"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Super_Divine_Genki]

Anyone else getting a "Cell Games" vibe form Goku and Gohan there? No? Just me?

A couple months ago, I had created a thread that had mentioned similarities to the Cell Games with Goku's role in this tournament and how it may lead to Gohan getting the "big moment". That thread was shot down by several members, but I will be bumping it once my bold prediction inevitably happens - Goku gets standout moment(s) of the tournament for U7 before getting eliminated, thus leaving it to Gohan, and possibly Vegeta (and now Freeza), to go the rest of the length without him. Mostly Gohan though.

both vegeta and piccolo used to be villains, and turned good. who knows, maybe that happens to frieza aswell`? i doubt so, but we never knows.

Piccolo was never on the same level of villain as Vegeta, and certainly nowhere close to Freeza. The series did very well with making Piccolo's turnaround believable. It took Vegeta nearly all of Z to turn the corner, and it was done in a satisfying way. Freeza has never been under that oppression and was always in full control and awareness whenever he committed unrestrained horrific acts, although his henchmen did the heavy lifting as directed by him. Freeza is a character that can't be redeemed even if you gave him 100 episodes of Super to "turn the corner", imo.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, if the series tries to push Beerus as the one mostly responsible for why Freeza is the way that he is/was, if Freeza is kept around long-term (stand-in for Beerus while he was sleeping... ?). Whatever happens, it would have to go well beyond this tournament arc if they want to try to sell it as such. I don't see him as anything but a cold-blooded villain though.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Frieza probably thinks he can beat 79 fighters on his own. He isnt saving anyone...nor would I buy it if he does but hey TOEI can be random sometimes.

[Big Black Sayian]

Frieza probably thinks he can beat 79 fighters on his own. He isnt saving anyone...nor would I buy it if he does but hey TOEI can be random sometimes.

Maybe we'll get Freeza vs Jiren. Gives Jiren something to do besides standing there looking pretty....

[Ki Breaker]

Frieza probably thinks he can beat 79 fighters on his own. He isnt saving anyone...nor would I buy it if he does but hey TOEI can be random sometimes.

Maybe we'll get Freeza vs Jiren. Gives Jiren something to do besides standing there looking pretty....

Jiren has stuff to do, you will get it once TFS dubs his internal thougts in the year 3000..

[dbzfan7]

does anyone else think the ending of gohan + goku together means goku+gohan will be amoung the last fighters remaining, and fighting together?

The irony of the Gohan/Goku ending pisses me off especially when Goku was the first one to leave the group, ignore Gohans directions, and not work together.
They dont have to write Goku like this.

I like how he makes Gohan leader, then says he's counting on him for the tournament. Apparently what he really meant was "Babysit the losers while I go have fun ok?"

[Totamo]

does anyone else think the ending of gohan + goku together means goku+gohan will be amoung the last fighters remaining, and fighting together?

The irony of the Gohan/Goku ending pisses me off especially when Goku was the first one to leave the group, ignore Gohans directions, and not work together.
They dont have to write Goku like this.

I like how he makes Gohan leader, then says he's counting on him for the tournament. Apparently what he really meant was "Babysit the losers while I go have fun ok?"

The odd thing is:Gohan's plan would have worked had the others stayed

[Ki Breaker]

It's odd for goku to be so carefree even when he knows the universes will be erased, instead of eliminating opponents one by one he is just going for Toppo, I have serious doubts if the universes are even going to be destroyed..

If fighters would be killed off anyway why the rules ensuring safety, on top of that they are safely teleported to the stands with their gods..

We did hear goku saying he won't be a pawn of the gods for long, maybe this is him playing with the gods this time around with the grand priest also in Goku's team..

All of the gods shitting their pants all this time would be hilarious and perfect to let them know who's in charge when goku is around

[TheOne]

does anyone else think the ending of gohan + goku together means goku+gohan will be amoung the last fighters remaining, and fighting together?

The irony of the Gohan/Goku ending pisses me off especially when Goku was the first one to leave the group, ignore Gohans directions, and not work together.
They dont have to write Goku like this.

This was Gokus idea. Being ganged up on is his idea of a good time. To be honest, its in everyone's character to do what they did. Yeah I get that he hyped up Gohan as team leader which will still come into play at some point, but right now he's just really excited and about to take out Universe 9 with Vegetas help.

17,18 and Krillin will have each other's backs at some point, but everyone else will fight solo unless they're needed elsewhere. I can definitely see there being team up sessions towards the end.

But right now I don't see a problem with everyone breaking off and conquering the weaklings. The people who need to stick together are sticking together. I'll be darned if I saw Master Roshi ever take someone out without someone's help (aside from mafuba).

[Big Black Sayian]

Frieza probably thinks he can beat 79 fighters on his own. He isnt saving anyone...nor would I buy it if he does but hey TOEI can be random sometimes.

Maybe we'll get Freeza vs Jiren. Gives Jiren something to do besides standing there looking pretty....

Jiren has stuff to do, you will get it once TFS dubs his internal thougts in the year 3000..

