"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Post by TheDipDap1234 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:46 pm

perucho1990 wrote:第11宇宙の5人の戦士達が悟空、カリフラ達に襲い掛かる!敵の特殊能力に苦戦する悟空だったが、そこへ17号、18号も駆けつける!はたして勝負の行方は!?

http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/dragonball ... index.html

Could someone please give a full translation of this? I used google translate and said that 17 and 18 will rescue Goku,Caulifla and Kale from the Pride Troopers.
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"5 warriors of U11 attack Goku and Caulifla.
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Post by Lionel » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:54 pm

"Unique skills"? Interesting... I would be curious to learn what that entails. Are we speaking in terms of Guldo's paralysis arts and Time Stop? Babidi's magic? Something more specific would be appreciated as Goku would have to limit himself for these abilities to be effective. Otherwise, they must bypass power levels.

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Post by Jigurashi » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:03 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Some nice SSGSS promotional artwork:
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Those are nice. It's always hilarious looking at how muscular Jiren is compared to most others in Super, he's also in a lot of promotional material. isn't there a recent new promotional artwork showing all of U7 with the addition of Jiren fighting Goku? The guy is (understandably) promoted in everything right now.
He also has a fair few merchandise too and was one of the first one's from this new arc, he and Bergamo just had a keychain figure released in Japan this week. And Of course him being plastered all over the OP since Feb! They really are pushing Jiren well harder than Hit.
Indeed they are, which is why I expect Goku VS Jiren to be amazing.

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Post by omaro34 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:15 pm

Lionel wrote:"Unique skills"? Interesting... I would be curious to learn what that entails. Are we speaking in terms of Guldo's paralysis arts and Time Stop? Babidi's magic? Something more specific would be appreciated as Goku would have to limit himself for these abilities to be effective. Otherwise, they must bypass power levels.
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Post by precita » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:22 pm

I'm glad 18 and especially 17 are finally getting some action. Thankfully they should be safe from being knocked out for a while because Tenshinhan hasn't gone out yet.

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Post by TheDipDap1234 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:23 pm

Lionel wrote:"Unique skills"? Interesting... I would be curious to learn what that entails. Are we speaking in terms of Guldo's paralysis arts and Time Stop? Babidi's magic? Something more specific would be appreciated as Goku would have to limit himself for these abilities to be effective. Otherwise, they must bypass power levels.
I'm also interested to know what their special skills will be.

By the way, according to Ken Xyro we will most likely get episode titles for the umcoming episodes of August this week, and summaries for those episodes next week.
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Post by Lionel » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:37 pm

TheDipDap1234 wrote:
Lionel wrote:"Unique skills"? Interesting... I would be curious to learn what that entails. Are we speaking in terms of Guldo's paralysis arts and Time Stop? Babidi's magic? Something more specific would be appreciated as Goku would have to limit himself for these abilities to be effective. Otherwise, they must bypass power levels.
I'm also interested to know what their special skills will be.

By the way, according to Ken Xyro we will most likely get episode titles for the umcoming episodes of August this week, and summaries for those episodes next week.
Really? That sounds great. I'm curious to see what the timeline of progression for the tournament will be like. Perhaps we'll see some indication on who's eliminated next and which universe may be erased.

Omaro: Are you being sarcastic? I understand such a prediction has little to no hope of panning out. In fact, I would be astonished if Piccolo ever overtook the original golden forms again. The desire for Piccolo to reclaim his viability just doesn't seem to exist in the collective minds of Toriyama, Toyotaro and Toei.

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Post by Lord Frieza » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:48 pm

Lionel wrote:"Unique skills"? Interesting... I would be curious to learn what that entails. Are we speaking in terms of Guldo's paralysis arts and Time Stop? Babidi's magic? Something more specific would be appreciated as Goku would have to limit himself for these abilities to be effective. Otherwise, they must bypass power levels.
Well aside from Jiren and Toppo, most Pride Troopers seem to have a gimmick that gives them their nickname. Dyspo is the Sonic Warrior, implying either great speed or sound based attacks, possibly both. Kahseral is the Slashing Warrior and as seen, he's a ki blade specialist. Vuon I've taken to calling the Lashing Warrior (fan name by me) due to his Ki Whip.

