Kamekameha

Ran Fuan · Post by **Ran Fuan** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:41 pm

I was watching the Tenkaichi Budokai arc when Goten is up against Trunks in the final round of the junior division. And during their bout Goten shows Trunks that he also is able to use Ki by firing a (un-controlled kamehameha). However, Goten says "Kame(ka)meha" and right afterwards Trunks points out the mistake. My point is it really necessary to even call the name of the attack in order to use it, as Goten gets it wrong but is still able to fire the kamehameha.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:59 pm

Is it necessary to announce the attack name as you're using it?

Technically, no. In the rules of Shonen anime, yes.

Humpski · Post by **Humpski** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:56 pm

Vegeta: "I'll get you kakarotto!"
Goku: "Okay let's fight!"

*Both power up*
Vegeta: Raaaaaahhh! PUNCH!
Goku: DODGE!

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:56 pm

You might also want to check out the Goku/Jackie Chun battle in the 21st Budoukai, where Goku tricks Jackie by yelling the name of a different attack than the one he's actually using.

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:31 pm

I sort of think of the "Kamekameha" as Goten's own version of the Kamehameha. Like how there are turning kamehameha, red 10x kamehameha, gold kamehameha, bunches of other ones, too.

So I class the "Kamekameha" as just a weaker Kamehameha, specific to Goten, and I play around with the idea that taking out 'hame' makes the beam seem less fearful sounding.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:52 pm

I always thought announcing the attack just helped them with the timing of powering it up. As you see when Muten Roshi uses the Kamahamaha for the first time, he said part of the name with each movement he did.

Hero 004 · Post by **Hero 004** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:28 pm

That's a good point, NeptuneKai.

I would think that when you're in a fight for your life and other people's lives, the more enthusiasm you can put into what you're doing, the more energy you will have, therefore fight better. I'll bet when Goku and crew are firing up their attacks, it pumps them up to say the name. But yes, we have seen many instances when attacks were done without saying the name. Sometimes a simple yell replaces it, which probably has the same effect.

For me personally, it makes an attack a lot more entertaining when the name is said. It also clears up confusion on whether or not the attack is supposed to be significant enough to have a name. For example: Freeza's "Death Beam" never has a name, but we see that it is clearly a move of his when Cell uses it in the Cell Games. Or Future Trunks' "Burning Attack". It's video game named, but he uses it again (non canon) in The History of Trunks and The Three Super Saiyan. So I would call it a specific move, but I'm sure many don't. So yeah, it helps for attacks to have names said by the characters.

Also, maybe Goten would have been able to control the blast had he said the name right.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:42 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:I sort of think of the "Kamekameha" as Goten's own version of the Kamehameha. Like how there are turning kamehameha, red 10x kamehameha, gold kamehameha, bunches of other ones, too.

Well, while you're free to think that, it isn't really. Goten simply mispronounces it, it's not distinguishable from a normal Kamehame-Ha such as a 10x version or a fully powered Super Saiyan 2 "golden" version may be. What's good to remember is Goten was in the middle of a battle and had thousands of people watching, there had to be some stress on him. While not canon, he does get it right by the time of DBZ movie 11, as well as being able to pronounce it properly as an adult in GT.

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:16 am

Humpski wrote:Vegeta: "I'll get you kakarotto!"
Goku: "Okay let's fight!"

*Both power up*
Vegeta: Raaaaaahhh! PUNCH!
Goku: DODGE!

... Oh, crap, I so wanna use that as a signature quote now. x'DD

Conan the SSJ wrote:.... Goten simply mispronounces it, it's not distinguishable from a normal Kamehame-Ha such as a 10x version or a fully powered Super Saiyan 2 "golden" version may be. What's good to remember is Goten was in the middle of a battle and had thousands of people watching, there had to be some stress on him. While not canon, he does get it right by the time of DBZ movie 11, as well as being able to pronounce it properly as an adult in GT.

... Aaand an image comes to mind of Goku fussily nitpicking about his precious attack's name with his son.

It seems so much funnier in my head than I can communicate, so I won't even bother trying to write it down... @_@

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:46 am

I think of screaming the name of the attack is like the kiai-theory. When you scream you use more of your chi which makes the attack stronger.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:51 am

Humpski wrote:Vegeta: Raaaaaahhh! PUNCH!
Goku: DODGE!

And don't forget "FLY! FLY! FLY! FLY! FLY!"

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:19 am

Olivier Hague wrote:
Humpski wrote:Vegeta: Raaaaaahhh! PUNCH!
Goku: DODGE!
And don't forget "FLY! FLY! FLY! FLY! FLY!"

Still, I'm impressed that they say "RUUUUN!" when they are going to run away as a group or are to warn eachother.

raz1337 · Post by **raz1337** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:45 pm

Adamant wrote:You might also want to check out the Goku/Jackie Chun battle in the 21st Budoukai, where Goku tricks Jackie by yelling the name of a different attack than the one he's actually using.

What episode was this? It's a shame, though, that we didn't see more of Goten and Trunks actually fighting as Goten and Trunks besides the tournament. I think it was cool to see the kids fight.

Dragon Ball Daisuki · Post by **Dragon Ball Daisuki** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:03 pm

And let's not forget that Son Goten's older brother repeated the same slur in the late Saiya-jin arc, calling "Kamehame-ha", but thinking "Masenkou". Obviously, the specific name doesn't actually have much to do with the attack itself. Though I will go ahead and agree that saying *something* no doubt makes the attack more potent, as outlined above. ^^

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:38 am

Though not 100% on-topic, I'd just like to express my sorrow in pointing out that "Kamekame-Ka" is not maintained in the dub dialogue. It's somewhat defining to Goten's character, and FUNi dropped the ball.
'Kay, had my say. That'll do it for me.

~Da Lemmy

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:48 pm

That'll explain why I didn't even know about it until reading Daizex discussions about the Sparking series. V.V. And somehow that reminds me that I have japanese homework to be doing. *runs away*

Furu · Post by **Furu** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:32 am

Dragon Ball Daisuki wrote:And let's not forget that Son Goten's older brother repeated the same slur in the late Saiya-jin arc, calling "Kamehame-ha", but thinking "Masenkou". Obviously, the specific name doesn't actually have much to do with the attack itself. Though I will go ahead and agree that saying *something* no doubt makes the attack more potent, as outlined above. ^^

Wasn't the Masenko-Kamehameha thing one of those wacky filler errors? In which case it wouldn't really be Gohan's, just Toei's.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:12 am

If I remember correctly (And if I don't, there's ... umm... plenty of threads on it somewhere in the first two pages of the board), it was in the manga as well?

Furu · Post by **Furu** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:48 am

A quick look at the Kamehameha color thread reveals that Gohan never named what attack he was using in the manga at all, so it was probably a Masenko.

(Considering Gohan didn't learn the Kamehameha till, what, the Cell Saga?)

suomipoika · Post by **suomipoika** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:10 am

if you have played budokai 1 you can see that kid gohan has kamehameha