Is u7 overpowered

[precita]

I feel the characters they want to be the focus (Jiren, Toppo, Kale, Ribrianne) they made strong. Everyone else just seems gimmicky to me. We have people that freeze, poison, have claws, can fly with wings, etc.

Well, as it should be. If everyone was overpowered there'd be no tournament. If U7 has weaker characters like Roshi, Tenshinhan, Krillin, etc. around, I don't know why people didn't expect the same for all the others.

[BWri]

To answer the topic directly, Yes. It's that simple. People are saying the other universes are weak, but that's relative. When you think about the natural progression of universal power, Namek saga Frieza would be at the top of the totem pole. Then somehow Buu came to be, whether naturally or unnaturally, but he raised the bar far beyond what it should've been, being a nasty eldritch abomination and all. If any of the ToP fighters even reached Buu saga levels they should be considered strong and many seem to have reached that tier of power. Our mid tier, Piccolo, is most likely mid to high tier Buu saga level or even beyond for all we know. That's completely ridiculous. From Gohan on up is God tier and that's like 5 fighters. They even gave Roshi a crazy powerup before the tournament started. This thing is completely off balance and heavily tilted towards U7, but the highest tiers are game changers so people like Hit, Jiren, and Toppo balance it a lil better because they can wipe out anyone who's not Goku, Vegeta, or Frieza with little effort. I'm curious to see if U2, U3, U4, or U10 have anything like that.

[IKevinX]

Not really. I think it's just what I was supposed to be.
We literally have characters that are on the same realm as the Gods of Destruction and everytime that happens, the gods themselfs act surprised, meaning it isn't an easy task to accomplish, no matter how many universes there are.
Not to mention they had very little time to round up all the fighters so it's not weird to assume there isn't someone like Kale or Caulifla from the other universes that couldn't be found on time for the TOP.

Dude literally any of the 6 members from u7 could one shot Caulifla and kale literally

I meant as in, nothing keeps the creators from creating characters that can be stronger. Just because they aren't in this tournament doesn't mean they don't exist.
I used those two as an example because this isn't the first time we see U6.

[Tombstone1988]

I don't think it's so much that Universe 7 is overpowered as it is Toei is mismatching fighters. So many of the "fights" in the tournament thus far have been the stronger characters of Universe 7 (Goku, Vegeta, the androids) taking out the fighters from other universes with little to no effort. If you've been following the thread here on "Tournament of Power Eliminations," you'll notice that 30 of the 32 current eliminations have been from Universe 6 and Universe 7. Things just feel inflated and skewed toward our universe because Toei decided to have weaklings (fodder, essentially) take on god-level characters.

[precita]

I don't think it's so much that Universe 7 is overpowered as it is Toei is mismatching fighters. So many of the "fights" in the tournament thus far have been the stronger characters of Universe 7 (Goku, Vegeta, the androids) taking out the fighters from other universes with little to no effort. If you've been following the thread here on "Tournament of Power Eliminations," you'll notice that 30 of the 32 current eliminations have been from Universe 6 and Universe 7. Things just feel inflated and skewed toward our universe because Toei decided to have weaklings (fodder, essentially) take on god-level characters.

Even so, aside from Roshi/Tien/Krillin, it does seem like everyone else in U7 could just about dominate everyone else in the tournament besides the very strongest fighters like Jiren/Toppo/Hit, etc.

[KingKaash]

I made a thread about this before the ToP started. I stated that Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, Android 17 and Gohan were all on or very near God tier (meaning being able to stand hits from SSJB) and all the other 8 Universes only had 3 fighters on this level which are Hit, Toppo, and Jiren. Well now I can add Kale to that list. But that's it. 4 fighters that can really compete with the heavyweights of U7. Back then people told me that they would make characters who are capable but so far I haven't seen much of anyone good enough to keep up with those five heavyweights from U7. My concern was that because of the power these five have, the tournament would be rather lopsided. And it kinda has so far considering U7's heavyweights have even needed to go all out against any of the fighters

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

No. All the other universes are severely underpowered.

