Criticism/complaining about super.

[RedHeat]

People like to complain about non-issues on here.

Ex: SSJ Grade 3 Caulifla

Kinda see why people outside the DB fandom don't like it very much tbh.

[SansrivaaL]

I wonder why some people wants a full on power of positivity, criticism/complaining about a show doesnt mean they hate it or they dislike it, they just find something lacking from what they want to see, theres nothing wrong with negativity here and there, a forum is a place for people to point out their different views and takes on a show, it exists to share opinions, not a place to lick each others ass with positivity, if negativity in a forum is enough to bother you to the point of it disturbing your way of watching the show or gives you bad vibes then a forum isnt really for you.
A lot of forums including this that talks about fictional works all gets negative feedbacks, its normal mate, it'd be more weird if theres a forum that has nothing but positive stuffs in it, I dont think I'll be able to handle that

Despite my negativity on the show (which just started shaping up when this arc started) I still like it.

People like to complain about non-issues on here.

Ex: SSJ Grade 3 Caulifla

Kinda see why people outside the DB fandom don't like it very much tbh.

Well you can expect the hardcore waifu type anime viewers to be extra pissed with her going Ascended Super Saiyan since they turned waifu into buff Hulk.

[MKJ]

Think of it like this, a lot of criticism on this forum has come from fans who have overanalyzed the series for years discussing and establishing rules about cannon, power levels, characters, etc. But the reality is that even in the original series Toriyama doesn't come across as a writer who cares about these minute details but fans have been looking over these things for years and to now realise that all their theories didn't really matter is hard for them to comprehend, despite the fact that the series never pretended to be like what they imagined it to be.
For example power levels were simply a plot device used in 2 Sagas which were then dumped and had no relevance afterwards, there were many of us who argued long before Super that fans were overanalyzing a series which in reality is really simple and there is absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying a series that is simple. Dragonball doesn't have a complex Ninja political system or complicated men powers or stands but it's simplicity is what makes it so enjoyable and that is why I continue to continue to enjoy Super.
Also don't discount the fact that there are a lot of over grown man children on this board who have nothing better to do but whine about a children's cartoon.

Well said. I love how much Super continues to step on the toes of certain things established in z(most for the better imo). I guess the writing/art/animation complaints do not register with me for the most part because that just isn't where my attention is focused. I look through it not at it. I didn't even know episode 5 was "terrible" until I read this forum. I had to go back and watch it again lol. I guess you could say it was off but I was not upset by it. IMO it wasn't any worse than early z.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Welcome to the forum bilby and I'm sorry your first thread is to be this. You are certainly not alone in feeling this way in all my 4 years I've never felt Kanzenshuu be as bad as it has now. It's getting pretty ridiculous people just overreact on every damn thing mostly on things with no context like episode titles and summaries, or the recent pic that leaked. Ridiculous.

Criticism is fine but constantly wallowing in negativity is not. I'm critical of the show don't think it's that great but I'm not wallowing in negativity

And the second main problem I have is people trying to shut down the show's success and trying to bend facts to meet their hate-filled agenda.

And the third problem I have is if people really hate the show as they claim then why not stop watching? Seems simple no? Not only that but they are then wasting time further discussing the thing they hate on a fourm. If I hate/dislike something I tend not to discuss it I wouldn't want to discuss it I don't why anyone would.

Fourth thing I think people don't understand the show is aimed at kids not them.

But the big part of the problem is that people aren't used to DB weekly show and discussing it this in depth I think where issues lie. Like how many shows do you discuss like this? I wager hardly. You'd watch an episode then maybe a comment or two and that's it until next episode.

Ultimately there is nothing you can do about this negative aura other than just ride it out, I'm cutting my time down visiting the forum just not fulfilling for me at the moment.

[Ki Breaker]

Well you can expect the hardcore waifu type anime viewers to be extra pissed with her going Ascended Super Saiyan since they turned waifu into buff Hulk.

