"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Ki Breaker]

Grand priests wife must be some kind of angelic beauty..
Or he just really likes to not pull out..

12 possible children, probably the most we will see anyone having in Dragonball

[GodKaio-Ken]

Grand priests wife must be some kind of angelic beauty..
Or he just really likes to not pull out..

12 possible children, probably the most we will see anyone having in Dragonball

Or we find out he created them with magic and that we are all the grand priests children too.

[emperior]

in regards to the whole SSB burns stamina thing, it's relative. The manga's stamina burning is VERY bad from what we've seen. In the anime, though Goku at one point said it burns fast, we've seen him and Vegeta last plenty in the form especially when they're pacing themselves. They aren't using the power at max all the time and it's still perfect ki control and containment. But like anyone else, they will get tired. i mean, it's inevitable. and they still have their limits until they go beyond it. Imagine being able to lift a certain amount, but you're going and going and going. You're eventually going to get tired even if you've "mastered" it especially when it's a very intense workout.

That's exactly what I'm saying, though some people don't understand it.
It's like when you run, in this case the base form would be like walking, while Blue would be like running. It makes perfect sense that Goku and Vegeta don't want to tire themselves out.

[Ki Breaker]

Grand priests wife must be some kind of angelic beauty..
Or he just really likes to not pull out..

12 possible children, probably the most we will see anyone having in Dragonball

Or we find out he created them with magic and that we are all the grand priests children too.

Yeah, magic of his meat that is

[IntoTheFire]

I honestly didn't believe the theories that the Grand Priest could be evil, but I am rethinking that now.
I can see the arc ending with it being revealed that he planned this together with his children to get rid of the gods and mortals. After all, aren't angels servants of sort to the gods? Maybe they don't like being in a submissive position anymore.
Zeno is extremely childlike, so it wouldn't be too difficult to manipulate him in their favor. Though if it is true I hope not all of the angels are in on it. Whis is particular I wouldn't want to see turn on U7.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I honestly didn't believe the theories that the Grand Priest could be evil, but I am rethinking that now.
I can see the arc ending with it being revealed that he planned this together with his children to get rid of the gods and mortals. After all, aren't angels servants of sort to the gods? Maybe they don't like being in a submissive position anymore.
Zeno is extremely childlike, so it wouldn't be too difficult to manipulate him in their favor. Though if it is true I hope not all of the angels are in on it. Whis is particular I wouldn't want to see turn on U7.

I also thought the theories were BS but now I think they may have some validity.

Notice that Mojito didnt "shut down" as expected. Most likely since there isnt a universe he can no longer be tied to it. We see Mojito smile which in itself isnt a give away...but that smile was important enough to warrant a full screen close up of it happening. In other words it wasnt random animation it was written and planned to impact the viewer.

We have this weird two Zeno thing going on top of everything else.

If there isnt more planned its a huge missed opportunity for an arc grand in scale.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

in regards to the whole SSB burns stamina thing, it's relative. The manga's stamina burning is VERY bad from what we've seen. In the anime, though Goku at one point said it burns fast, we've seen him and Vegeta last plenty in the form especially when they're pacing themselves. They aren't using the power at max all the time and it's still perfect ki control and containment. But like anyone else, they will get tired. i mean, it's inevitable. and they still have their limits until they go beyond it. Imagine being able to lift a certain amount, but you're going and going and going. You're eventually going to get tired even if you've "mastered" it especially when it's a very intense workout.

That's exactly what I'm saying, though some people don't understand it.
It's like when you run, in this case the base form would be like walking, while Blue would be like running. It makes perfect sense that Goku and Vegeta don't want to tire themselves out.

I'm watching Buu arc via Kai and Vegeta went against Kid Buu in base for his R1 despite the fact he saw SS3 Goku get knocked the hell out. So it's not like it's exclusive to Super this using and staying in Base at the start of a big fight.

Also Freeza has mastered Golden now but he's still running around in Base for the moment also. Given the fact that senzu are banned it's smart of them to pace themselves I like your analogy, walking is base, SS is like jogging and SSGSS is like running, the way they both utilised Base, SS and SSGSS I thought was pretty darn clever. I see a few people complain that going SSGSS was not necessary maybe maybe not but it wasn't worth the risk sticking with the analogies if you're in a race and you are ahead and you are jogging up and see the finish line you're gonna run and secure the victory you ain't gonna take the risk of the pace of a jog are you?

[omaro34]

The Zenos are lucifer. As sadistic as they come.

Goku really shouldn't have a brought a second one into this timeline, although I don't think it would have made much of a difference.

[Nero<>Akira]

in regards to the whole SSB burns stamina thing, it's relative. The manga's stamina burning is VERY bad from what we've seen. In the anime, though Goku at one point said it burns fast, we've seen him and Vegeta last plenty in the form especially when they're pacing themselves. They aren't using the power at max all the time and it's still perfect ki control and containment. But like anyone else, they will get tired. i mean, it's inevitable. and they still have their limits until they go beyond it. Imagine being able to lift a certain amount, but you're going and going and going. You're eventually going to get tired even if you've "mastered" it especially when it's a very intense workout.

