So it seems confirmed Cell and the other older villains no longer exist in Hell

[Boo Machine]

*cough*... I'm fairly certain it's supposed to be exactly the other way round.

I need a little help understanding what you mean.

I meant it as "unless we have confirmation, we should act like they still happened". I reckon even Kai kept at least some of the scenes in question; it basically doesn't really look like they were written out.

It also doesn't really conflict - well, at least not irreparably so - with Freeza being in his own hell in the first place after being allowed to roam around during some of the filler in Z.

Ah. Well fair enough. I have a hard time seeing why they would let Freeza roam around. But I guess that's not really important. It could have happened I suppose. At worst it's just a small inconsistency with either case with that scene.

[LowRyder2005]

I need a little help understanding what you mean.

I meant it as "unless we have confirmation, we should act like they still happened". I reckon even Kai kept at least some of the scenes in question; it basically doesn't really look like they were written out.

It also doesn't really conflict - well, at least not irreparably so - with Freeza being in his own hell in the first place after being allowed to roam around during some of the filler in Z.

Ah. Well fair enough. I have a hard time seeing why they would let Freeza roam around. But I guess that's not really important. It could have happened I suppose. At worst it's just a small inconsistency with either case with that scene.

To clarify, I do get the whole your "they were meant to reincarnate (since it was the subtext of the manga since basically ever) and the series may now want to reflect that regardless of whatever may have happened in the past" angle. It's fairly possible it could be what Toei goes by these days. I just wouldn't jump the gun, that's all.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Tao Pai Pai is probably still alive as a Cyborg, the Crane Hermit is also probably around somewhere. Piccolo Daimao arguably never really died, but rather, he self-reincarnated into the Piccolo we know now. King Cold didn't have any grudges to the extent that Freeza did, so it's more likely that he'd repent just to get out of his hell. Cell was programmed for evil and is made up of some evil people, but he's also made up of many good people, I think he could be redeemed given enough time. I doubt Boo would have to repent, since he has no awareness of his evil to begin with, and we already know he's been reincarnated as Oob. Actually, Oob seems to have maintained some of Boo's attributes, so he may have been reincarnated differently from most, but I'd hate to speculate.

None of these are guarantees, but I don't think it's crazy to assume that the others have already done their time and moved on. That said, they could simply be in different levels of hell, so I wouldn't rule them out as candidates for return.

[precita]

I think Dabura might be the only older villain to still exist in the afterlife, because even in the manga Dabura was sent up to Heaven instead of Hell. I wonder if they'll remember that.

[Cabba]

Does it really matter though? Even if their spirits disappear
They can be brought back with the Super Dragon Balls since they can grant any wish

[precita]

Does it really matter though? Even if their spirits disappear
They can be brought back with the Super Dragon Balls since they can grant any wish

But....nobody is going to do that...lol.

[Basako]

Could be, but 'confirmed' is a pretty strong word. We don't know which villains are still in Hell and wich are not. Except Majin Boo, we know he is already reincarnated, but just because Goku asked for it.

I think Dabura might be the only older villain to still exist in the afterlife, because even in the manga Dabura was sent up to Heaven instead of Hell. I wonder if they'll remember that.

Dabra to Heaven in the manga? I don't recall this, I think it was an only anime thing.

[precita]

Could be, but 'confirmed' is a pretty strong word. We don't know which villains are still in Hell and wich are not. Except Majin Boo, we know he is already reincarnated, but just because Goku asked for it.

The way it was stated in the episode, it seemed King Yemma made it specific that Freeza not repenting or being cleansed into a spirit was weird or unusual. Like Freeza himself was preventing it from happening because of his stubborn/arrogant personality or his evilness.

It seemed to imply all the other villains eventually repented even if it took years.

Dabra to Heaven in the manga? I don't recall this, I think it was an only anime thing.

Yeah, it was. We don't actually see Dabura in heaven in the manga (those scenes were anime only), but in the manga Goku asks what happened to Dabura and King Yemma said he sent him to heaven. I think someone can show you the pic.

[dbgtFO]

Freeza has always been billed as evil itself and Boo was reincarnated. I think what happens is they stay in hell until they repent, become a spirit and remain in heaven/limbo until they are "recycled" (reincarnated). This seems to be a long process since I believe King Yemma had to cleanse Boo's soul for reincarnation into Oob. This took 10 years and I feel like Goku dropped a line at the EoZ saying something about Boo's soul being cleansed. Because of Goku's request to Yemma, Boo/Oob was probably reincarnated a lot quicker or put in front of everyone else, which still took 10 years. We don't know if Cell is just void of existence because he was artificial or if he was actually in hell. I'd imagine Cell would repent easy if he had a bunch around him reminding him he lost and wasn't perfect. I also wouldn't doubt it if Yemma hesitates to reincarnate past villains and chooses to leave them in limbo. Freeza wouldn't even bow down to Zen-Oh, he'd never repent or admit he is wrong. That's where he and Frost differ.