This, pretty much. They had the best excuse to make extremely powerful fighters: completely different universes with completely new characters with completely unknown backgrounds and methods of getting stronger. Yet they chose to make everyone weak. And not only that, instead of matching those characters up with the humans or the weaker characters, they end up matching them up with Goku and Vegeta's base or Super Saiyan forms or some of the stronger U7 characters instead.

But why shouldn't the other universes have a range of power/weaknesses? Never at the start of ToP did I expect every member of each universe to be in the top tier range in strength and ability.

And perhaps even characters who are more able than they seemed weren't as sharply minded during the start of the tournament. After all, they are responsible for their universe surviving. Multiple things to consider.

[Zeno's button]

I think the only strong characters will be Jiren, Toppo, Dyspo, Hit and maybe Frost if he can transform into Golden form. But the strong ones will be so strong that only Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Frieza will stand a chance.

[JulianStyles]

What Universe this show takes place in? That should answer your question.

[MrBlackFox]

Basically, as someone said in this topic, other are underpowered
For me, biggest delusion so far is the jobbing of characters who seems very strong and dangerous, like Pride troopers or magical girls
Hell, even Toppo now looks like a weak idiot

[TheOne]

I don't see why you people are complaining so much.

If you're all that pissed they're so strong, be pissed at Trunks. Things were never meant to go this far and they weren't ever supposed to Be this powerful. That's the whole premise of this freaking tournament.

You have a bottom of the barrel universe with the second to lowest Mortal Level dominating the tournament.

You people for some reason are unable to look farther ahead. The mortal level for all these universes are really low. Hence why they're hosting a tournament to get rid of all the weak universes! It's pretty freaking clear that the universes that are exempt are the ones who have the most powerful fighters overall. There's a good chance that someone as strong as Frieza in the Namek Saga could be the average fighter over there. They even have a guy there stronger than it's God of Destruction.

I'm just sick of people complaining about how OP U7 is... They've had a lot of events happen that should never of happened. Goku bumping his head. Trunks changing the future etc. Stop getting mad because the universe you grew up watching just happens to have a handful of powerful fighters (2 which were created/modified).

[Duo]

I posted this earlier and I think this should really be taken into consideration when complaining about U7s strength. Their situation is not natural. They were plagued with events that were not normal and they had a handful of people progress/created at a rate completely out of the ordinary for their mortal level. It all started when Goku bumped his head in Dragon Ball.

If you think about it, the strongest person in U7 would've been Frieza or Buu. They would NOT have survived this long if that were the case. If this tournament was held while Goku didn't make an appearance, then U7 truly would've been one of the first ones out. It's all due to Goku and Vegeta that everyone Is this strong.

I think U7 overpowering everyone due to being the second lowest mortal level is a testimony that their "mortal level" ratings might be flawed. If we are going based off of tonight's episode, we can now say that mortal level and strength are definitely linked. This another reason why I think the Grand Priest had taken a liking to Goku and his universe. We've heard him commend their universe and expressed his jealousy about them. They are the clear favorites.

Instead of complaining about them being OP, why not feel happy about the universe we all grew up watching actually turn out to be something special?

There are still other universes out there that are exempt from this tournament. It's clear that the REAL fighters belong in those universes. Try looking ahead instead of what's in front of you.

This was exactly the point I was going to attempt to make until I saw that you beat me to it. Great post.

[OLKv3]

Every fight so far has been the same in the ToP. Quirky new character shows up, does some weird ability while the U7 heavy hitters are holding back. They dominate the episode showing off their abilities. Then the hero stops playing around and effortlessly stomps them. It's kinda getting old at this point

[Doctor.]

No. All the other universes are severely underpowered.

This, pretty much. They had the best excuse to make extremely powerful fighters: completely different universes with completely new characters with completely unknown backgrounds and methods of getting stronger. Yet they chose to make everyone weak. And not only that, instead of matching those characters up with the humans or the weaker characters, they end up matching them up with Goku and Vegeta's base or Super Saiyan forms or some of the stronger U7 characters instead.

But why shouldn't the other universes have a range of power/weaknesses? Never at the start of ToP did I expect every member of each universe to be in the top tier range in strength and ability.

And perhaps even characters who are more able than they seemed weren't as sharply minded during the start of the tournament. After all, they are responsible for their universe surviving. Multiple things to consider.