This likely applies to them all and while may specialize in unique ki attacks, there are bound to be at least one or two with paranormal or magical abilities. The little one with horns seems like a likely candidate for such weird abilities.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:10 pm

I don't get why people have such an issue with Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale transforming into Super Saiyans so easily. It does look ridiculous at first, but sit and think for a while. They are not three barely-trained little kids like Goten & Trunks, who were special because they are Saiyan/Earthling Halflings, they are three trained Saiyan prodigies, and Cabba & Caulifla are probably the strongest base Saiyans in Universe 6. The Saiyan of Universe 6 are also stronger than the Saiyans of Universe 7, seeing that they are no longer born with tails, most likely because they didn't face extinction twice so their generations progressed more than the Universe 7 Saiyans (who first lost Planet Sadal and then Planet Vegeta). Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan had to train their asses to transform into Super Saiyans & beyond because Super Saiyan has a required battle power. Cabba & Caulifla are far above the required level to become Super Saiyan & even Super Saiyan 2, because they have already trained their asses in the past, and this is obvious from the fact that they can give some trouble to Vegeta & Goku respectively while in the same form. That's also why Gotenks could go up to Super Saiyan 3 so easily, he was more than strong enough thanks to the unnatural high battle power he possessed. Base Kale is also very strong as well according to Caulifla, she just has a pathetic personality. And as for why they never transformed in the past during all their battles, Goku & Vegeta are two of the strongest mortal fighters in their universe just in their base form, and without any SSG power. Seeing Cabba was selected back for U6/7 tournament and he didn't have Super Saiyan, the base Saiyans of Universe 6 are probably at the top as well, so the strong ones probably haven't fought anyone strong enough to make them transform, and they also fight in teams (Cabba said he has fought alongside with Frost), so that makes the situation for them to transform even harder to appear.

TL;DR, Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale are fully-trained grown ups & prodigies who are already more than strong enough to transform, not little inexperienced kids. No, Raditz won't be able to transform by making his back tingle, because he is a weakling.
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Post by GodKaio-Ken » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:24 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I don't get why people have such an issue with Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale transforming into Super Saiyans so easily. It does look ridiculous at first, but sit and think for a while. They are not three barely-trained little kids like Goten & Trunks, who were special because they are Saiyan/Earthling Halflings, they are three trained Saiyan prodigies, and Cabba & Caulifla are probably the strongest base Saiyans in Universe 6. The Saiyan of Universe 6 are also stronger than the Saiyans of Universe 7, seeing that they are no longer born with tails, most likely because they didn't face extinction twice so their generations progressed more than the Universe 7 Saiyans (who first lost Planet Sadal and then Planet Vegeta). Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan had to train their asses to transform into Super Saiyans & beyond because Super Saiyan has a required battle power. Cabba & Caulifla are far above the required level to become Super Saiyan & even Super Saiyan 2, because they have already trained their asses in the past, and this is obvious from the fact that they can give some trouble to Vegeta & Goku respectively while in the same form. That's also why Gotenks could go up to Super Saiyan 3 so easily, he was more than strong enough thanks to the unnatural high battle power he possessed. Base Kale is also very strong as well according to Caulifla, she just has a pathetic personality. And as for why they never transformed in the past during all their battles, Goku & Vegeta are two of the strongest mortal fighters in their universe just in their base form, and without any SSG power. Seeing Cabba was selected back for U6/7 tournament and he didn't have Super Saiyan, the base Saiyans of Universe 6 are probably at the top as well, so the strong ones probably haven't fought anyone strong enough to make them transform, and they also fight in teams (Cabba said he has fought alongside with Frost), so that makes the situation for them to transform even harder to appear.

TL;DR, Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale are fully-trained grown ups & prodigies who are already more than strong enough to transform, not little inexperienced kids. No, Raditz won't be able to transform by making his back tingle, because he is a weakling.
Super Saiyan doesnt have a required battle power. I dont believe this has ever been stated anywhere.
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Post by perucho1990 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:27 pm

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Well aside from Jiren and Toppo, most Pride Troopers seem to have a gimmick that gives them their nickname. Dyspo is the Sonic Warrior, implying either great speed or sound based attacks, possibly both. Kahseral is the Slashing Warrior and as seen, he's a ki blade specialist. Vuon I've taken to calling the Lashing Warrior (fan name by me) due to his Ki Whip.

This likely applies to them all and while may specialize in unique ki attacks, there are bound to be at least one or two with paranormal or magical abilities. The little one with horns seems like a likely candidate for such weird abilities.
I was rewatching the Pride Troopers scene from episode 85 and comparing it to the preview.

The aura that was surrounding Caulifla and Kale is probably Dyspo because in episode 85 he used a Ki sword that had similar color(purple), in the previews.. I think that was Dyspo was using his great footwork and fast movement to create it.