That's exactly what I'm saying, though some people don't understand it.
It's like when you run, in this case the base form would be like walking, while Blue would be like running. It makes perfect sense that Goku and Vegeta don't want to tire themselves out.

I'm watching Buu arc via Kai and Vegeta went against Kid Buu in base for his R1 despite the fact he saw SS3 Goku get knocked the hell out. So it's not like it's exclusive to Super this using and staying in Base at the start of a big fight.

Also Freeza has mastered Golden now but he's still running around in Base for the moment also. Given the fact that senzu are banned it's smart of them to pace themselves I like your analogy, walking is base, SS is like jogging and SSGSS is like running, the way they both utilised Base, SS and SSGSS I thought was pretty darn clever. I see a few people complain that going SSGSS was not necessary maybe maybe not but it wasn't worth the risk sticking with the analogies if you're in a race and you are ahead and you are jogging up and see the finish line you're gonna run and secure the victory you ain't gonna take the risk of the pace of a jog are you?

First of all, Toei are idiots for leaving fillers in the boo arc even though they cut it down like the whole dead enemies in hell watching goku and boo fight. it's just... ugh. and Vegeta never fought Boo in the manga at base. he fought him once and that was in SSJ2. it had nothing to do with tiring himself out. the anime just added filler and was just having him be.. stupid and "buying time" but not really since he was taking Goku's place.

[SaiyanSoul]

There's no need to complicate this. Zen'ou alone came up with the tournament, that's all there is to it.


Zunou said they can grant every wish, and he knows everything.

I'm not taking Zunou as proof of a plot point that hadnt been conceived at the time.

Youre implying the Super Dragon Balls are stronger than Zeno. Id bet my life they cant kill him at the very least.

It'd be more realistic to try and ask the dragon to revive everyone back and have everyone reside in the winning universe. Hopefully to help balance out the mortal level with the exempt universes

This might happen because Universe 7 only has 28 planets with life on it. Also I think the having two Zeno thing is actually a bad thing because now you have a being that can be taken out by himself. We see the difference between the two Zeno's and what happens if they both piss each other off? Bam they both can erase each other and if the Zenos are gone well guess who is free to do w.e ever he wants....

[Noah]

How many characters do yu think will be eliminated next episode?

Well, probably another entire universe. We can get rid of the fodders fast and then focus on the important characters. JK lol probably just one or two

[Baggie_Saiyan]

That's exactly what I'm saying, though some people don't understand it.
It's like when you run, in this case the base form would be like walking, while Blue would be like running. It makes perfect sense that Goku and Vegeta don't want to tire themselves out.

I'm watching Buu arc via Kai and Vegeta went against Kid Buu in base for his R1 despite the fact he saw SS3 Goku get knocked the hell out. So it's not like it's exclusive to Super this using and staying in Base at the start of a big fight.

Also Freeza has mastered Golden now but he's still running around in Base for the moment also. Given the fact that senzu are banned it's smart of them to pace themselves I like your analogy, walking is base, SS is like jogging and SSGSS is like running, the way they both utilised Base, SS and SSGSS I thought was pretty darn clever. I see a few people complain that going SSGSS was not necessary maybe maybe not but it wasn't worth the risk sticking with the analogies if you're in a race and you are ahead and you are jogging up and see the finish line you're gonna run and secure the victory you ain't gonna take the risk of the pace of a jog are you?

First of all, Toei are idiots for leaving fillers in the boo arc even though they cut it down like the whole dead enemies in hell watching goku and boo fight. it's just... ugh. and Vegeta never fought Boo in the manga at base. he fought him once and that was in SSJ2. it had nothing to do with tiring himself out. the anime just added filler and was just having him be.. stupid and "buying time" but not really since he was taking Goku's place.

That's besides the point, Toei still wrote and did that just like they're doing Super my point still stands.

[Nero<>Akira]

I'm watching Buu arc via Kai and Vegeta went against Kid Buu in base for his R1 despite the fact he saw SS3 Goku get knocked the hell out. So it's not like it's exclusive to Super this using and staying in Base at the start of a big fight.

Also Freeza has mastered Golden now but he's still running around in Base for the moment also. Given the fact that senzu are banned it's smart of them to pace themselves I like your analogy, walking is base, SS is like jogging and SSGSS is like running, the way they both utilised Base, SS and SSGSS I thought was pretty darn clever. I see a few people complain that going SSGSS was not necessary maybe maybe not but it wasn't worth the risk sticking with the analogies if you're in a race and you are ahead and you are jogging up and see the finish line you're gonna run and secure the victory you ain't gonna take the risk of the pace of a jog are you?

First of all, Toei are idiots for leaving fillers in the boo arc even though they cut it down like the whole dead enemies in hell watching goku and boo fight. it's just... ugh. and Vegeta never fought Boo in the manga at base. he fought him once and that was in SSJ2. it had nothing to do with tiring himself out. the anime just added filler and was just having him be.. stupid and "buying time" but not really since he was taking Goku's place.