But they don't have a range of power. Everyone is extremely weak, with a handful being God tier, that's it. You don't have characters of varying strengths, it's either super weak or super strong.

[Lord Beerus]

Yes and no.

There are still a lot of fighters left, and many of which we haven't see fight. That being said, Universe 7 have certainly been cleaning when they really throw down. It really all comes down to their mortal level as well, when you think about it. Universe 7 was poorly managed, and because of this, a lot shit happened in hat universe that didn't happen in other universe. TheOne makes an excellent point about this.

The main cast of Universe 7 had to constantly prepare themselves for the next upcoming threat, and because of this, were granted so many shortcuts in getting very strong (Training with Kami, training with King Kai, the ROSAT, the Gravity Machine) and learned many techniques to give them the edge in battle that most other universes wouldn't have even heard of (Pretty much every technique Roshi and Tien know).

I mean, Goku and Vegeta only got as strong as they have because of the big unconditional favors they get from the Gods of their universe. I mean, Goku wouldn't have achieved getting as strong as he did in the Saiyan arc or the Majin Boo arc if the literal God of Death himself didn't grant him the major favor of allowing to keep his body in death so he could train. And Vegeta would have become a SSJB if Whis didn't throw him a bone and train him just because he gave him some tasty food. And that not even taking in consideration of how monstrously strong Android 17 and 18 are by default, and the fact they can get even stronger in training.

[Lionel]

I don't think it's so much that Universe 7 is overpowered as it is Toei is mismatching fighters. So many of the "fights" in the tournament thus far have been the stronger characters of Universe 7 (Goku, Vegeta, the androids) taking out the fighters from other universes with little to no effort. If you've been following the thread here on "Tournament of Power Eliminations," you'll notice that 30 of the 32 current eliminations have been from Universe 6 and Universe 7. Things just feel inflated and skewed toward our universe because Toei decided to have weaklings (fodder, essentially) take on god-level characters.

Even so, aside from Roshi/Tien/Krillin, it does seem like everyone else in U7 could just about dominate everyone else in the tournament besides the very strongest fighters like Jiren/Toppo/Hit, etc.

Well apart from the "dominate everyone" specific of your post, there's no reason for this proposition to not be capable of applying to the humans as well. Several different courses of action could be taken for them to defeat even the upper echelon of the tournament if they had the good sense to try. What holds them back is insensible hesitation to use what they know to overcome such opponents.

More than anything else, Universe 7 is overexposed. As others have pointed out, they're responsible for a good majority of eliminations that have taken place in the last six episodes. It's as though the studio is either incapable of allowing the other universes to act on their own merit or they fear public feedback might be harsh for not including at least one or two members of U7 into the mix. I for one am growing tired of both them and Universe 6. More original exploration is to be had with the remaining five universes than there is with Universe 7 claiming yet another victory for themselves, usually at the hands of the two Saiyans or the cyborgs as of late.

Do I believe Universe 7 is overpowered? Well two members of its roster possess the Ki of gods. Another wields power comparable to both of the aforementioned figures with another having a long-living reputation for near limitless potential. The others seem to be more or less in the same dimensional frame as the competition. When you think about it, the conditions giving Goku and Vegeta the advantage are transformations -- without them they're as vulnerable as the Pride Troopers. Now imagine how worse off they would be without God Ki. If anything, I'm more incredulous about how Toppo, Hit, and Jiren are each rivaling these characters. Kale is another horrendous debacle.

[Dragonballgod19]

I don't think it's so much that Universe 7 is overpowered as it is Toei is mismatching fighters. So many of the "fights" in the tournament thus far have been the stronger characters of Universe 7 (Goku, Vegeta, the androids) taking out the fighters from other universes with little to no effort. If you've been following the thread here on "Tournament of Power Eliminations," you'll notice that 30 of the 32 current eliminations have been from Universe 6 and Universe 7. Things just feel inflated and skewed toward our universe because Toei decided to have weaklings (fodder, essentially) take on god-level characters.

Even so, aside from Roshi/Tien/Krillin, it does seem like everyone else in U7 could just about dominate everyone else in the tournament besides the very strongest fighters like Jiren/Toppo/Hit, etc.