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Post by Akyon » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:52 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: TL;DR, Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale are fully-trained grown ups & prodigies who are already more than strong enough to transform, not little inexperienced kids. No, Raditz won't be able to transform by making his back tingle, because he is a weakling.
(Snipped your comment a bit for brevity's sake)

I don't recall many people saying they liked Goten and Trunks instantly getting SSJ either though. In fact I seem to remember even in universe Vegeta points out how bullshit it is when he's disgusted it's become a child's plaything.

At the same time, I see people call the girls out because Caulifla is magically leaping through these levels at such an unbelievably fast pace and Kale seems like she's completely inexperienced as a fighter and very untrained until she gets her super boost to Berserker mode.

Not sure if anyone cares(at least anymore) that Cabba, the singular hand selected U6 Saiyan by Vados from a planet of powerful super heroes for the initial tournament, was able to learn the basic SSJ form through the traditional anger trigger and by being taught by Vegeta first hand how to unlock it. Obtaining SSJ at this stage is so common, I really wouldn't be surprised if Raditz and Nappa actually COULD obtain it if they were brought back.

...and if not they can always just gather in a fricking friendship circle to unlock SSJ God anyway.
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Post by Dragonballgod19 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:58 pm

Akyon wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote: TL;DR, Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale are fully-trained grown ups & prodigies who are already more than strong enough to transform, not little inexperienced kids. No, Raditz won't be able to transform by making his back tingle, because he is a weakling.
(Snipped your comment a bit for brevity's sake)

I don't recall many people saying they liked Goten and Trunks instantly getting SSJ either though. In fact I seem to remember even in universe Vegeta points out how bullshit it is when he's disgusted it's become a child's plaything.

At the same time, I see people call the girls out because Caulifla is magically leaping through these levels at such an unbelievably fast pace and Kale seems like she's completely inexperienced as a fighter and very untrained until she gets her super boost to Berserker mode.

Not sure if anyone cares(at least anymore) that Cabba, the singular hand selected U6 Saiyan by Vados from a planet of powerful super heroes for the initial tournament, was able to learn the basic SSJ form through the traditional anger trigger and by being taught by Vegeta first hand how to unlock it. Obtaining SSJ at this stage is so common, I really wouldn't be surprised if Raditz and Nappa actually COULD obtain it if they were brought back.

...and if not they can always just gather in a fricking friendship circle to unlock SSJ God anyway.
Nappa and raditz already have ssj in db heroes nappa literally has ssj3 not kidding

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Post by Boo Machine » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:06 pm

Dragonballgod19 wrote: Nappa and raditz already have ssj in db heroes nappa literally has ssj3 not kidding
True, and as hilarious as that looks on him, to be fair Heros pretty much does whatever it want's, so it more or less gets away with it do to being one of the many video games that likes to play with different scenarios.

But if it happened in Super I'd imagine there would be a lot more blowback.
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Post by Dragonballgod19 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:14 pm

Boo Machine wrote:
Dragonballgod19 wrote: Nappa and raditz already have ssj in db heroes nappa literally has ssj3 not kidding
True, and as hilarious as that looks on him, to be fair Heros pretty much does whatever it want's, so it more or less gets away with it do to being one of the many video games that likes to play with different scenarios.

But if it happened in Super I'd imagine there would be a lot more blowback.
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Post by Boo Machine » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:17 pm

Dragonballgod19 wrote: Heroes is basically fan service the game
Pretty much.

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Boo Machine wrote:
Dragonballgod19 wrote: Heroes is basically fan service the game
Pretty much.

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Post by Noah » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:28 pm

GodKaio-Ken wrote:Super Saiyan doesnt have a required battle power. I dont believe this has ever been stated anywhere.
Unfortunately, I think you're right.

Once I had this headcanon that one must have the same battle power that Goku had before facing Freeza to become a SSJ, but there are indications that Future Trunks was weaker than that and yet became a SSJ.
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Post by shadowmaria » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:34 pm

A friend of mine had a thought

What if time isn't actually passing in the World of Void? ignoring Hit's timeskip working

What I mean is what if when our villians, Team Universe 7 return to Earth, no time has passed since they left? :eh:

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Post by TysonWine » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:09 pm

shadowmaria wrote:A friend of mine had a thought

What if time isn't actually passing in the World of Void? ignoring Hit's timeskip working

What I mean is what if when our villians, Team Universe 7 return to Earth, no time has passed since they left? :eh:
Errr the tournament is only 48 minutes. I'm sure it will feel like no time has passed when it's all said and done. It's not like when they get back, Goten and Trunks will be adults and Marron will have a child of her own lol.

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