Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by SaintEvolution » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:33 pm

Possible. And I hope so.

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by MR.Mark » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:37 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote: And you know, I don't even think it should go past end of Z unless they do a big time skip. I mean it would come off looking a bit pointless to go off with Oob just to have something go down that would immediately bring Goku back into the fray.
Why not? This is no different then Gohan not working out at replacing Goku as the main character. An arc show casing Goku training Uub, then leading Uub to be a strong supporting character to help Goku and the others achieve something important,then moving on to the next arc would be fine. The idea of Goku passing the torch has been dropped from the main story and I'm fine with that. Goku and Vegeta still have quite a few years of being in there prime to fight before they become old men physically anyway. So that alone can lead to many arcs past EOZ with Pan and the others etc.

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:01 pm

No. They've already made specific shout-outs to Oob, so I don't see the point of changing the ending.

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:13 pm

MR.Mark wrote:The way I see it, the only thing that seems wonky is Bulma's "five years" line. Even then, the Super writers could get creative and find some new way for Goku to train that could fuck with time some how not unlike the ROSAT to make Bulma feel like she hadn't seen him in that long.

other than that, I agree with TheGreatness25, nothing else Super has done seems to clash with EOZ, Uub included.
It's not wonky at all, for all we know Bulma's line could just be hyperbole (AKA an exageration from her part and not a fact).
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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by MR.Mark » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:30 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:No. They've already made specific shout-outs to Oob, so I don't see the point of changing the ending.
Agreed, but once they fly off together, anything happening after is fair game, there's really no need for another time skip, another arc can happen immediately.
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MR.Mark wrote:The way I see it, the only thing that seems wonky is Bulma's "five years" line. Even then, the Super writers could get creative and find some new way for Goku to train that could fuck with time some how not unlike the ROSAT to make Bulma feel like she hadn't seen him in that long.

other than that, I agree with TheGreatness25, nothing else Super has done seems to clash with EOZ, Uub included.
It's not wonky at all, for all we know Bulma's line could just be hyperbole (AKA an exageration from her part and not a fact).
Actually no, because Goku himself confirms it's been five years since he's seen her. I actually shouldn't of refer d to it as Bulma's line, as I'm pretty sure it's Goku himself that brings it up first.

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by WittyUsername » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:07 pm

Speaking of the 5 years line, where exactly does the current arc of Super fit into the timeline? The beginning of the series was said to have taken place "shortly" after the defeat of Kid Boo, but exactly how many years after the Boo arc is the current arc?

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by TheZFighter » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:36 pm

Spencer_23 wrote:Hope so. Definitely needs some changes and ideally Goku just doesn't leave with Uub randomly, end of Z was always very mediocre at best
This. The ending of Z was never all that strong to be honest so I wouldn't mind it changing.
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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by simtek34 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:10 pm

WittyUsername wrote:Speaking of the 5 years line, where exactly does the current arc of Super fit into the timeline? The beginning of the series was said to have taken place "shortly" after the defeat of Kid Boo, but exactly how many years after the Boo arc is the current arc?
This might help:

Age 774: End of Majin Boo arc, Everybody forgets about Boo thanks to Shenlong,
Age 775??(Unsure): Son Goku gets 100,000,000 Zenie from Mr. Satan
Age 776: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!
Age 778: Battle of Gods
Age 779: Resurection ‘F’, Champa arc, Future Trunks arc
Age 784: End of Dragon Ball

So presumably, the Tournament of Power arc takes place in Age 780. Which leaves 4 years before the 28th Budokai, and the End of Dragon Ball.

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by Daisetsu » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:13 pm

If Super does reanimate EoZ, I would love to see them use the Kanzenban ending.

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by WittyUsername » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:30 pm

simtek34 wrote:
WittyUsername wrote:Speaking of the 5 years line, where exactly does the current arc of Super fit into the timeline? The beginning of the series was said to have taken place "shortly" after the defeat of Kid Boo, but exactly how many years after the Boo arc is the current arc?
This might help:

Age 774: End of Majin Boo arc, Everybody forgets about Boo thanks to Shenlong,
Age 775??(Unsure): Son Goku gets 100,000,000 Zenie from Mr. Satan
Age 776: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!
Age 778: Battle of Gods
Age 779: Resurection ‘F’, Champa arc, Future Trunks arc
Age 784: End of Dragon Ball

So presumably, the Tournament of Power arc takes place in Age 780. Which leaves 4 years before the 28th Budokai, and the End of Dragon Ball.
Goten and Trunks are gonna go through one hell of a growth spurt then. :roll:

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by LordCrumb » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:51 am

By the end of Super, Whis will turn back time further, and erase peoples memories..

No Beerus, no SSJ God/Blue..

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by Spencer_23 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:13 am

LordCrumb wrote:By the end of Super, Whis will turn back time further, and erase peoples memories..

No Beerus, no SSJ God/Blue..

Could see this. I was thinking this or something like wishing Beerus didn't wake up or whatever.

The absence of SSG intro allows people to deal with end of Z and even keep GT to an extent

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:43 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:No. They've already made specific shout-outs to Oob, so I don't see the point of changing the ending.
That's the problem. Now Vegeta and Dende already know about Oob.

Vegeta was completely unaware of him in Z, and Dende learned at the tournament.
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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by MR.Mark » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:16 am

But did Vegeta and Dende know what Uub looked like and that he'd be at the tournament? I'll have to check the manga again.

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by Zeru14 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:21 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:No. They've already made specific shout-outs to Oob, so I don't see the point of changing the ending.
That's the problem. Now Vegeta and Dende already know about Oob.

Vegeta was completely unaware of him in Z, and Dende learned at the tournament.
That's the anime's the screw up, in the manga, Uub has not been mentioned, therefore Toyotaro is keeping the original anime/manga ending where no one knew of Uub(except Goku) intact.

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by MainJPW » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:40 am

LordCrumb wrote:By the end of Super, Whis will turn back time further, and erase peoples memories..

No Beerus, no SSJ God/Blue..
..And then U7 eventually gets erased by Zen'O.

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by mute_proxy » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:41 am

Toyotaro outright said that they will catch up to the end of Z.

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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by GreatSaiyaJeff » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:09 am

So why do a lot of fans assume Super retcons the end of Z? Nothing at the end of contradicts what's happening in Super. Just because they don't mention the events doesn't mean it hasn't happened. They are focusing on Uub, so there is no point in talking about what happened a few years back with Beerus or Zamasu.
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Re: Will end of Z be retconed in Super?

Post by Metalwario64 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:57 am

GreatSaiyaJeff wrote:So why do a lot of fans assume Super retcons the end of Z? Nothing at the end of contradicts what's happening in Super
Both Vegeta and Dende know about Uub, and that he's a reincarnation of Buu, and they have no idea who he is in Z.

Apparently it's an anime problem though.
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