It didn't take 10 years, he was reincarnated almost immediately, since he is 10 years old as Uub at the end of Z.

This also confirms Earth has it's own hell while other planets might have their own too which could open a door for future material.

That was also my big takeaway from this episode in regards to the lore of the afterlife in DB.
Lord Enma said Freeza wouldn't be his problem, if he didn't die on Earth, which implies that every planet has their own check-in station and their own Enma? This has been a confusing subject ever since the end of the Freeza Arc, where it was a problem for the characters and I guess the Funi dub unintentionally got it right back then??
The implications are certainly not something I like about his statement...

[Basako]

Could be, but 'confirmed' is a pretty strong word. We don't know which villains are still in Hell and wich are not. Except Majin Boo, we know he is already reincarnated, but just because Goku asked for it.

The way it was stated in the episode, it seemed King Yemma made it specific that Freeza not repenting or being cleansed into a spirit was weird or unusual. Like Freeza himself was preventing it from happening because of his stubborn/arrogant personality or his evilness.

It seemed to imply all the other villains eventually repented even if it took years.

Dabra to Heaven in the manga? I don't recall this, I think it was an only anime thing.

Yeah, it was. We don't actually see Dabura in heaven in the manga (those scenes were anime only), but in the manga Goku asks what happened to Dabura and King Yemma said he sent him to heaven. I think someone can show you the pic.

I'll check about Dabra later.

But, still, I don't think it's implied what has happened to other villains. We can't really conclude anything about anyone but Freeza with this. Maybe Cell is in Hell without repenting about his crimes too. Maybe general Red too, how could we know.

Edit: Yeah, Dabra went to Heaven! http://imgur.com/a/3iibM

[sunkensheep]

This also confirms Earth has it's own hell while other planets might have their own too which could open a door for future material.

That was also my big takeaway from this episode in regards to the lore of the afterlife in DB.
Lord Enma said Freeza wouldn't be his problem, if he didn't die on Earth, which implies that every planet has their own check-in station and their own Enma? This has been a confusing subject ever since the end of the Freeza Arc, where it was a problem for the characters and I guess the Funi dub unintentionally got it right back then??
The implications are certainly not something I like about his statement...

Yeah, I had the same impression, expecially considering that planets explode everytime in the DB world. So what happens to their afterlife, do they disappear with their planet too? I hope not, for the sake of all the dead Saiyans and Namekians. But no, actually they don't, since when Kid Buu destroyed Earth, Enma was busy welcoming all the souls from Earth.

And now that I think of it, Buu was killed in Kaioshin's planet and he got reincarnated on Earth anyway. Maybe that planet doesn't have a hell of his own and Goku's request made Enma took care of Buu.

I was also thinking that in the anime, when the Ginyu Force is killed on Namek, they show up on King Kai's place. Which makes sense, considering that King Kai overwatches that sector of the galaxy. And he's at the end of the Snake Way, which is right above hell. So is there a possibiliy that "Earth's Hell" is actually just a sector of the "General hell"? That would make Enma's request more like a bureaucratic problem, like if Frieza dies on Earth is his responsibility to take care of him, but if he dies on another planet the hassle of handling him goes to one of his colleagues.

[Lord Frieza]

Its possible all their souls have been cleansed and moved on. Frieza's twisted spirit is just proving to be difficult.

[GodKaio-Ken]

But you're missing the point. What makes you think someone like Cell, Cold, (or Broly if including movies) would repent? Cell in particular has Freeza's cells in him.

Well I'm going by what Super said, Freeza is considered the most evil or stubborn being so he won't repent. The others, particularly Cell, don't seem as pure evil. Remember Cell also has Saiyan blood in him too as well as Piccolo's, he never seemed as outright villainous as Freeza did.

You dont think Cell is evil as Frieza? Hes like Goku and Frieza had an evil baby, itching for a good fight but lacking in any remorse. Part of the entire point is that while the other Androids are redeemed Cell cant see the beauty in life.

Plus I can see Cell refusing to repent just so he can keep his "perfect" body.