The funny thing is, I saw those types speak up how they would love a titjob from her expanded breasts

[Shinda Forever]

I love Dragon Ball,am sick of all the negativity and I still hate this first post. Why is it that people want to police people's opinions like this? Do they think they can "Stop all negativity" by just making a post basically saying "Stop whining you whiners!" like every bit of "negativity" is "Unwarrented Whining"

It's the constant whining and negativity. Like surely you can point out some things you like in an episode or is it just all bad? If it's all garbage then why do you watch trash tv?

Who is forcing you to read negative opinions?

I get why people are negative towards it but at the same time they take everything too much into account. Like the smallest detail with the series might be off and everyone loses their minds. It's also consistently happening week after week. I think I've only seen one time where majority of posts were positive. If people can't stand super and think it ruins the DB legacy, then don't watch it. Let the real fans enjoy it.

You get what you're given and you should try to be happy with what you get.

Even if they give you a bucket with shit you should be happy with it. Good reasoning.

[PeanutSaiyan]

Welcome to the forum bilby and I'm sorry your first thread is to be this. You are certainly not alone in feeling this way in all my 4 years I've never felt Kanzenshuu be as bad as it has now. It's getting pretty ridiculous people just overreact on every damn thing mostly on things with no context like episode titles and summaries, or the recent pic that leaked. Ridiculous.

Criticism is fine but constantly wallowing in negativity is not. I'm critical of the show don't think it's that great but I'm not wallowing in negativity

And the second main problem I have is people trying to shut down the show's success and trying to bend facts to meet their hate-filled agenda.

And the third problem I have is if people really hate the show as they claim then why not stop watching? Seems simple no? Not only that but they are then wasting time further discussing the thing they hate on a fourm. If I hate/dislike something I tend not to discuss it I wouldn't want to discuss it I don't why anyone would.

Fourth thing I think people don't understand the show is aimed at kids not them.

But the big part of the problem is that people aren't used to DB weekly show and discussing it this in depth I think where issues lie. Like how many shows do you discuss like this? I wager hardly. You'd watch an episode then maybe a comment or two and that's it until next episode.

Ultimately there is nothing you can do about this negative aura other than just ride it out, I'm cutting my time down visiting the forum just not fulfilling for me at the moment.

Speaking of bending facts, I'm surprised you didn't use your infamous "nostalgia" argument here in order to delegitimize any argument that doesn't agree with you. At first "the animation wasn't so bad." Now it's "gotten better so people should stop complaining.". So which is it? And on and on with the entirety of the production.

Is the show a commercial success? Sure. but st what cost? Going forward the bar is the lowest it has been in the franchise in literally all departments from top to bottom to the point where AT stated his disappointment at how Super was handled. So if you want to blame someone for the negativity, I'd suggest you stop pointing your finger at the fans.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Welcome to the forum bilby and I'm sorry your first thread is to be this. You are certainly not alone in feeling this way in all my 4 years I've never felt Kanzenshuu be as bad as it has now. It's getting pretty ridiculous people just overreact on every damn thing mostly on things with no context like episode titles and summaries, or the recent pic that leaked. Ridiculous.

Criticism is fine but constantly wallowing in negativity is not. I'm critical of the show don't think it's that great but I'm not wallowing in negativity

And the second main problem I have is people trying to shut down the show's success and trying to bend facts to meet their hate-filled agenda.

And the third problem I have is if people really hate the show as they claim then why not stop watching? Seems simple no? Not only that but they are then wasting time further discussing the thing they hate on a fourm. If I hate/dislike something I tend not to discuss it I wouldn't want to discuss it I don't why anyone would.

Fourth thing I think people don't understand the show is aimed at kids not them.

But the big part of the problem is that people aren't used to DB weekly show and discussing it this in depth I think where issues lie. Like how many shows do you discuss like this? I wager hardly. You'd watch an episode then maybe a comment or two and that's it until next episode.

Ultimately there is nothing you can do about this negative aura other than just ride it out, I'm cutting my time down visiting the forum just not fulfilling for me at the moment.