Well apart from the "dominate everyone" specific of your post, there's no reason for this proposition to not be capable of applying to the humans as well. Several different courses of action could be taken for them to defeat even the upper echelon of the tournament if they had the good sense to try. What holds them back is insensible hesitation to use what they know to overcome such opponents.

More than anything else, Universe 7 is overexposed. As others have pointed out, they're responsible for a good majority of eliminations that have taken place in the last six episodes. It's as though the studio is either incapable of allowing the other universes to act on their own merit or they fear public feedback might be harsh for not including at least one or two members of U7 into the mix. I for one am growing tired of both them and Universe 6. More original exploration is to be had with the remaining five universes than there is with Universe 7 claiming yet another victory for themselves, usually at the hands of the two Saiyans or the cyborgs as of late.

Do I believe Universe 7 is overpowered? Well two members of its roster possess the Ki of gods. Another wields power comparable to both of the aforementioned figures with another having a long-living reputation for near limitless potential. The others seem to be more or less in the same dimensional frame as the competition. When you think about it, the conditions giving Goku and Vegeta the advantage are transformations -- without them they're as vulnerable as the Pride Troopers. Now imagine how worse off they would be without God Ki. If anything, I'm more incredulous about how Toppo, Hit, and Jiren are each rivaling these characters. Kale is another horrendous debacle.

Yeah and champa even said without goku and vegeta universe7 is easy to beat which is probably true and what gives goku,vegeta and Freeza advantages is that they have multiple forms

[TheOne]

I posted this earlier and I think this should really be taken into consideration when complaining about U7s strength. Their situation is not natural. They were plagued with events that were not normal and they had a handful of people progress/created at a rate completely out of the ordinary for their mortal level. It all started when Goku bumped his head in Dragon Ball.

If you think about it, the strongest person in U7 would've been Frieza or Buu. They would NOT have survived this long if that were the case. If this tournament was held while Goku didn't make an appearance, then U7 truly would've been one of the first ones out. It's all due to Goku and Vegeta that everyone Is this strong.

I think U7 overpowering everyone due to being the second lowest mortal level is a testimony that their "mortal level" ratings might be flawed. If we are going based off of tonight's episode, we can now say that mortal level and strength are definitely linked. This another reason why I think the Grand Priest had taken a liking to Goku and his universe. We've heard him commend their universe and expressed his jealousy about them. They are the clear favorites.

Instead of complaining about them being OP, why not feel happy about the universe we all grew up watching actually turn out to be something special?

There are still other universes out there that are exempt from this tournament. It's clear that the REAL fighters belong in those universes. Try looking ahead instead of what's in front of you.

This was exactly the point I was going to attempt to make until I saw that you beat me to it. Great post.

I'm glad there's a fellow rational thinker on this post haha

[Lord Beerus]

I posted this earlier and I think this should really be taken into consideration when complaining about U7s strength. Their situation is not natural. They were plagued with events that were not normal and they had a handful of people progress/created at a rate completely out of the ordinary for their mortal level. It all started when Goku bumped his head in Dragon Ball.

If you think about it, the strongest person in U7 would've been Frieza or Buu. They would NOT have survived this long if that were the case. If this tournament was held while Goku didn't make an appearance, then U7 truly would've been one of the first ones out. It's all due to Goku and Vegeta that everyone Is this strong.

I think U7 overpowering everyone due to being the second lowest mortal level is a testimony that their "mortal level" ratings might be flawed. If we are going based off of tonight's episode, we can now say that mortal level and strength are definitely linked. This another reason why I think the Grand Priest had taken a liking to Goku and his universe. We've heard him commend their universe and expressed his jealousy about them. They are the clear favorites.

Instead of complaining about them being OP, why not feel happy about the universe we all grew up watching actually turn out to be something special?

There are still other universes out there that are exempt from this tournament. It's clear that the REAL fighters belong in those universes. Try looking ahead instead of what's in front of you.

This was exactly the point I was going to attempt to make until I saw that you beat me to it. Great post.