That's besides the point, Toei still wrote and did that just like they're doing Super my point still stands.

That's filler. This isn't. It doesn't stand.

[kinisking]

At the end of the day, DBZ was still heavily enjoyed by people regardless of those filler scenes. I bet 99 percent of the people complaining about these scenes and dismissing filler moments didn't even know those scenes were filler when they first watched them.

[OLKv3]

That's exactly what I'm saying, though some people don't understand it.
It's like when you run, in this case the base form would be like walking, while Blue would be like running. It makes perfect sense that Goku and Vegeta don't want to tire themselves out.

I'm watching Buu arc via Kai and Vegeta went against Kid Buu in base for his R1 despite the fact he saw SS3 Goku get knocked the hell out. So it's not like it's exclusive to Super this using and staying in Base at the start of a big fight.

Also Freeza has mastered Golden now but he's still running around in Base for the moment also. Given the fact that senzu are banned it's smart of them to pace themselves I like your analogy, walking is base, SS is like jogging and SSGSS is like running, the way they both utilised Base, SS and SSGSS I thought was pretty darn clever. I see a few people complain that going SSGSS was not necessary maybe maybe not but it wasn't worth the risk sticking with the analogies if you're in a race and you are ahead and you are jogging up and see the finish line you're gonna run and secure the victory you ain't gonna take the risk of the pace of a jog are you?

First of all, Toei are idiots for leaving fillers in the boo arc even though they cut it down like the whole dead enemies in hell watching goku and boo fight. it's just... ugh. and Vegeta never fought Boo in the manga at base. he fought him once and that was in SSJ2. it had nothing to do with tiring himself out. the anime just added filler and was just having him be.. stupid and "buying time" but not really since he was taking Goku's place.

Vegeta did fight Boo in Base in the manga. He never transformed into SSJ after being revived.

[TheOne]

I'm not taking Zunou as proof of a plot point that hadnt been conceived at the time.

Youre implying the Super Dragon Balls are stronger than Zeno. Id bet my life they cant kill him at the very least.

It'd be more realistic to try and ask the dragon to revive everyone back and have everyone reside in the winning universe. Hopefully to help balance out the mortal level with the exempt universes

This might happen because Universe 7 only has 28 planets with life on it. Also I think the having two Zeno thing is actually a bad thing because now you have a being that can be taken out by himself. We see the difference between the two Zeno's and what happens if they both piss each other off? Bam they both can erase each other and if the Zenos are gone well guess who is free to do w.e ever he wants....

Wow. I think we just figured out how this arc is going to end haha

I definitely see a conflict between the zenos. Maybe not wiping each other out, but definitely something that'll be arc worthy! Anytime child disagree it can get violent

[omaro34]

Grand priests wife must be some kind of angelic beauty..
Or he just really likes to not pull out..

12 possible children, probably the most we will see anyone having in Dragonball

Nah he probably spits them out from an egg Namekian style, or magically creates them.

[alakazam^]

Yeah, at the very least they cant kill him. The entire tournament could have been avoided that way.

I honestly dont think that can undo anything he does though. Yes they are considered all powerful...but I just cant see it happening. Its too much of a reach.

Why is it a reach? Nothing stated has disproved they can fulfill any wish. I think you're deciding they are faulty way ahead of time. They could be but for now we don't know.

I should rephrase a little bit. I dont think the Super Dragon Balls can undo something being erased.

Why not wish back Future Trunks timeline minus Zamasu of they are truly limitless?

Because they were inactive at the time and Whis gave them a solution they went along with. Also, remember they can't gather them that easily and are useless without the language of the Gods.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Yeah, at the very least they cant kill him. The entire tournament could have been avoided that way.

I honestly dont think that can undo anything he does though. Yes they are considered all powerful...but I just cant see it happening. Its too much of a reach.

Why is it a reach? Nothing stated has disproved they can fulfill any wish. I think you're deciding they are faulty way ahead of time. They could be but for now we don't know.

I should rephrase a little bit. I dont think the Super Dragon Balls can undo something being erased.

Why not wish back Future Trunks timeline minus Zamasu of they are truly limitless?

Because they were inactive at the time and Whis gave them a solution they went along with. Also, remember they can't gather them that easily and are useless without the language of the Gods.

Whis more or less said that was the only real solution. It wasnt like they loved it. If time was an issue they still could have waited on Earth longer. I think they know how to summon him now but if not....its been done before it can be done again.

Its really silly to imagine the Super Dragon Balls can impact Zeno because its fiction level writing. Everything in this series seems limitless until we find out its extremely limited.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Sorry for the double post but I just had a thought I wanted to put out there.

Is the relationship between Beerus and Champa supposed to parallel Goku and Vegeta? Well the reverse.

Is this why Whis is so convinced they will "Never work together" because he has seen the same script play out before? It would make sense if you consider Goku and Vegeta as also being potential future Hakaioshin.