Speaking of bending facts, I'm surprised you didn't use your infamous "nostalgia" argument here in order to delegitimize any argument that doesn't agree with you. At first "the animation wasn't so bad." Now it's "gotten better so people should stop complaining.". So which is it? And on and on with the entirety of the production.

Is the show a commercial success? Sure. but st what cost? Going forward the bar is the lowest it has been in the franchise in literally all departments from top to bottom to the point where AT stated his disappointment at how Super was handled. So if you want to blame someone for the negativity, I'd suggest you stop pointing your finger at the fans.

I think you're confused I didn't mention anything like that in my post??

And that Toriyama comment is blown completely out of proportion, it was over a year ago and he said he just found himself complaining about Super we don't know what that entailed certainly nothing to the extent of "how Super was handled".

"Lowest the franchise has been"? No that's patently false, It is a complete success it logically doesn't make any sense that it's the "lowest the franchsie has been"? It wouldn't be doing so well if it was. GT and Kai are examples of franchise low points.
They're slapping the Super logo on everything and anything that's how well Super is doing. It's just a case of haters being louder and for some reason still sticking to a show they dislike which is just mind boggling to me.

[dbs fanboy]

Welcome to Kanzenshuu. Actually , while i do think that sometimes people do overreact, i dont think that being negative is the real problem. The problem starts once that negativity is used on a personal level like actually bashing the people and not the show, or when misinfromation is being spread.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I love the show but I do think its fasir to point out its flaws.

Its like saying why point out shitty laws....in the hopes eventually something will change. Yeah its not ass serious but still.

[Lord Beerus]

It's perfectly acceptable to level criticism against Super as it has many issues that should be addressed. It's a deeply flawed show. And even some of those who may not care for the show at all would like to see it make improvements in the areas it should accordingly. As long as criticism is fair and rationale, any complaints towards the show are very much welcomed.

[bilby]

I love Dragon Ball,am sick of all the negativity and I still hate this first post. Why is it that people want to police people's opinions like this? Do they think they can "Stop all negativity" by just making a post basically saying "Stop whining you whiners!" like every bit of "negativity" is "Unwarrented Whining"

It's the constant whining and negativity. Like surely you can point out some things you like in an episode or is it just all bad? If it's all garbage then why do you watch trash tv?

Who is forcing you to read negative opinions?


No one is forcing me but if I'm on a page of the discussion of a recent episode it's really hard to escape any negative opinions. As it seems every page will be full of shit posters

[bilby]

Welcome to the forum bilby and I'm sorry your first thread is to be this. You are certainly not alone in feeling this way in all my 4 years I've never felt Kanzenshuu be as bad as it has now. It's getting pretty ridiculous people just overreact on every damn thing mostly on things with no context like episode titles and summaries, or the recent pic that leaked. Ridiculous.

Criticism is fine but constantly wallowing in negativity is not. I'm critical of the show don't think it's that great but I'm not wallowing in negativity

And the second main problem I have is people trying to shut down the show's success and trying to bend facts to meet their hate-filled agenda.

And the third problem I have is if people really hate the show as they claim then why not stop watching? Seems simple no? Not only that but they are then wasting time further discussing the thing they hate on a fourm. If I hate/dislike something I tend not to discuss it I wouldn't want to discuss it I don't why anyone would.

Fourth thing I think people don't understand the show is aimed at kids not them.

But the big part of the problem is that people aren't used to DB weekly show and discussing it this in depth I think where issues lie. Like how many shows do you discuss like this? I wager hardly. You'd watch an episode then maybe a comment or two and that's it until next episode.

Ultimately there is nothing you can do about this negative aura other than just ride it out, I'm cutting my time down visiting the forum just not fulfilling for me at the moment.

Thanks for the welcome. Yeah I like the points you are making especially when you mentioned it's a a KIDS SHOW! We have to remember this it's an animation, not a Hollywood action drama that always follows the in universe lore like avengers or anything. It's made for kids to enjoy.