I'm glad there's a fellow rational thinker on this post haha

I also agree with your point, TheOne. The context of how Universe 7 changed is so far from the the norm compare to other universes. I mean, Universe 7 having the second lowest mortal rating out the entire multiverse actually brilliantly reflects that. Shit happened Universe 7 that really shouldn't have happened and had an extensional effect on the growth of the main cast in terms of personality, but so much more so in the strength department. Stuff like Raditz finding Goku on Earth and Freeza and his army going to Namek were all freak accidents that had a major affect on the perspective of Universe 7. And then are incidents like the Android being activated and Majin Boo being resurrected, that didn't need to happen but the main cast let it happen anyway. And in the latter case, the deliberately allowed the Androids to be activated so they could challenge themselves.

And as I mentioned before, the main cast of Universe 7 had to constantly prepare themselves for the next upcoming threat, and because of this, were granted so many shortcuts in getting very strong (Training with Kami, training with King Kai, the ROSAT, the Gravity Machine) and learned many techniques to give them the edge in battle that most other universes wouldn't have even heard of (Pretty much every technique Roshi and Tien know). And Goku and Vegeta only got as strong as they have because of the big unconditional favors they get from the Gods of their universe. I mean, Goku wouldn't have gotten as strong as he did in the Saiyan arc or the Majin Boo arc if the literal God of Death himself didn't grant him the major favor of allowing to keep his body in death so he could train. And Vegeta would have become a SSJB if Whis didn't throw him a bone and train him just because he gave him some tasty food.

Universe 7 are so not like any Universe in the Tournament Of Power. They are so ahead of the curve when you think about it. But it's only through sheer good fortune and coincidence that it the case.

[TheOne]

This was exactly the point I was going to attempt to make until I saw that you beat me to it. Great post.

I'm glad there's a fellow rational thinker on this post haha

I also agree with you point, TheOne. The context of how Universe 7 changed is so far from the the norm compare to other universes. I mean, Universe 7 having the second lowest mortal rating out the entire multiverse actually brilliantly reflects that. Shit happened Universe 7 that really should't have happened and had extensional effect on the growth of the main cast in terms of personality, but so much more so in the strength department. Stuff like Raditz finding Goku on Earth and Freeza and his army going to Namek were all freak accidents that had a major affect on the perspective of Universe 7. And then are incidents like the Android being activated and Majin Boo being resurrected, that didn't need to happen but the main cast let it happen anyway. And in the latter case, the deliberately allowed the Androids to be activated so they could challenge themselves.

And as I mentioned before, the main cast of Universe 7 had to constantly prepare themselves for the next upcoming threat, and because of this, were granted so many shortcuts in getting very strong (Training with Kami, training with King Kai, the ROSAT, the Gravity Machine) and learned many techniques to give them the edge in battle that most other universes wouldn't have even heard of (Pretty much every technique Roshi and Tien know). And Goku and Vegeta only got as strong as they have because of the big unconditional favors they get from the Gods of their universe. I mean, Goku wouldn't have gotten as strong as he did in the Saiyan arc or the Majin Boo arc if the literal God of Death himself didn't grant him the major favor of allowing to keep his body in death so he could train. And Vegeta would have become a SSJB if Whis didn't throw him a bone and train him just because he gave him some tasty food.

Universe 7 are so not like any Universe in the Tournament Of Power. They are so ahead of the curve when you think about it. But it's only through sheer good fortune and coincidence that it the case.

I completely forgot about the ROSAT. That itself is a huge advantage. U7 always seem to take the road that's most difficult. For example, you need to travel to one side of the mountain to the other. The logical way would be to take the train that goes through the mountains. But Goku and company decide to go to the top of the mountain and back down. While it's a stupid decision, walking over the mountain has a more physical challenges and you become stronger because of it.

This could also be a reason why U6 Saiyans haven't discovered SSJ prior to meeting Goku and company. Not because they look for the easy way out, but because they didn't have the kind of trials that they did. I'm hoping the U6 Nameks have a similar situation. Like a transformation that U7 Nameks never knew. Nameks being the warrior race in U6 as opposed to U7 Nameks being the peaceful race would be a nice trade off.

Anyways back on topic. I hope people can at least find a reason to stop complaining about this tournament. There's more to come after this arc.