He's trying to remember if he left the stove on or paid his space taxes. :p

[Ki Breaker]

Maybe we'll get Freeza vs Jiren. Gives Jiren something to do besides standing there looking pretty....

Jiren has stuff to do, you will get it once TFS dubs his internal thougts in the year 3000..

He's trying to remember if he left the stove on or paid his space taxes. :p

I can see him getting a Saitama bored like personality..
TFS is extremely good at creating the best quirks for the characters..

[GodKaio-Ken]

Maybe we'll get Freeza vs Jiren. Gives Jiren something to do besides standing there looking pretty....

Jiren has stuff to do, you will get it once TFS dubs his internal thougts in the year 3000..

He's trying to remember if he left the stove on or paid his space taxes. :p

Lol

"Did I leave the oven on....GOD DAMN IT GOKU LEAVE ME ALONE YOUR MANCRUSH IS CREEPY"

I think we have figured ot out.

[dbzfan7]

The irony of the Gohan/Goku ending pisses me off especially when Goku was the first one to leave the group, ignore Gohans directions, and not work together.
They dont have to write Goku like this.

I like how he makes Gohan leader, then says he's counting on him for the tournament. Apparently what he really meant was "Babysit the losers while I go have fun ok?"

The odd thing is:Gohan's plan would have worked had the others stayed

"You're team leader, and I'm going to ignore everything you have to say at the very first chance I get. So have fun."

[TheMikado]

I like how he makes Gohan leader, then says he's counting on him for the tournament. Apparently what he really meant was "Babysit the losers while I go have fun ok?"

The odd thing is:Gohan's plan would have worked had the others stayed

"You're team leader, and I'm going to ignore everything you have to say at the very first chance I get. So have fun."

They didn't have to write it like this. I would have had Frieza be the first one to run off and ignore Gohan, Vegeta next, then th and androids with Goku trying to get them to listen to Gohan. After it fail Goku goes, oh well. And heads off himself. It wasn't hard to do that.

[GodKaio-Ken]

The odd thing is:Gohan's plan would have worked had the others stayed

"You're team leader, and I'm going to ignore everything you have to say at the very first chance I get. So have fun."

They didn't have to write it like this. I would have had Frieza be the first one to run off and ignore Gohan, Vegeta next, then th and androids with Goku trying to get them to listen to Gohan. After it fail Goku goes, oh well. And heads off himself. It wasn't hard to do that.

Why would that be any better? Goku did exactly what everyone who knows his character knew he would.

Why are people missing the fact he made Gohan leader because he didnt want to worry about other people? He just wants to fight on his own.

[Ki Breaker]

Goku shouldn't have gone first, any other order was fine..
But we didn't get it and It's okay, not everything needs to be picture perfect, we can just chalk it up to goku not liking the idea of fighting opponents 1 vs 2 from the start..

[dbzfan7]

The odd thing is:Gohan's plan would have worked had the others stayed

"You're team leader, and I'm going to ignore everything you have to say at the very first chance I get. So have fun."

They didn't have to write it like this. I would have had Frieza be the first one to run off and ignore Gohan, Vegeta next, then th and androids with Goku trying to get them to listen to Gohan. After it fail Goku goes, oh well. And heads off himself. It wasn't hard to do that.

Goku has gone through teamwork before when needed. Like with Raditz, Freeza, Boo, etc. He knows when to rely on it. It's just Goku remains a static character which can make him insufferable to others as he never seems to grow as a main character at all.

What he did does make sense for him, but it really hurts the whole point of the teamwork aspect they wanted to make feel important. You might has well not have even bothered. Shoulda just said we needed 10 warriors to fight for our universe...and that's it. Even if they actually do start with teamwork, I'd find it regression for Goku's character since it's something he's already bee plenty good at. Hell I think Vegeta already regressed lately since the start of this arc.

[Ki Breaker]

Call Vegeta regressed, but at least he is fun to watch now

[TheMikado]

Not everyone likes watching years of character development crapped on for the sake of entertainment. They aren't mutually exclusive. You can make them entertaining without regression. I really don't get why they HAD to portray Goku that way. It's really minor but it's been death by 1000 cuts with Goku character.

[TheOne]

Not everyone likes watching years of character development crapped on for the sake of entertainment. They aren't mutually exclusive. You can make them entertaining without regression. I really don't get why they HAD to portray Goku that way. It's really minor but it's been death by 1000 cuts with Goku character.

You really think it's out of character for Goku to fight alone?? Good grief you must've missed all of DBZ

[TheMikado]

Not everyone likes watching years of character development crapped on for the sake of entertainment. They aren't mutually exclusive. You can make them entertaining without regression. I really don't get why they HAD to portray Goku that way. It's really minor but it's been death by 1000 cuts with Goku character.

You really think it's out of character for Goku to fight alone?? Good grief you must've missed all of DBZ

No where did I complain about Goku fighting alone. That's perfectly within his character. It's the degree his recklessness is shown. I gave a perfectly valid way they could have shown the same thing without Goku being the primary douche bag and more consistent with his teamwork and maturity he's gained over the years.