care in the world. He wouldn't block or dodge or even think up any kind of plan other then "Broly SMASH!". He would just rely on his overwhelming strength to win. If he was to face someone around his level of strength who actually worked for that kind of power like say Goku in SSJ3 form. Broly would have had his ass handed to him on a silver platter simply because he has no real experience or training in fighting people that are at or around his level.

Kale on the other hand is not bull headed and doesn't seem to be consumed with rage. Plus she has the added benefit of actually training and fighting with others who are around her level. Since she didn't even know she could go SSJ let alone LSSJ. So basically Kale is a Broly who isn't consumed by rage, has a level head in battle, knows how to fight, and can plan her attacks ahead of time. If she masters her LSSJ form she could quickly pick up on the fact that her power increases as time goes on. So if she isn't strong enough to take on say a SSJ blue Goku or Vegeta all she has to do is stay on the out skirts of the main fight and bide her time till she is strong enough to compete with them.

...Your information source is wrong. The general thought is that Broly in second coming is about as strong as Super Perfect Cell. So he was comparable to Cell Saga Gohan at SS2.

This has to be the case, because if he was as strong as SS3, then SS Adult Gohan wouldn't be able to do anything to him, which you can clearly see that he does.

Of course if you mean the form itself. then you're completely basing your logic on form alone, completely ignoring the fact that these forms multiply the users base power which CAN increase, making the forms stronger. SS3 Buu saga Goku would have beaten Broly senseless during Second Coming. Gohan only had trouble because his training was non existent for 7 years, and not only did he not grow stronger, he actually got WEAKER.

Goku just kept training and getting stronger in the afterlife.

Another fine example is in Battle of Gods. Goku in SS3 couldn't do shit to Beerus, but a rage fueled SS2 Vegeta actually pushed him back. (That's my bulma! Exp. +9001!)

Also, I wouldn't put too much stock in Broly's rising Ki. While it keeps increasing, he has a limit. That limit can indeed increase, but his ki can't go beyond the limit, however high that limit raises.

Also, don't look at this as Broly having unlimited power. If he were to have some trouble, he would be able to start losing power due to having to use so much at once.

Also, we haven't determined weather or not Kale is indeed the U6 LSS. She could just be an homage to Broly. And If the comments from the website are to be believed, then her Broly like form is indeed triggered by intense anger.

Take someone who is so angry they're fit to explode, and then give them extreme power. You can't tell me they won't lash out.

I don't mean to sound like an asshole and I'm sorry if I'm coming across that way. Just trying to assist.