Also agree with the amount of depth people discuss this with, it's ridiculous. Yeah give it a comment or two and then get on with it. The show doesn't need a full blown out review of how every episode has been garbage. You're just adding to the garbage. Oh well, hopefully people's minds will change, or they will realise after super is finished and we are left with nothing.

[Shinda Forever]

It's the constant whining and negativity. Like surely you can point out some things you like in an episode or is it just all bad? If it's all garbage then why do you watch trash tv?

Who is forcing you to read negative opinions?


No one is forcing me but if I'm on a page of the discussion of a recent episode it's really hard to escape any negative opinions. As it seems every page will be full of shit posters

You need to learn what is a democracy and deal with others opinions, for you shit posters are guys that give negative opinions about something that you will like no matter what.

[TheMikado]

You get what you're given and you should try to be happy with what you get

That would be like saying if someone served you barely cooked steak yet you should be happy with what you got despite how mediocre the food is.

That's completely different, you either pay for food and if don't then just say no to it and don't eat. You don't pay for this show and if you don't like it you don't have to watch it. Not hard to understand.

Yikes yikes yikes. This is incredibly frightening, I'm not sure if the indoctrination or the failure to understand the capitalist aspect of this are more terrifying. Please remember YOU are the product. These companies are literally SELLING YOUR undivided attention to other companies for profit. The fact that they do not feel they have to earn it and can make profit off of producing a low quality product says a lot about an individuals self worth and it's frightening that you feel WE as the audience should be happy with whatever they get when they are literally the ones making profit and selling us. I don't know about you but I don't come cheap and if you want to maintain my consistent and undivided attention and adulation then you need to earn it, especially if you're selling ME!

[bilby]

That would be like saying if someone served you barely cooked steak yet you should be happy with what you got despite how mediocre the food is.

That's completely different, you either pay for food and if don't then just say no to it and don't eat. You don't pay for this show and if you don't like it you don't have to watch it. Not hard to understand.

Yikes yikes yikes. This is incredibly frightening, I'm not sure if the indoctrination or the failure to understand the capitalist aspect of this are more terrifying. Please remember YOU are the product. These companies are literally SELLING YOUR undivided attention to other companies for profit. The fact that they do not feel they have to earn it and can make profit off of producing a low quality product says a lot about an individuals self worth and it's frightening that you feel WE as the audience should be happy with whatever they get when they are literally the ones making profit and selling us. I don't know about you but I don't come cheap and if you want to maintain my consistent and undivided attention and adulation then you need to earn it, especially if you're selling ME!

Have you stopped watching then? If it's not selling to you?

[TheMikado]

That's completely different, you either pay for food and if don't then just say no to it and don't eat. You don't pay for this show and if you don't like it you don't have to watch it. Not hard to understand.

Yikes yikes yikes. This is incredibly frightening, I'm not sure if the indoctrination or the failure to understand the capitalist aspect of this are more terrifying. Please remember YOU are the product. These companies are literally SELLING YOUR undivided attention to other companies for profit. The fact that they do not feel they have to earn it and can make profit off of producing a low quality product says a lot about an individuals self worth and it's frightening that you feel WE as the audience should be happy with whatever they get when they are literally the ones making profit and selling us. I don't know about you but I don't come cheap and if you want to maintain my consistent and undivided attention and adulation then you need to earn it, especially if you're selling ME!

Have you stopped watching then? If it's not selling to you?

I don't watch them when they release like I use to and stopped watching during the recruiting arcs. Obviously i caught up when the survival arc proper started but if I don't like how this ends I'm kinda done until an a c comes along that I'm interested in. So no, but it has certainly affected them but not watching as frequently. Not that they would notice but it still was one less viewer even if temporarily.