[TysonWine]

Responding to the initial post: It's possible that they still exist, but maybe in their own hell. Also, they may be in the same place Frieza is. Who knows how big that place is. Just because we don't see them, doesn't mean they're not there. Wouldn't hell be more of a "hell" if they are all alone without the presence of those who share similar ideologies?

I'm going to repeat what I said above, Freeza doesn't repent because he's stubborn/evil or whatever. The other villains likely did over time. I think you guys missed the point I was making, the other villains likely give up being trapped in Hell and just repent over time. Freeza does not.

This makes sense. For some reason, some people are looking at this as a time issue instead of a character issue. "Oh, Frieza's been dead the longest so he should repent first." Not exactly, and this is where character comes in. Frieza's evilness and stubbornness clearly gives him a powerful resolve that other characters may not have. He would rather be tortured in hell than change his ways (That's deep now that I think about it.) Also, maybe he has hope that someday he'll be freed. May seem ridiculous but it happened once in ROF didn't it. Well, it's happening again, which this episode showed us. So, I guess it's not such an outlandish dream after all. Even if Frieza gets sent back to hell, these opportunities will only make his resolve stronger.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I think the word repent needs clarification in tts original Japanese context which I cant provide lol

Repent doesnt mean (IMO) an empty sorry or a wishing for your pain to stop. It takes real regret for your actions and understanding why they were wrong. I doubt Cell did that.

[buutenks]

Piccolo explains in the manga what happens to people that had done evil or were when Vegeta asked if he will meet Goku. Piccolo says that Vegeta's soul will be cleansed and will be sent to another plane of existance. But since Freeza will never repent, he will forever remain in earth's hell. So Cell most like had his soul cleansed. Plus why bring Cell, when Freeza is such a strong being and can even get stronger.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Piccolo explains in the manga what happens to people that had done evil or were when Vegeta asked if he will meet Goku. Piccolo says that Vegeta's soul will be cleansed and will be sent to another plane of existance. But since Freeza will never repent, he will forever remain in earth's hell. So Cell most like had his soul cleansed. Plus why bring Cell, when Freeza is such a strong being and can even get stronger.

Youre just making a blind assumption Cell would repent. Until someone brings evidence as to why that would happen based off his character as shown in series canon there is no evidence he would be cleansed.

[julianix]

That scene is not cannon why do you guys keep saying that. There was a lot of filler episodes in z. They gavr you the explenation as to why some people kept their bodies and others don't. Freeza is in his own hell until he repents.

There's no indication cell is even in hell or if he is doesn't have a body anymore. I can assure you he's not next to a tv with a bunch of others dudes having a beer.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Every evil soul that goes to Hell is crafted their own most torturous version of the plane of existence from what I recall of this franchise's take on it.

So, unless Goku were to specifically ask to see other villains that have gone to Hell and haven't repented for their evil nature when they were alive, we wouldn't be seeing them. As Freeza states, this Hell was made specifically to be his worst torture, happiness and fun everywhere that he couldn't do anything about.

Cell and other villains would most likely have their own versions of Hell catered to their own brands of evil, separate from that of others.

[DBZAOTA482]

Cell is an artificial creation, he might not even be able to comeback. Maybe he's not in hell at all.

King Kai was surprised to not see Cell's spirit in the afterlife plus Cell's bio-organic and has ki so he's definitely a living being.

Tao Pai Pai is probably still alive as a Cyborg, the Crane Hermit is also probably around somewhere. Piccolo Daimao arguably never really died, but rather, he self-reincarnated into the Piccolo we know now. King Cold didn't have any grudges to the extent that Freeza did, so it's more likely that he'd repent just to get out of his hell. Cell was programmed for evil and is made up of some evil people, but he's also made up of many good people, I think he could be redeemed given enough time. I doubt Boo would have to repent, since he has no awareness of his evil to begin with, and we already know he's been reincarnated as Oob. Actually, Oob seems to have maintained some of Boo's attributes, so he may have been reincarnated differently from most, but I'd hate to speculate.

None of these are guarantees, but I don't think it's crazy to assume that the others have already done their time and moved on. That said, they could simply be in different levels of hell, so I wouldn't rule them out as candidates for return.

Tao Pai Pai and his older brother might not be alive. Sure, they weren't monsters like Daimao but they were still pretty nasty.

Cell may have been programmed to kill but the androids have shown to have moral agency. Cell killed hundred-thousands if not millions pretty much entirely for personal gain and amusement plus he showed no signs he would change his ways. He even decided to kill himself and take everyone with along with the Earth rather than accept defeat.