[Yomi]

Yikes yikes yikes. This is incredibly frightening, I'm not sure if the indoctrination or the failure to understand the capitalist aspect of this are more terrifying. Please remember YOU are the product. These companies are literally SELLING YOUR undivided attention to other companies for profit. The fact that they do not feel they have to earn it and can make profit off of producing a low quality product says a lot about an individuals self worth and it's frightening that you feel WE as the audience should be happy with whatever they get when they are literally the ones making profit and selling us. I don't know about you but I don't come cheap and if you want to maintain my consistent and undivided attention and adulation then you need to earn it, especially if you're selling ME!

As you said, all they want is for you to watch. Even if you complain; they're still earning your undivided attention. If you are truly disappointed in the quality of something, you should terminate your consumption of it. At least that's what I do.

It's customary to give things a chance, but 99 chances (literally) for something you find mediocre is a bit unheard of.

[sintzu]

It's customary to give things a chance, but 99 chances (literally) for something you find mediocre is a bit unheard of.

I think it's mediocre but it also has enough good that's keeping me coming back to it. I'm not sure I'll buy it though cause I already have the movies for the 1st 2 arcs and the manga so far has been miles ahead of the anime for me.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Welcome to the forum bilby and I'm sorry your first thread is to be this. You are certainly not alone in feeling this way in all my 4 years I've never felt Kanzenshuu be as bad as it has now. It's getting pretty ridiculous people just overreact on every damn thing mostly on things with no context like episode titles and summaries, or the recent pic that leaked. Ridiculous.

Criticism is fine but constantly wallowing in negativity is not. I'm critical of the show don't think it's that great but I'm not wallowing in negativity

And the second main problem I have is people trying to shut down the show's success and trying to bend facts to meet their hate-filled agenda.

And the third problem I have is if people really hate the show as they claim then why not stop watching? Seems simple no? Not only that but they are then wasting time further discussing the thing they hate on a fourm. If I hate/dislike something I tend not to discuss it I wouldn't want to discuss it I don't why anyone would.

Fourth thing I think people don't understand the show is aimed at kids not them.

But the big part of the problem is that people aren't used to DB weekly show and discussing it this in depth I think where issues lie. Like how many shows do you discuss like this? I wager hardly. You'd watch an episode then maybe a comment or two and that's it until next episode.

Ultimately there is nothing you can do about this negative aura other than just ride it out, I'm cutting my time down visiting the forum just not fulfilling for me at the moment.

Thanks for the welcome. Yeah I like the points you are making especially when you mentioned it's a a KIDS SHOW! We have to remember this it's an animation, not a Hollywood action drama that always follows the in universe lore like avengers or anything. It's made for kids to enjoy.

Also agree with the amount of depth people discuss this with, it's ridiculous. Yeah give it a comment or two and then get on with it. The show doesn't need a full blown out review of how every episode has been garbage. You're just adding to the garbage. Oh well, hopefully people's minds will change, or they will realise after super is finished and we are left with nothing.

That's something else I didn't mention people's conditioning has changed, we've probably seen much better shows than Dragon Ball over the years, with Super sticking to the tropes of Dragon Ball it probably sticks out more to people, for example just look at the comments people made about DBS not looking like One Punch Man.

I do think the older DB especially Z series does get "grandfather claused" I guess is the best phrase to use? By a lot of fans, just rewatching the Buu arc I am amazed at how flawed it was, never remembered it being that flawed. I'm seeing complaints for DBS making me think why the hell are you even a fan of the series in the first place.

Another thing is people still watch shitty live streams (I don't do it regularly anymore once we got the simulcast only when I can't sleep) and especially worse in Europe when it's super late in the night. I just found myself enjoying it more when I wake up fresh and not grumpy, I constantly see people say "oh this episode looks better in HD"...

You can be critical without being a negative nancy all the time it's why I stopped posting in the Manga thread I'm not enjoying it and finding myself being too negative and it's just a waste of my time and others who actually wanna discuss something.

Super just reaffirms my love for the series, it's a been a bumpy 2 years for sure but it's just crazy as an adult DB is still a big part of my life. I wouldn't be on Kanzenshuu if not for the modern DB revival starting with BoG, I wouldn't come to appreciate the original voice cast or the Kai dub. It's crazy to think like that!